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Vrede too wrote:
Fri Nov 11, 2022 8:11 pm
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Fri Nov 11, 2022 7:23 pm
Vrede too wrote:
Fri Nov 11, 2022 7:11 pm
They don't persuade anyone to switch sides, but they energize one's own team and convince tepid supporters of the opposition to stay home.
Maybe that more than anything I guess. Usually energizes me to walk to the fridge.
Yeah, but with an extra bounce in your step when a RepuQ has just been trashed.

Did the Steelers put Fetterman over the top, and is there some post-season award for that?

Dems supporting Trumpettes with primary ads and crossover voting ( :wave: ) was controversial at the time. I'd say that it was hugely successful and will lead to more of the same in the future.

Deep analysis:
5 myths that the 2022 midterms demolished

... Despite the howling economic headwinds, it’s entirely possible that Joe Biden could become the first Democratic president since John F. Kennedy in 1962 not only to keep control of the Senate but actually expand his majority there. Democrats held onto House seats in Rhode Island, Virginia, Michigan and Ohio that Republicans were sure they could flip. They clawed back control of state legislatures. They ran the table on ballot measures to preserve abortion rights. And they could be on their way to winning the governor’s mansions in four of the five states that swung from former President Donald Trump to Biden in 2020.

All in all, it made for one of the most surprising elections in recent U.S. history. As the dust begins to settle, here are five myths about American politics that 2022’s dizzying midterms totally demolished.

Myth: Candidates don’t matter

... If the election had solely been a referendum on the (Democratic) status quo, Biden’s party would have been on track to suffer the cataclysmic midterm losses of Harry Truman in 1946 (54 seats), Bill Clinton in 1994 (53 seats), Barack Obama in 2010 (64 seats) and Trump in 2018 (42 seats).

Instead, Democrats are predicted to lose only about 10 seats, give or take. If California’s outstanding contests break their way, they might even keep control of the House — a previously unthinkable result.

Why? Because at the end of the day, elections are always a choice. And in far too many cases, the GOP alternative seems to have struck a lot of potential Republican voters as unacceptable....

Consider Pennsylvania, where the Republican gubernatorial wannabe Doug Mastriano — a guy who actually gathered outside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, to “Stop the steal” — lost to Democrat Josh Shapiro by 14 points.

And consider the Democratic sweep in Michigan — a state Trump won in 2016 but where this year’s extremist slate of Republican election deniers lost races for governor, secretary of state, three key House contests and control of both halves of the state Legislature.

... the group that ultimately tipped the scales was independents. In 2010 (Obama’s first midterm), independents sided with Republicans by a 56% to 37% margin; in 2018 (Trump’s one and only midterm), they sided with Democrats by 54% to 42%. Independents almost always flock to the opposition — and as they go, so goes the election.

But this year, indies shattered the historical pattern and broke for the president’s party, 49% to 47%; the Democratic margin among independents was even larger in the Arizona, Georgia, New Hampshire and Pennsylvania Senate races. All signs suggest that they weren’t rewarding Biden Democrats so much as recoiling from Trump Republicans.

It shouldn’t have been close, but apparently more MAGA was worse than more of the same.

Myth: Trump has the 2024 Republican nomination sewn up ...
Too bad, would have been a winner in Nov.
Myth: Swing voters don’t care about abortion and democracy ...

Myth: Latinos are all becoming more Republican ...

Myth: Polling is broken

... Meanwhile, the FiveThirtyEight averages in battleground Senate races showed roughly a single percentage point separating Republicans and Democrats in Arizona, Nevada, Georgia and Pennsylvania, with increasingly larger margins in New Hampshire, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Washington, Ohio, Colorado and Florida. Nearly all of these pre-election averages were close to the final results.

According to G. Elliott Morris, a data journalist for the Economist, “The average absolute error of polling averages in competitive senate elections now looks likely to come in around 2.5% — about half the expected error since 1998. Polls look to have underestimated Democrats marginally by about 0.5-1 point.”

In other words, if you were following the polls — instead of the vibes — you would have known that a so-called “red wave” was far from inevitable.
I was seeing the “red wave” stuff, but turned to RCP on every race that interested me. My pessimism derived from thinking RepuQs were being undercounted as in past polls.
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This runup to this election is so effing bizarre, I don't know what to believe. A month ago polls were promising for dems, today it looks like a bloodbath.



