Gun Legislation

[Stinger]

Yep. Declare victory and crow about imaginary ass-whuppins. Predictable as sunrise.

He seems kind of bush league compared to Pantywaist62.

Just sayin.

[Stinger]

You made a factually incorrect statement when you said that scopes and tripods effect a "weapon's accuracy". You got so hung up on trying to disprove the fact, that no matter what cosmetic accessory is added the weapons mechanical operation does not change. You screwed up, I caught you, and proved you an idiot.

If someone makes one technically false statement, he or she is an idiot? Wow. Must be a tough world you live in . . . or do you not apply the same standard to yourself?

[Mad American]

Vrede you want to get back to guns, or are you just going to continue with more of your usual bullshit? I'm betting on the latter because you can't handle the defeat.

Loved how you try to twist your stance on tyranny. I could care less about high capacity mags. I don't need them and don't have them. However, if a free law abiding citizen WANTS them then they should be able to get them. It was you who compared them to children and toys...tyrant!

[Mad American]

Vrede you want to get back to guns, or are you just going to continue with more of your usual bullshit? I'm betting on the latter because you can't handle the defeat.

That's you that's been defeated and can't man up about it.

You have a rich fantasy life...keep dreaming

like you are from your belief in the 100% perfection of the CCP vetting,

The question was your ignorance of the process, and it has been proven again

the challenge, the question, your stupid definitions of "cosmetic", "press" and "EFFECTIVE",

Not my problem you are firearms ignorant and your "extant hardware" argument applies to all but the 2nd amendment is just as stupid

your moderator/first officer flub,

If I were more like you I'd simply call you a liar

your call for censorship,

only way you are getting me out of this conversation

your misquotes,

says the forum pro at the tactic. Whats the matter don't like your own medicine?

your changing "operational effectiveness" to "mechanical operation"

I know the difference, and have drawn clear distinctions, between the two. You are proving your firearms ignorance again.

and your "machine gun" and other lies about what I have posted.

one of your favorite tactics....can't take it..don't dish it out

Run away, child, run away.

You'd like that wouldn't you?

Another lie, you just can't help yourself. We were specifically discussing high capacity mags when you started your wingnutty screeching about tyranny. No "twist" there, you just lost track, again, or you're lying, again.

Yes we were and I said that law abiding citizens should have the freedom to purchase them if they want. You then likened free law-abiding citizens to children who have what they can or cant' have dictated to them. So it is you who lie and support tyranny. Love how you are now blatantly lying to cover your ass

They have four purposes - police, military, crime or rapid fire target shooting - which makes them, you guessed it, just toys for non-criminal civilians.

Firearms ignorance again. However, if a free law abiding citizen wants one they should be able to get it.

Right, every nation with stricter laws is a tyranny. As always, by being so goofy, dishonest, irresponsible and so, so frightened you make a better case for gun control than I ever could.

Your position on freedom has already been exposed.

Childish vulgarity, as usual. Go play with your toys and cosmetics until the adults restrict them. Then cry.

No substance to the argument so childish insults is all vrede has

[Mad American]

Tell you what grow a pair instead of running away - like you are from your belief in the 100% perfection of the CCP vetting...

The question was your ignorance of the process, and it has been proven again

Another lie! "The question" was your claim that it's already 100% perfect so citizen awareness could not possibly improve it. It was way silly and irrelevant since everyone but you knows that no data collection/reporting/compilation system is perfect.

Run away, child, run away.

Lying bastard.....the original question to you was did you even know what was involved in the CCP process. You did not, were proven a dumbass, and then you started the spin about my claim. LIAR

The 2nd amendment mentions hardware while your other examples do not. You're still running away from your stupid definitions of "press","cosmetic", and "EFFECTIVE".

You can not have one apply to modern day hardware and one not idiot. The Constitution is a whole document you can't cherry pick it.

your moderator/first officer flub,

If I were more like you I'd simply call you a liar

If you were more like me, you'd man-up for your flubs and lies.

We'll see if you man up for lying about the CCP question. For some reason I doubt it.

your call for censorship,

only way you are getting me out of this conversation

As stated, you want a wet nurse.

