Ex President* Trump

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I just hope that what they found/find is significant and not just a technicality classification breach. A lot of stuff gets "classified" but isn't really sensitive. This needs to be information that (a) he knew was classified; (b) he wanted to keep/use it for himself; or (c) he wanted to hide it from others.

I'm not positive that classification status matters. A POTUS can declassify anything he chooses and idk how formal that process is. Could TRE45ON just say that on his way out of the WH he waved his magic pizza fork and cried, "I declassify you!" and would that be sufficient? Here's what Solar posted. I think it's accurate as I saw another article referring to the Elias claim:
viewtopic.php?p=172722#p172722

Mark Elias spells out the reason they so badly want Trump.

This may be the Marc Elias that's he's referring to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Elias
Note that Solar spells the first name wrong. Ever the fuckup, Solar doesn't post what Elias says about it or even link it. However, it is a part of the discussion on this planet's news programs. Regardless of any other charges, it appears that TRE45ON broke this law and a conviction will indeed prevent him from ever running again, nttawwt....

https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/ ... #msg493070

Note that the law doesn't mention classification status. All of these records belong to the people, not Dolt .45. However, GoCubsGo posts that the part about "disqualified from holding any office under the United States" may not be constitutional.

Even if it's an open and shut not a treason or insurrection case I'm ok with it if it gets him banned from running.

Although I still want more and to lock him up.

Edit: Might not be constitutional as the criteria is set there.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-broke- ... 00277.html

Still, one would think that there are other provisions that includes criminal penalties. Idk if they depend on classification status or not.

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Maybe a really bad Monday.

Tuesday:

Appeals court rules Congress can get Donald Trump’s tax records

[billy.pilgrim]

I just hope that what they found/find is significant and not just a technicality classification breach. A lot of stuff gets "classified" but isn't really sensitive. This needs to be information that (a) he knew was classified; (b) he wanted to keep/use it for himself; or (c) he wanted to hide it from others.

I'm not positive that classification status matters. A POTUS can declassify anything he chooses and idk how formal that process is. Could TRE45ON just say that on his way out of the WH he waved his magic pizza fork and cried, "I declassify you!" and would that be sufficient? Here's what Solar posted. I think it's accurate as I saw another article referring to the Elias claim:
viewtopic.php?p=172722#p172722

Mark Elias spells out the reason they so badly want Trump.

This may be the Marc Elias that's he's referring to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Elias
Note that Solar spells the first name wrong. Ever the fuckup, Solar doesn't post what Elias says about it or even link it. However, it is a part of the discussion on this planet's news programs. Regardless of any other charges, it appears that TRE45ON broke this law and a conviction will indeed prevent him from ever running again, nttawwt....

https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/ ... #msg493070

Note that the law doesn't mention classification status. All of these records belong to the people, not Dolt .45. However, GoCubsGo posts that the part about "disqualified from holding any office under the United States" may not be constitutional.

Even if it's an open and shut not a treason or insurrection case I'm ok with it if it gets him banned from running.

Although I still want more and to lock him up.

Edit: Might not be constitutional as the criteria is set there.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-broke- ... 00277.html

Still, one would think that there are other provisions that includes criminal penalties. Idk if they depend on classification status or not.

Couldn't Biden have reclassified any sensitive documents? Remember that the big flap about Hillary having classified documents on her server was about documents that were only later changed to classified.

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Couldn't Biden have reclassified any sensitive documents? Remember that the big flap about Hillary having classified documents on her server was about documents that were only later changed to classified.

Did he, and would he then need to ask politely for their return rather than sending the FBI on a warrant?

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Couldn't Biden have reclassified any sensitive documents? Remember that the big flap about Hillary having classified documents on her server was about documents that were only later changed to classified.

Did he, and would he then need to ask politely for their return rather than sending the FBI on a warrant?

Well, we know what Trump (and his wannabes) do with requests, polite or otherwise. But I'm as certain as a person with no real knowledge of the facts can be that the term "mishandling" is a placeholder for some serious shit. The places I worked in what is now called the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance Agency were obsessively secure. Perimeter fenced with guards, coded access doors and some inside doors. Everything originating in the compound was classified. The practice was to stay at your workstation until the next shift guy showed up, then review everything on the desk with them. If you left the work station untended, everything had to be turned off and desk clean. I mention that because "mishandling" might mean that you left your notes or working papers on the desk between shifts, even knowing it would be tended very soon. If the next guy wasn't a prick, he'd just tell you about it the next day, but if he was a prick and reported it to his boss and then you heard about it from your boss and you might have to go to some bogus "training" activity on your day off. No FBI would be involved.