I am not trusting polls at this point and am wondering if the silent MAGA voters of 2016 are no longer silent and more likely to talk to a pollster.

I've never been polled and probably never will as I don't answer my phone to unknown numbers and these days the question begs as to who does and doesn't answer those type of calls.
And the under polling of 18-30 year olds who apparently don't answer their phones either.
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And the under polling of 18-30 year olds who apparently don't answer their phones either.
I screen calls, too, lots of them since I'm unaffiliated. I would guess that pollsters find ways to compensate since it's their job, but Idk how.

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And the under polling of 18-30 year olds who apparently don't answer their phones either.
I screen calls, too, lots of them since I'm unaffiliated. I would guess that pollsters find ways to compensate since it's their job, but Idk how.
WAG? :think: :lol:
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Interesting factoid - lots of people have said for years that ballots should have a "none of the above" choice, and many seem to believe that NOTA would win a lot of races. But Nevada does have such a choice and it gets minimal votes. One race I saw NOTA got 3%.

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My entirely uninformed opinion - As the election nears Johnson is likely to withdraw or her supporters are likely to abandon her hopeless campaign. Most will then vote Dem.
]Yeah, Johnson has been pushing hard on her "independence" and "non-partisan" approach. Sounds good until you look further into her and then realize that she's not going to win and is draining off Dem votes. I agree with you.


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And we were right. Johnson ended up with about 8% - half of what she had in late-race polls. I still think the Repugs may have paid rewarded umm "encouraged" Johnson to be a spoiler.

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And we were right. Johnson ended up with about 8% - half of what she had in late-race polls. I still think the Repugs may have paid rewarded umm "encouraged" Johnson to be a spoiler.
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It's been called for Kotek! :clap: Apparently, a plurality is sufficient in OR.
Tina Kotek (D) 47.1%, 815,329
Christine Drazan (R) 43.5%, 751,795
Betsy Johnson (Other) 8.6%, 149,519
Donice Smith (Other) 0.4%, 6,903
Leon Noble (L) 0.3%, 5,841
91% expected vote in
Look at the red-blue color map, ugh:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-e ... or-results

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Vrede too wrote:
Fri Nov 11, 2022 10:05 pm
I screen calls, too, lots of them since I'm unaffiliated. I would guess that pollsters find ways to compensate since it's their job, but Idk how.
WAG? :think: :lol:
:D Could be, but wouldn't seem to be a sustainable business model.

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Look at the red-blue color map, ugh:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-e ... or-results
Yeah, but except for Bend, over in Deschutes County, nobody lives in any of that red void, and a lot of the few that do live there want to join Idaho.

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Still, it's a lot of territory in enemy hands.
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Fri Nov 11, 2022 9:18 pm
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Fri Nov 11, 2022 1:04 pm
Some have called it for Kelly already.
Not called, but projected Cortez Masto to be winner ...
93% expected votes in (Est. remaining 72,738)
Adam Laxalt (R) 48.6%, 462,517
Catherine Cortez Masto (D) Incumbent 48.4%, 460,566

Oooh, I am so close to:
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Adam Laxalt (R) 48.5%, 467,208, < 1K vote lead!
Catherine Cortez Masto (D) Incumbent 48.4%, 466,387
None of these candidates 1.2%, 11,483 :lol:
94% expected votes in (Est. remaining 61,795)
Oooh, so close.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-e ... te-results

AZ has been called for Kelly! :clap:
Mark Kelly (D) Incumbent 51.8%, 1,128,917
Wingnut Blake Masters (R) 46.1%, 1,005,001
Marc Victor (L) 2.1%, 46,189
85% expected votes in (Est. remaining 394,893)
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-e ... te-results

49-49 with Cortez Masto (D) on the verge of making it 50-49, phew! Pooor pooor RepuQs.

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49-49 with Cortez Masto (D) on the verge of making it 50-49, phew! Pooor pooor RepuQs.
Poor Joe Manchin ( I'm optimistically hoping :crybaby: ).
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Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:03 pm
Wow, a touch of sanity breaks out to the south.

I'm a little shocked.

Lula Narrowly Wins Brazil's High-Stakes Election, Ending Bolsonaro’s Far-Right Presidency

This is not shocking however.