No, you need one this time. I'm enjoying watching you prove to everyone here just what you are.

your misquotes,

says the forum pro at the tactic. Whats the matter don't like your own medicine?

Another lie! I do edit out unnecessary stuff, but I don't misquote like you do. Big of you to admit that you've been lying, though. Now, grow a pair and quit doing it.

All I do is edit out "unnecessary stuff" as well. Plus we all know you lie now...in fact your "childish vulgarity" edits prove it.

your changing "operational effectiveness" to "mechanical operation"

I know the difference, and have drawn clear distinctions, between the two. You are proving your firearms ignorance again.

Of course there's a difference. However, the issue is your lame attempt to misstate the subject because you're too cowardly to admit how loony your "cosmetic" claim was.

Nice of you finally admit there is a difference. Still don't change the fact that you are too ignorant on the subject to understand it.

and your "machine gun" and other lies about what I have posted.

one of your favorite tactics....can't take it..don't dish it out

Another lie! I have not lied once about what you posted as you have about my posts. Big of you to admit that you've been lying, though. Now, grow a pair and quit doing it.

Whatever, you are so weak that you're now blaming me for your dishonesty.

Grow a pair yourself and admit that you have and are getting your ass handed to you on a platter on the subject of guns.

Run away, child, run away.

You'd like that wouldn't you?

Whoosh! I didn't mean leave, you're already running away from all your posted ignorance, the challenge, the question, your stupid definitions, your flubs, and your deceptive substitution of terms.

No need to run from your ignorance....your stupidity is not my problem. However watching you try to dig out of your hole is great fun. PLEASE keep trying

Another lie, you just can't help yourself. We were specifically discussing high capacity mags when you started your wingnutty screeching about tyranny. No "twist" there, you just lost track, again, or you're lying, again.

Yes we were and I said that law abiding citizens should have the freedom to purchase them if they want. You then likened free law-abiding citizens to children who have what they can or cant' have dictated to them. So it is you who lie and support tyranny. Love how you are now blatantly lying to cover your ass

I love how you double down on stupid! I was correct about the topic at the time, you weren't, and the question is about opinions here - yours that toy limitation is tyranny, mine that you're a wingnut for it - no alleged facts to be "lying" about or not.

Sure there are.....you are lying about who injected a restriction of freedom on law abiding citizens. It was you, I called you on it, then you doubled down on that...LIAR

They have four purposes - police, military, crime or rapid fire target shooting - which makes them, you guessed it, just toys for non-criminal civilians.

Firearms ignorance again.

Claim without being able to offer an iota of support.

This whole thread is more than adequate support for that claim

However, if a free law abiding citizen wants one they should be able to get it.

Any toy at all? Dumb.

Deflection. We are discussing large capacity magazines. Please pay attention and try to keep up.

Right, every nation with stricter laws is a tyranny. As always, by being so goofy, dishonest, irresponsible and so, so frightened you make a better case for gun control than I ever could.

Your position on freedom has already been exposed.

You have a rich fantasy life.

Another tired used up comeback when your own words have been shoved back up your sorry ass.

Childish vulgarity, as usual. Go play with your toys and cosmetics until the adults restrict them. Then cry.

No substance to the argument so childish insults is all vrede has

It was a response to your childish insult, dummy. You fail comprehension, again.

My entire tone and tactic in this thread has been in response to your childish insults in every thread you engage in. You've failed comprehension, for the last several pages!

[Mad American]

