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Wired: DHS Watchdog OKs ‘Suspicionless’ Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border

Back in 2008 the Bush II administration announced that Homeland Security was granting itself the right to seize and search laptops, cell phones and other electronics, anywhere within 100 miles of the nation's borders - for any reason whatsoever. No grounds for suspicion was needed. The coastlines are considered borders.

According to legal precedent, the Fourth Amendment - the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures - does not apply along the border. (Again, including the coasts.) This puts the majority of the American population outside the protection of the Fourth Amendment.

The Obama administration followed up with virtually the same rules a year later. Between 2008 and 2010, 6,500 persons had their devices searched.

In 2009 the DHS announced that it would conduct a “Civil Liberties Impact Assessment” of its policy "within 120 days." More than three years later, the results are in: Suspicionless search-and-seizure is just peachy-keen.

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Gets you right here, don't it?
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You have to wonder why it's easier to get people stirred up over a fairy tale of gun "confiscation" than to get them interested in something real and much more individually dangerous. Maybe we could start the story that the 100-mile Constitution-Free zone applies to the Second as well as the Fourth.

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rstrong wrote:Image

Wired: DHS Watchdog OKs ‘Suspicionless’ Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border

Back in 2008 the Bush II administration announced that Homeland Security was granting itself the right to seize and search laptops, cell phones and other electronics, anywhere within 100 miles of the nation's borders - for any reason whatsoever. No grounds for suspicion was needed. The coastlines are considered borders.

According to legal precedent, the Fourth Amendment - the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures - does not apply along the border. (Again, including the coasts.) This puts the majority of the American population outside the protection of the Fourth Amendment.

The Obama administration followed up with virtually the same rules a year later. Between 2008 and 2010, 6,500 persons had their devices searched.

In 2009 the DHS announced that it would conduct a “Civil Liberties Impact Assessment” of its policy "within 120 days." More than three years later, the results are in: Suspicionless search-and-seizure is just peachy-keen.
Meanwhile the terrorists smuggle anything they want in using..... smarter methods.

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Vrede wrote:The one bright side - DHS will join us in laughing at the gay search history and all those pics of drag queens stored on homerfobe's computer. I wonder what else is there?
Not stored on my computer. I get them the same place you all get your cute little pics to post. Ever hear of a search engine?
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Downloads "not stored" :lol: :lol:

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O Really wrote:Downloads "not stored" :lol: :lol:

Yep, boy is he in for a shock. I wonder how much gay stuff he looked up before he found the pictures he wanted to use! :lol:

I can see it now, "Those aren't mine!", "I didn't save those!".

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bannination wrote:
O Really wrote:Downloads "not stored" :lol: :lol:

Yep, boy is he in for a shock. I wonder how much gay stuff he looked up before he found the pictures he wanted to use! :lol:

I can see it now, "Those aren't mine!", "I didn't save those!".
Maybe he thinks "delete" means "delete" :lol:
Hey, Homo - the only way to get that gay stuff off your machine is to reformat the hard drive. Here's how you do it, depending on what version you have: Click "Start" "Run" and enter "cmd" . Then enter Format C:
Don't back up anything before doing that though, or all the gay stuff will infest the back-up. Re-formatting is your only answer. You'll get spyware on that machine from the gay searches, they'll send you more pics and offers, and eventually you'll hit on a worm that will use your email to send out gay stuff to your contacts. Opps. Better re-format now. We'll wait for you to get back.

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O Really wrote:
bannination wrote:
O Really wrote:Downloads "not stored" :lol: :lol:

Yep, boy is he in for a shock. I wonder how much gay stuff he looked up before he found the pictures he wanted to use! :lol:

I can see it now, "Those aren't mine!", "I didn't save those!".
Maybe he thinks "delete" means "delete" :lol:
Hey, Homo - the only way to get that gay stuff off your machine is to reformat the hard drive. Here's how you do it, depending on what version you have: Click "Start" "Run" and enter "cmd" . Then enter Format C:
Don't back up anything before doing that though, or all the gay stuff will infest the back-up. Re-formatting is your only answer. You'll get spyware on that machine from the gay searches, they'll send you more pics and offers, and eventually you'll hit on a worm that will use your email to send out gay stuff to your contacts. Opps. Better re-format now. We'll wait for you to get back.
You forgot to warn him about the flash cookies from all those videos.

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And check out where the drones are flying:

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You guys seem to be in the clear ... for now.

Some 81 new entities have applied for drone permits, most being public entities. LINK
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Did you know you can buy your own drone at the hobby store? This one sells for $299 WITH HD video camera. You can fly it from your smart phone and share your videos on Facebook.

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I guess giving up a few Constitutional rights is worth it as long as we keep out a few more of those pesky Messkins. Or another attack from Osama bin Gomez. :roll:

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O Really wrote:I guess giving up a few Constitutional rights is worth it as long as we keep out a few more of those pesky Messkins. Or another attack from Osama bin Gomez. :roll:
ROTFLMAO! I know people who believe that. They're having a really hard time with the Pubs who are advocating real reform.

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O Really wrote:I guess giving up a few Constitutional rights is worth it as long as we keep out a few more of those pesky Messkins. Or another attack from Osama bin Gomez. :roll:
Or Canadians. That map merely shows where local police forces and whatnot have permits to fly drones. For border patrol, the big base is in North Dakota.