This is terrifying:
VICE NEWS TONIGHT / S6 EP64
Thursday, November 10, 2022


VICE News investigates how Brazil’s president Jair Bolsonaro pushed the world’s fourth-largest democracy to the brink of crisis -- and built a lasting right-wing movement.
The first 20 minutes are about the election and aftermath. The parallels to Trumpism are greater than I knew, and are on Brasilian steroids.
Then, there are 5 minutes on the Kari Lake campaign, also making connections.
Then, 10 minutes on TV Rain, Russian exile YouTube news. :-||
Finally, 10 minutes on adult Nerf gun warriors. Puff piece, but kinda fun.

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49-49 with Cortez Masto (D) on the verge of making it 50-49, phew! Pooor pooor RepuQs.
Poor Joe Manchin ( I'm optimistically hoping :crybaby: ).
It will be poetic justice if Manchin gets screwed by an idiot like Herschel and a ultra-liberal Black minister.

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Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:46 pm
... Kari Lake is a self-manufactured loon, but attractive TV talking head people can be popular....
Police: No powder found in envelopes in candidate's office

It's sad that still-in-the-running perpetual victim Kari Lake is so stupid that she thought this would pass the smell test. No one in 2022 throws out a white powder envelope, no one. What does this say about the gullible and dumb Lake voters?

GoHobbsGo!
People were onto Lake's stunt. But she learned from trump that even bad publicity is good publicity.
Of course there wasn't. And yet this won't convince her supporters.
It was Lake's make-up powder.
Hobb's desperate opponent just pulled a stunt and no one is apparently falling for it.
The powder took a powder?
Sound like a political stunt to promote anger against the opposition in a race she know she was losing. FIling a false report is criminal and I hope they go after who did it.

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Cortez-Masto wins!
Senate is safe, and with any luck the Georgia Repugs will just fade off of Walker for lack of interest

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Cortez-Masto wins!
Senate is safe, and with any luck the Georgia Repugs will just fade off of Walker for lack of interest
. . . and disgust now that his R doesn't help them. I predict Warnock by 5% or more.

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Cortez-Masto wins!
Senate is safe, and with any luck the Georgia Repugs will just fade off of Walker for lack of interest
. . . and disgust now that his R doesn't help them. I predict Warnock by 5% or more.

:happy-cheerleaderkid:
Yeah, they all hung on Walker to "take over the Senate" but now that that's off the table, I'm guessing a lot aren't going to bother to play anymore. Wind out of sails, idiot for candidate, nothing really to lose if Warlock goes back in. Somebody get ready to tell Manchin he won't be President anymore.

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Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:20 am
So if I can find the ad online I'll post it, but here's just how crazier the drooling moon-barking lunatics have become.
Jaime Herrera Beutler is the Congress critter for WA-3, a flukish Republican in office first elected in 2010. The District is Vancouver WA and southwest, with more Dems registered than anybody else. But she's done a decent job as Repugnants go, generally voting along with the party, but not embarrassing anybody. But she voted for Trump's second impeachment and attracted the ire of the droolers.

So the primary filled with candidates all trying to be more right wingish radical than the others. Enter Joe Kent, Trump-endorsed former green beret guy espousing all the usual America First blather and election fraud nonsense.

Here's where the crazier starts: there's a TV ad running against Kent that calls him "Socialist Joe" and claims he once agreed with Bernie on something and was (gasp) once a registered Democrat in (choke) Portland!

I love it when they eat their own.
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Fri Jul 29, 2022 12:33 pm
KGW-TV Portland:
What's with all the messy political ads in Southwest Washington?

Article and 9:40 news report
Anti Joe Kent ad excerpt at 1:00

:shock:
https://www.joekentiscia.com/
(Note: Content wiped, I quoted a bunch of it here:
viewtopic.php?p=172340#p172340 )


"Dover, Delaware", but JOE KENT IS A CARPETBAGGER FROM PORTLAND.
:lol:

Damn, I never get to vote for a MARXIST.

Red Voice Media:
Joe Kent: Carpetbagger Democrat or America First Patriot?
We all make mistakes...ours was Joe Kent.

(Note: Article removed, probably after he won the primary :lol: )
Joe Kent did win the primary, then:

Democratic wins in Washington state buoy party hopes

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Yeah, classic case of Repugs stepping happily on their own dicks. Heurrea Buetler (sp) would have kept the seat easily. Now, instead of installing another loon, they've got a Dem in office. Fair chance Repugs won't get that seat back for years, if ever

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Another election denier bites the dust.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving b$%*h.

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