You stupid mother fucker I'm not "screwing up the format" I'm tying to reduce the size of your endless quote and post bullshit. However one can't hep but notice that you are still obsessed with formatting, and anything else, other than the subject of guns where you are getting your ass kicked. Still lying about the CCP question too I see. You had no position on the data collection/reporting/compilation system until I told you about it, because you DID NOT KNOW IT WAS USED. Keep lying about it though...some folks might start to believe you. You can keep cherry picking The Constitution if you want, most people who agree with tyranny do. However, the Supreme Court disagrees with you. Lying on the censorship issue as well I see. I'm not calling for it in any way. I'm just pointing out that I bet you wish some one would apply a little now. It's the only way I'm leaving this time So you are lying and denying that you posted the words "I'm enjoying watching Mittens as POTUS". Run back now and edit that post....that is if you haven't already. You can keep posting your ignorant "run away" shit too for all I care because I aint leaving. Furthermore, I'm right here and willing to discuss any of the issues regarding the guns you want to. I've already decimated your ignorant ass with facts regarding guns and I'm simply enjoying watching your prove just what you are. That's the only reason I'm sticking with your tit for tat. It's proving just what you are. Now, you run away chickenshit, run away from the issue at hand, which is guns and post more of your usual deflecting lies and strawmen.

Ah hell.....just for the fun of it. Now, deny you posted the Mittens comment, you lying son of a bitch:

The thing is that you haven't found any factual errors I've made. You've imagined a bunch and lied about others.

Everything you have posted has been factually inaccurate. Just because you THINK it true does not make it so.

Find us two, don't run away. This should be good.

The proposal is to ban some guns, not ban guns. You fail even the simplest English again, no nuts.

Yes, the proposal is to ban the "bad" guns, but you just admitted that a gun is an inanimate object so what makes it bad?

What makes a box cutter on an airplane "bad"? It's an inanimate object.

Same lie. It ain't "cosmetic" if it makes the shooting better.

Iron sights aid the shooter, post and peep aid the shooter, a scope aids the shooter but it doesn't affect the weapon. Keep trying to twist out of it but you have been proven a moron. Please continue this is fun.

You are so thick, I never said anything other than that the ultimate, shot and shooter, effectiveness was enhanced. As everyone commenting on it has said, your "cosmetic" is goofy and you're just too much of a wuss to admit it. It's getting sad and disturbing.

They "WANT to" because it makes their shooting more effective. Back to your stupid lie about it only being "cosmetic" like painting a gun pink is "cosmetic".

So now more shells makes the "shooting more effective" LMAO You really are an idiot. The most EFFECTIVE and ACCURATE guns on the market are single shot breech loaders and 5 shot bolt actions that do NOT accept external magazines.

You are so thick, "EFFECTIVE" depends on what the situation is. Everyone knows it's a dependent, not an absolute, word. Really, everyone. Your examples aren't worth beans in a wrestling match and "ACCURATE" is less important across a school classroom or behind the firing line at a shooting range.

Honestly, your obsession with your compensations does not make you expert on law, definitions, logic, history, comprehension, or sensible expression.

Nice dodge though.

That's you, dodging for page after page your stupid definition of "cosmetic".

We know how you feel about freedom!

Children don't have the freedom to play with any toy they want.

There's quite a bit of evidence that you are nascarfan88. Your claim to "rarely carry" is the very first somewhat believable (given how consistently dishonest you are) evidence that you aren't. He is so, so proud of always carrying even around his house and in places where it's not wanted and is illegal to do so. This is the first post I've seen where you haven't sounded just like him.

Your opinions are not evidence....you really should seek therapy!

Oh, it's so much more evidence than that. But, the really funny thing is that I just made an argument supporting the opinion that you're not nascarfan88 and you said I'm ill for doing so. (wait for it folks, this will take him awhile to figure out)

Not at all, it's funny to me what a baby you are.

Says the person that can not debate without insults, taunts, and snark....especially when getting beaten like a cheap drum. I'd say the pot is calling the kettle black.

You entered this tangent calling me ignorant, quit whining.

I didn't quote him for the questions, you fail comprehension again. As I clearly have said several times our case re your "cosmetic" stupidity is one in the same save the difference in "tone" that you whine about. He's still ridiculing you. Notice yet?

Just gotta keep on. Thats OK.....I'm enjoying watching you implode.

I'm enjoying watching Mitten as POTUS.



Childish vulgarity, as usual.

You mucked up the format, I'll fix it for you.

4 new lies, plus the predicted running away from all the prior ones.

With such cowardly irresponsibility you make a better case for controlling the gun freaks like you than I could ever hope to.

Oh...ouch....the pain how many more times you gonna trot out that tired old line?