I used to follow the sci.space groups on Usenet, and an Air Force guy's 2006 post about it is still one of the most relevant:

Oct 15 2006
Speaking of which, our ANG unit at Fargo (The Happy Hooligans) just deactivated their last F-16s a couple of days ago. From now on they will be flying Predator drones, with the aircraft themselves being based at Grand Forks.

When this plan was first floated it was stated that their Predators would be operated over Iraq and Afghanistan while under control from Fargo via satellite.

But that seemed odd at the time because it would make more sense to deploy the Predators on one of the coasts, where they could be ferried to where they were going to be used.

Now that plan seems to have changed...now the Predators are supposed to be used over the Canadian border to prevent illegal entries. But after hurricane Katrina a law got passed that allows the military to operate reconnaissance drones over the continental U.S., so I suspect the reason Fargo was chosen is due to its position pretty well dead center in the North American continent, allowing the drones to fly all over the place.

Surprisingly, this planned change in mission predates the hurricane and the new law.

This spooks me a bit, as without that law the Predators would have no real mission they could perform from Fargo.

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Wneglia wrote:Homemade Attack Drone
We live in a world where a legally blind guy with almost no budget has built a similar drone and flown it across the Atlantic ocean. You can imagine what small governments can do.

Meanwhile the American government has established the idea that sending drones into other countries that you're not at war with, to kill your enemies and anyone who happens to be nearby, is perfectly acceptable behavior.

Someone is going to decide that drones are the modern-day "great equalizer" similar to guns in the past. They may not do much real damage, but they'll be a highly effective terror weapon.

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rstrong wrote:Meanwhile the American government has established the idea that sending drones into other countries that you're not at war with, to kill your enemies and anyone who happens to be nearby, is perfectly acceptable behavior.
Don't piss off an ayatollah. That fatwa could be deadly. Drone deadly.

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Vrede wrote:If it ever happens, that's really going to mess with the idiot cops in TN.
Hemp is one subject where the idiocy tends to come from the pot crowd. They often make long-debunked and absurd claims about hemp products (better than cotton for clothes, better than wood pulp for paper, better than modern rope, etc.) and believe that it was banned because of some vast conspiracy.

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Vrede wrote:Elderly couple pulled over after their (Ohio State) Buckeye car decal is mistaken for a marijuana leaf

Yes, it's hilarious that moronic TN (possible) drug-interdiction cops are clueless as to what a pot leaf looks like. But, it's more disturbing that they are so clueless as to not know that the 1st Amendment protects the right of any citizen to sport a pot leaf image, anyhow. Add TN to rstrong's Constitution-Free Zone . . . .
Seems the more appropriate response would have been, "That's not a marijuana leaf, and so fuckin what if it is?" Or, are mere decals illegal in the un-lightened state of Tennessee? It wouldn't be the most backward and/or idiotic thing you'd run across in such a ignorant cracker place.
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Yes; that's the sort of long-debunked claims and absurd conspiracy theories I refer to.

Remember, hemp is grown legally in Canada and many other countries around the world. And yet - despite being perfectly legal - it doesn't have a very large market because it simply isn't the wonder material that the conspiracy theorists claim.

The Dupont/Nylon claim is pure BS because nylon rope didn't replace hemp. It replaced Manila, which was never banned.

Hemp rope rotted (especially at sea) so sailors constantly had to slather it in tar. (Hence the sailor nick-name "Jack Tars".) Hemp rope was phased out when Manila, which does not require tarring, became widely available. Manila is sometimes referred to as Manila hemp, but it's actually abacá, a species of banana. Nylon rope came along decades later. You could offer the marine industry legal hemp rope for free, and they'd continue to use steel-core nylon rope.

As for the Hearst/paper claim, if Hearst thought that hemp could replace trees for paper, and it was still legal at the time, then why didn't he make the switch? This was one of the most powerful people on the planet. He could have bought farm land instead of timber. As someone who went through a lot of newsprint, Hearst would have welcomed a new source even if he already owned plenty of forest. Land is easy to sell, and there's no shortage of demand for wood for other uses.

In reality hemp WAS used for paper a century ago, but only in small amounts. Paper took over while hemp was still legal. Today's market shows why: Despite it being legal to use hemp for paper in most countries - the economics don't work out.

From Wikipedia, with citations: "Dewey and Merrill believed that hemp hurds were a suitable source for paper production. However, later research does not confirm this. The concentration of cellulose in hemp hurds is only between 32% and 38% (not 77%, a number often repeated by Jack Herer and others on the Internet). Manufacture of paper with hemp as a raw material has shown that hemp lacks the qualities needed to become a major competitor to the traditional paper industry, which still uses wood or waste paper as raw material."

Similar claims are made about hemp clothing. But to use it as an alternative to cotton - unless you like dressing in something with the texture and flexibility of canvas - you need to mix it with 50% cotton. It's simpler and cheaper to just use cotton by itself.

As for the other claims, more environmentally sustainable, alcohol makers, Big Pharma etc., again, hemp is grown legally around the world. Nothing stops it from being used as cloth, paper, rope, etc. Other than it's just not the wonder material some claim.

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