On the other hand, if you actually removed documents marked "Secret" or above, you'd be in for some pain. Partly because it would be hard to do it "accidentally" since you couldn't just carry stuff out and would have had to make an effort to hide it.

I'm guessing these documents are something Trump wanted to hide and that are incriminating in some way. I'm guessing the real offence isn't going to be how the documents were handled, but what is in those documents.

At least I can hope.

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... I'm guessing these documents are something Trump wanted to hide and that are incriminating in some way. I'm guessing the real offence isn't going to be how the documents were handled, but what is in those documents.

At least I can hope.

I agree with you in principle. Idk what might be in the documents, which could have been destroyed a long time ago, but there's something going on besides mishandling them, which seems kind of penny-ante for the first ever search of this sort. There better be something else, something big, that Merrick can already prove regardless of the fruits of the search.

[billy.pilgrim]

dunald goes to new York and pleads the 5th




https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... tia-james/

"Former president Donald Trump arrived at the office of the New York attorney general Wednesday morning to give sworn testimony in a long-running civil probe of his business dealings, specifically his representations to lenders and tax agencies about the value of his assets.

In a lengthy statement, Trump denied wrongdoing, accused the U.S. government of unfairly targeting him and said he would refuse to answer questions, citing his Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate himself."

Now ain't this special. Who knew it's standard practice to overvalue real estate when seeking to borrow money and undervalue property when paying taxes.

"Lawyers for Trump have said that the valuations practices with which James is concerned are standard in the real estate industry."

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dunald goes to new York and pleads the 5th


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... tia-james/ ...

TV news has been full of mashups of Dolt .45 condemning people who plead the 5th and saying it proves guilt. The late night comics are going to have a field day with this. If he says so . . .

Another rare instance where Former PINO uttered something wise and true:

Donald Trump nominated the FBI director who led the Mar-a-Lago search: 'He will make us all proud'

I'm kinda proud of Wray right now.

[billy.pilgrim]

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(tweet)

Found:

It's almost as if they haven't realized by now that Republicans only 'back the blue" BLINDLY when it comes to them brutalizing UNARMED black people.

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I'm not positive that classification status matters. A POTUS can declassify anything he chooses and idk how formal that process is. Could TRE45ON just say that on his way out of the WH he waved his magic pizza fork and cried, "I declassify you!" and would that be sufficient?...

Trump allies say he declassified Mar-a-Lago documents. Experts say it's unclear whether that will hold up.

(Trumpette mouthpieces skipped over)

... Richard Immerman, a historian and an assistant deputy director of national intelligence in the Obama administration, disagreed and said that, while the president has the authority to declassify documents, there’s a formal process for doing so, and there's no indication Trump used it.

“He can’t just wave a wand (magic pizza fork) and say it’s declassified,” Immerman said. “There has to be a formal process. That’s the only way the system can work,” because otherwise there would be no way of knowing who could handle or see the documents.

“I’ve seen thousands of declassified documents. They’re all marked ‘declassified’ with the date they were declassified,” Immerman said.

That does not appear to have been the case with some of the documents that were returned to the National Archives from Mar-a-Lago this year. Archivist David S. Ferriero, an Obama appointee, said in a letter to the House Committee on Oversight and Reform in February that his agency had "identified items marked as classified national security information within the boxes” from Mar-a-Lago....

(more Trumpette mouthpieces skipped over, especially the one cited by Liarbart)

A source who had discussed the matter with Trump but was not authorized to reveal those conversations said the former president wasn't concerned with formal protocol.

"We’ve told him there’s a process and not following it could be a problem but he didn’t care because he thinks this stuff is dumb,” the source said. “His attitude is that he is the president. He is in charge of the country and therefore national security. So he decides.”

Bradley Moss, a lawyer who specializes in national security issues, said, "That's not how it works."

"Trump could say we're declassifying this until he's blue in the face, but no one is allowed to touch those records until the markings are addressed," said Moss, a frequent Trump critic on Twitter.