As often as you run away from your "machine gun", etc. lie, and then add new ones. You are so pitiful I find it highly entertaining to point it out.

Not nearly as entertaining as watching your flounder around and try to get your head above water long enough to get a breath. Your drowning in your own ignorance and your over inflated ego will not allow you to see it.

You have a rich fantasy life.

Still ducking your "machine gun" lie about what I posted. We can all see you cowering.

With such ignorance you make a better case for abortion AND mandatory sterilization than any libtard could.

Ragin' Rebel? That would be too, too funny if you've been to cowardly to admit it since joining. If so, you know it.

No comment? Interesting.



Childish vulgarity, as usual.

Just giving what I get....if it is childish vulgarity I learned it form you.

Another lie, I'm pretty sparing with it. Either way, the funny thing is that you're blaming me for your behavior.

Childish vulgarity, as usual.

[Mad American]

Sell that BULL SHIT somewhere else you sorry bastard. EVERYONE here knows that POTUS stands for President Of The United States. I paraphrased your statement and you lied about posting it.

You are still deflecting, worrying about formatting and anything other than guns.

I know it is killing you not being able to get the last word so please make another of your idiotic asinine posts finding ANYTHING that you can pick apart in order to attempt to get the last word. Or we can go back to guns and you can keep getting your clock cleaned. Either way you are continuing to prove just how pathetic your actual existence truly is.

[rstrong]

EVERYONE here knows that POTUS stands for President Of The United States.

POTUS (Politics of the United States) is a Sirius XM Radio channel featuring political talk radio.

[Mad American]

The posts are there for all to read, and they can plainly see that I never called for banni to sanction you. I was poking fun at your pitiful existence by showing just how much you wish someone would sanction ME. You are boxed in a corner and can't get out without being a hypocrite, we already know you lie like a rug. I'm surprised you haven't used your moderator powers, banned me, and just lie about it. Heaven knows you lie about everything else. You let your alligator mouth over ride your jaybird ass when you kept complaining about what happened at BRN....the hilarious part is your never thought someone would finally stand up to your bullshit, and now that I have you can't do a damn thing about it unless you want to be proven the hypocritical whiny weasel you are.

The CCP discussion is still there as well (unless you have edited it). It plainly shows that I asked you if you knew what was involved in the CCP process. It was only after o'really and I began discussing the records check from the mental institutions that you opened your mouth. Why then? Because you were ignorant to the process, and only after it was mentioned did you think you had an opening to inject your ignorant ideas.

Funny, I have not seen a single post from o'really that says "I agree with vrede". You have a rich fantasy life. Again, why don't you just shut your cum dumpster and let o'really discuss things for himself.

I'm really sorry that you are still do dense to grasp the concept of cosmetic aftermarket accessories for firearms. However, it is making for great entertainment watching you flounder your way through. Funny, how you keep proving yourself an ignorant dumbass all in the effort to stroke your overinflated ego by getting the last word.

[Mad American]

The posts are there for all to read, and they can plainly see that I never called for banni to sanction you.

Another lie!

...you truly are an ignorant dumbass and should be removed from the post...

I was speaking in the terms of "sanctions" being disciplinary in nature due to post content. However I did post that. If you consider being removed from a position due to incompetence as a sanction so be it.

I was poking fun at your pitiful existence by showing just how much you wish someone would sanction ME.

Another lie! I've never called for it and have told you over and over that I like having you represent the gun freaks.

Whoosh! To stupid to get the "translation" that I posted at the beginning of that original statement

You are boxed in a corner and can't get out without being a hypocrite, we already know you lie like a rug.

Your many, many lies are there for all to read. You have not been able to cite one of my supposed ones. Every time you try it turns out to just be you lying again.

No matter how much you want to believe it...telling a lie numerous times does no make it true.

I'm surprised you haven't used your moderator powers, banned me, and just lie about it.

Again, dummy, I don't know if I can. You are only surprised because it's something you would do. I have the ethics and belief in free speech that you don't.

Again, if you are INCOMPETENT as to your powers you should be removed from the position. Call that a request for sanctions if you want.

Heaven knows you lie about everything else.

Your many, many lies are there for all to read. You have not been able to cite one of my supposed ones. Every time you try it turns out to just be you lying again.

They are there for all to see. I don't have to keep pointing them out....In fact there is one just a few lines below

You let your alligator mouth over ride your jaybird ass when you kept complaining about what happened at BRN....

I did indeed object to the sanctions there that you are now calling for to be implemented here. So?

I'm not calling for sanctions....I'm just pointing out that I bet you wish someone would sanction me. However, if you want to consider being removed from a position due to incompetence as sanctions so be it.

the hilarious part is your never thought someone would finally stand up to your bullshit,

That's stupid, way stupid. I've been arguing with folks in these forums for years, and probably wouldn't be here if not for that. It's funny that you consider all the cons, and a few libs, that I've debated to be nobodies that you are superior to.

The front page speaks for itself. You operate by shouting down and insulting your competition into giving up just like you are trying to do in this thread.

and now that I have you can't do a damn thing about it unless you want to be proven the hypocritical whiny weasel you are.

You have a rich and paranoid fantasy life. Quit being such a whiny weasel, I like having you represent the gun freaks.

Then prove you are the bigger man and drop out of this thread.

The CCP discussion is still there as well (unless you have edited it). It plainly shows that I asked you if you knew what was involved in the CCP process.

And I said it is a stupid question that could only be asked by someone who thinks that the process is 100% perfect and cannot be aided by informed citizens. Is it that you are really too stupid to get this or that you're too cowardly to admit how stupid your question was?

Doesn't change the fact that your were proven an ignorant dumbass on the process

It was only after o'really and I began discussing the records check from the mental institutions that you opened your mouth.

Another lie, a really big one! You had not mentioned "records check from the mental institutions" in this thread once, not once, until I posted the article about keeping CCP records public on page 7. Busted again, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

We can all see that you don't have an honest bone in your body, but what makes you a true idiot is that you think you won't be caught.

True, I had not mentioned "records checks from mental institutions" (convenient use of quotes). I had however eluded to them in conversation with o'really. Why do you start lying in order to avoid being proven an even bigger dumbass!

Why then?

Whoosh! Too stupid to realize I was speaking of why wait until after O'really and I started discussing records checks to inject your ignorant ideas.

Because, as I clearly linked, fool, there was a day-old HT-N article about the Commissioners considering a resolution calling for the CCP records to be made secret. You've completely lost track, again.

Because you were ignorant to the process, and only after it was mentioned did you think you had an opening to inject your ignorant ideas.

The process is not 100% perfect, citizens can aid it, you are an idiot.

Deflection.....had I not mentioned it you would still be ignorant to the fact that records requests are even part of the process.

Funny, I have not seen a single post from o'really that says "I agree with vrede".

Nope, just the same exact arguments, which you ran away from, stating how incredibly stupid your "cosmetic" definition is, as I said.

Then why do you keep lying and saying O'really agrees? Are you just reaching hoping that o'really will throw a life ring into the pool of ignorance you are drowning in. It is hilarious that you simply can not shut your mouth and let o'really speak for himself.

Run away, child, run away.

Yep, so your MO can remain intact. Bet you would like that wouldn't you??

You have a rich fantasy life. Again, why don't you just shut your cum dumpster

Childish vulgarity, as usual.

Must be horrible not to have the ability to think up a decent comeback. Instead just keep trotting out the same old line

and let o'really discuss things for himself.

Another lie! I have mentioned and quoted what he said, not spoken for him. And, when he does post:

BTW, we all saw how you lied about my 'speaking for O Really', how you whined about how he should speak for himself, how you said you'd discuss with him, and how you ran away without comment from almost all of his posts when he came back and restated his views in agreement with mine.
http://blueridgedebate.com/viewtopic.ph ... &start=220
Brave American.

Run away, child, run away.

Continuing to tell a lie does not make it more true. I have replied to o'really when he responds. However, with your incessant need to get the last word this thread has probably lost interest to everyone else.