He noted that Trump and White House officials should have been aware that more would be needed to declassify documents given their own experience on the issue. In October 2020, Trump tweeted, “I have fully authorized the total Declassification of any & all documents pertaining to the single greatest political CRIME in American History, the Russia Hoax. Likewise, the Hillary Clinton Email Scandal. No redactions!”

When news organizations sought to obtain the supposedly declassified documents, they were told they were still under wraps. Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows said in a sworn court filing in the case, “The president indicated to me that his statements on Twitter were not self-executing declassification orders and do not require the declassification or release of any particular documents.”

Opps, self-busted again.

In the current dispute, the apparent lack of a paper trail showing that Trump declassified the documents before he left office could be a problem for the former president, said Stephen Vladeck, a University of Texas School of Law professor who specializes in national security.

“President Trump had the power to declassify whichever documents he wanted to while he was president, but not any longer. So I’m not sure it’s at all obvious that he could now claim that he declassified documents while he was still in office if there’s no evidence to support it,” Vladeck said.

(Heritage Foundation Trumpette mouthpiece skipped over)

Vladeck said Trump could still face legal ramifications regardless, because "some of the criminal statutes that are being discussed apply whether or not the underlying information is classified."

"The Presidential Records Act and other similar statutes constrain President Trump’s ability to do what he wishes with at least some of the official documents from his tenure, regardless of whether those documents include sensitive national security information," Vladeck said.

Moss said one of the laws that prosecutors could theoretically bring to bear against Trump is 18 U.S. Code § 793 — "Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information."

The law penalizes "Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book ... or note relating to the national defense" who "through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed." It also penalizes someone who "willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it."

In this instance, the National Archives said it had been negotiating with Trump's team for the return of documents since last year, and Moss noted that Trump's lawyer acknowledged they met with Justice Department as recently as early June about records that were still missing. On Thursday, a source familiar with the matter confirmed to NBC News that Trump also received a federal grand jury subpoena demanding the return of sensitive documents the government believed he'd held onto.

Gotcha!

... Immerman said given the information that’s already emerged from the National Archives, it’s likely any classified information that went to Mar-a-Lago was mishandled en route. “When they’re moved you can’t just put them in a briefcase — they’re put in pouches that are double locked,” he said. “When I worked in national intelligence I could not carry documents by myself — I had to be accompanied by someone,” Immerman added.

Noah Bookbinder, president of the left-leaning government watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and a former federal corruption prosecutor, said, “If there were people who knew they were removing records they were not supposed to remove, they could have some legal exposure as well.”

More gotchas, cool!

(TRE45ON and Stephen Miller whining skipped over)

... “The White House counsel informed Donald Trump and others about their requirements under the Presidential Records Act. It would be hard for them to say they didn’t understand what their obligations are under the law here,” Bookbinder said.

Immerman said he was distressed at the possibility of missing records, especially given reports of Trump destroying government documents during his time in office.

"We don't know what was destroyed," Immerman said.

"Speaking as a historian, it is extremely disconcerting and upsetting. At this point, I find it highly doubtful that we will be able to write a thorough and accurate history of the Trump administration. There will be holes in it."

LOCK THEM UP!

Ever notice how routinely and automatically RepuQs defend TRE45ON actions that they never would have considered defending before he did them?

The Trump Administration passed more severe penalties for the mishandling of classified documents, as it was concerned about leakers, yet here we are.

I wonder if the Feds could use the forfeiture laws to seize Mar-a-Lago?

[GoCubsGo]

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... P.S. Did any of Melania's panties just appear on eBay?

Article: Jr making the case that he is really the dumb one

[GoCubsGo]

[Vrede too]

That Merrick is a sly one. It's like he's writing plot twists for telenovelas.

[GoCubsGo]

[Vrede too]

According to Twitter:

Spoiler:

Video: LA City Hall during BLM protests.
Overdubbed audio: 2017 in London.


'Hey, Donald Trump! I wanna know why you're such a cunt!'

Is that with a Q instead c?

So what were you able to slip out and how?

Nice try, NBC!

A parent to a toddler could also supervise, I can attest that they would grab anything they can see and we all know there are similarities. My 2 year old also likes to throw food and have tantrums.

[GoCubsGo]

Morning yuk yuk.

[GoCubsGo]

[GoCubsGo]

Republicans have no soul, morality or actual ethics.