I'm really sorry that you are still do dense to grasp the concept of cosmetic aftermarket accessories for firearms.

As you've admitted, the ones you stupidly call "cosmetic" do affect the shooter's ability depending on the situation and thus can't be merely "cosmetic". We can all see that you're too big of a wuss to admit that you chose your word poorly even though you've made a much bigger fool of yourself in the process. Thank you.

Dumbass! One more time...take the Ruger 10/22. Swap the wood stock for synthetic..still a 10/22. Swap the synthetic stock for a folding stock and heat shield....still a 10/22. Add a Tasco Tactical scope...still a 10/22. Swap the Tasco tactical for an ACOG...still a 10/22. Finally, add a tripod and...you guessed it....IT IS STILL A 10/22.

However, it is making for great entertainment watching you flounder your way through.

You have a rich fantasy life.

Maybe, but everyone else here is watching you flounder too.

Funny, how you keep proving yourself an ignorant dumbass all in the effort to stroke your overinflated ego by getting the last word.

Being smarter, better informed, more responsible, more honest and more accountable than you ain't much to brag about.

Then why the constant need to attempt to prove it. Your fragile ego will not allow you leave a conversation. You simply must have the last word.



Childish vulgarity, as usual.

There is that tired line again. Really you should work on expanding your vocabulary

5 new lies. What a dufus!

Telling lies often enough does not make the true. What a dumbass!

[bannination]

Guys guys, I think we're missing the point here. (Picks up and puts on Moderator glasses.)

If we want to prevent this happening again we've got to come up with solutions. So far Mad American has only provided a moving definition of the words assault rifle, that's fine, I think the way it is defined currently it is a bit blurry. That however is not a problem, it's not like the true definition we're after can't be made. Yes guns can be modded after the fact as well, and we can include that in the definition, and while can't be strictly controlled, making a law against mods that has a very high penalty when caught with one can significantly reduce their proliferation.

I think Mad American has you (Vrede) caught up in semantics.

So the real question in my opinion is, what do the proponents for gun rights have to offer that will help these horrible situations from happening? *Or* do we just accept these situations as par for the course to protect our rights to bare arms? I guess these questions are particularly aimed at Mad American.

Dancing over vocabulary and semantics, and whether or not a scope or tripod makes you more accurate is completely besides the point and it's a distraction.


(Thanks, and no I haven't read those big walls of texts, but I imagine if the question was answered the thread wouldn't still be going.)

[Boatrocker]

. . . So the real question in my opinion is, what do the proponents for gun rights have to offer that will help these horrible situations from happening?

So far, I have heard nothing from them that amounted to more than, "More guns, more places, at all times." Wording varies, but that's the only message that seems to be getting out from that side of the issue. I will offer no solution, as I am still in the sample-and-hold phase of my analysis.

Disclaimer FWIWIA- I own four guns, which I clean more often than I shoot. I do not subscribe to the repeal of the 2nd, but I do believe that "well-regulated militia" carries at least as much weight as "not be infringed."

[bannination]

Still no denial, interesting. Still too cowardly to tell us what his former handle/s were.

There are no "former handles". I was Mad American on BRN, I just did not post much there.

You have delusions...

So do you. Apparently you see folks who must have whipped your candy ass before behind ever tree.

Another lie, each of those posts also addressed the subject.

You are the one so worried about formats and other BS not me.

Indeed, it would look like I was running away, like you are from the challenge, the question, your stupid definitions of "cosmetic", "press" and "EFFECTIVE", and your "machine gun" and other lies about what I have posted.


The irony here is that it's Mad American that is now posting attacks that are entirely devoid of topical discussion. (wait for it folks, this will take him awhile to figure out)

I've already shoved your ignorance regarding guns, a weapons accuracy, a shooters effectiveness, and your idiotic idea that only certain amendments were based on extant hardware so far up your ass you should see it when you brush that tooth.

"first officer" has nothing to do with being a moderator, it's a post tally designation. You are ignorant, again.

Yep, heaven knows you got the market cornered on post numbers. Funny thing though.....you had "first officer" LONG before your post numbers got so high. Are we being just a tad dishonest.

I'm not sure whether I can or not. I can alter or delete your posts, though. But I don't, unlike you I am honest and have ethics. That's why I, and others including at least one con, have been trusted with the responsibility.

Bullshit, you know exactly what you can and can't do as a moderator. If you don't then you truly are an ignorant dumbass and should be removed from the post.

I would, but that's not the reason I'm not like the BRN wet nurse. You have a rich fantasy life.

I can't whine to bannination and have him do it either.

I'm not like you weak and whiny con crybabies.

Translation: I wish banni would just do it. That way I can save a little face!

You have a rich fantasy life. I think it's great that you're making such a thorough case for gun control.

Translation: I'm out of witty comebacks so I'll use the same old one again.

Childish vulgarity, as usual.

Idiotic ramblings as usual.

[/quote]


Ignorance is bliss I guess. If I'd seen this post when it was made I would have addressed it earlier... lol





Has the number of posts changed for the required rank? They might of, I have no idea, I've changed a lot of stuff while settling in. More importantly the rank has nothing to do with anything other than a title, but whoop.

Be thankful Vrede isn't Captain yet.


I mean come on "Super Poster", I never even finished what I started, that should be at least Lieutenant Commander or something.

[Mad American]

More point by point bullshit, wasting forum space but here are a couple of my favorites:

Again, dummy, I don't know if I can. You are only surprised because it's something you would do. I have the ethics and belief in free speech that you don't.

Again, if you are INCOMPETENT as to your powers you should be removed from the position. Call that a request for sanctions if you want.

You fail English again. It would be "INCOMPETENT" if I could do it, wanted to, and was unable to. Instead, it's voluntary ignorance because I have no intention of banning anyone. It's amazing how dense you are to even the simplest of concepts.

So vrede admits ignorance!

Dishonest diversion, as usual. The subject is your delusion that you're the only one to "finally stand up to" me.

Says the person with over THREE THOUSAND posts in a forum that is roughly four and a half months old, and has 25 out of 60 final posts on just the first two pages in "general discussion". Sounds like my description of your pitiful existence is spot on.

That would be self-defeating. You'd be less likely to so poorly represent the gun freaks by posting, then. Logic much?

Translation: I must have the last word my fragile ego and enormous post count will not allow otherwise!

Whoosh! Too stupid to realize I was speaking of why wait until after O'really and I started discussing records checks to inject your ignorant ideas.

The same lie, repeated. You had not posted about it at all until I introduced the topic to this thread.

Now that is a great spin.


As you've admitted, the ones you stupidly call "cosmetic" do affect the shooter's ability depending on the situation and thus can't be merely "cosmetic". We can all see that you're too big of a wuss to admit that you chose your word poorly even though you've made a much bigger fool of yourself in the process. Thank you.

Dumbass! One more time...take the Ruger 10/22. Swap the wood stock for synthetic..still a 10/22. Swap the synthetic stock for a folding stock and heat shield....still a 10/22. Add a Tasco Tactical scope...still a 10/22. Swap the Tasco tactical for an ACOG...still a 10/22. Finally, add a tripod and...you guessed it....IT IS STILL A 10/22.

Dishonest diversion, as usual. "IT IS STILL A 10/22" that has been modified to make the shooting more effective in given situations, and thus has not been altered just cosmetically. Paint it pink and that would be a "cosmetic" change.

Once again vrede demonstrated outright pathetic ignorance on the subject of firearms. The weapon has not been altered no matter what is added or taken away the example weapon is still a 10/22. Vrede's ignorance on the subject was proven when he stated that the "weapon's accuracy" is effected. There is no change to the weapon other than in appearance.

Just a few of vrede's latest ramblings in regard to his continued efforts to swim out of the deep end of the ignorance pool. Unfortunately, and yet again, he was unsuccessful.

[Mad American]

So the real question in my opinion is, what do the proponents for gun rights have to offer that will help these horrible situations from happening? *Or* do we just accept these situations as par for the course to protect our rights to bare arms? I guess these questions are particularly aimed at Mad American.

I have said repeatedly that the NICS check system needs better access to current mental health records for sales carried out by licensed dealers for one. Penalties for gun crime need to be greatly increased including more use of the death penalty, and carrying out death sentences in a more expedient manner for another. There are currently about 50 gun laws already on the books, yet these incidents keep happening. What makes anyone think that the 51st law restricting guns will be the magic one and stop gun crime.

Look at Chicago, home to some of the most stringent gun control laws in the nation and yet has one of the highest gun crime rates. It is time that the focus is shifted from the OBJECTS that are being used in crime, to the PEOPLE that are committing the crime. After all, if we are truly concerned with CRIME why are we not focusing on OBJECTS with the much higher usage rate in crime rather than just guns?

[Wneglia]

U.S. #1 in gun ownership
but
#28 in gun homicides.

If we reduce gun ownership, will we move up the list?

[Mad American]

Another lie! the weapon has been altered even though it remains a 10/22.

If it has been altered then how is it still a 10/22. :-0?> You fail firearms 101 and logic.

Vrede's ignorance on the subject was proven when he stated that the "weapon's accuracy" is effected.

Another lie! You know that I was referring to the end result, shot and shooter, accuracy.

As I explained a WEAPON'S ACCURACY is inherently built in and is dependent on many factors. In fact the WEAPON'S accuracy is mechanically determined by machines. What is pathetic is you are trying to blame me for your firearms ignorance and poor choice of words.

There is no change to the weapon other than in appearance.

Another lie! The changes to the weapon make the shooter more effective in a given situation.

No vrede the WEAPON has stayed the same. Same action, same caliber, same bore, EVERYTHING is the same...except appearance. Firearms fail again and still trying to blame me.

You chose your word, "cosmetic", poorly and you're too big of a wuss to admit it even though you're still making a much bigger fool of yourself in the process. Thank you.

Since the rest was just more whiny attack from vrede I deleted and did not waste time responding.

Besides it's too much fun showing just how big of a firearms dumbass vrede is!

[Mad American]

...Penalties for gun crime need to be greatly increased including more use of the death penalty, and carrying out death sentences in a more expedient manner for another...

We don't trust the government to always get it right as much as you do, liberal.

"The Government" does not determine guilt or innocence. That is done by a jury of our peers, numbnuts. Now you are proving ignorance on our justice system as well.

[Boatrocker]

. . . That is done by a jury of our peers, numbnuts.

I do not count "numbnuts" among MY peers. You are, of course free to associate with whom you wish.

[bannination]

So the real question in my opinion is, what do the proponents for gun rights have to offer that will help these horrible situations from happening? *Or* do we just accept these situations as par for the course to protect our rights to bare arms? I guess these questions are particularly aimed at Mad American.

I have said repeatedly that the NICS check system needs better access to current mental health records for sales carried out by licensed dealers for one. Penalties for gun crime need to be greatly increased including more use of the death penalty, and carrying out death sentences in a more expedient manner for another. There are currently about 50 gun laws already on the books, yet these incidents keep happening. What makes anyone think that the 51st law restricting guns will be the magic one and stop gun crime.

Look at Chicago, home to some of the most stringent gun control laws in the nation and yet has one of the highest gun crime rates. It is time that the focus is shifted from the OBJECTS that are being used in crime, to the PEOPLE that are committing the crime. After all, if we are truly concerned with CRIME why are we not focusing on OBJECTS with the much higher usage rate in crime rather than just guns?

I certainly agree with more regulation of mental health records, however, even here in NC, you have to be cleared by a doctor to conceal carry. I know several people of whose doctor would not give them an ok. What did they do? Shop around for a doctor that would.

The death penalty is hardly a deterrent, and doing it more expediently is just going to get more innocent people executed, not to mention cost tax payers more money than just locking them up in the first place.

Chicago has relaxed it's gun laws quite a bit, but even when they were strict most guns used in murders weren't purchased in Chicago. They shopped elsewhere as well. That situation could probably change if it were a national law.

No one is saying one magic law will solve everything, straw man. If fact any laws that we introduce now probably wouldn't see great effect for many many years from now.