College football

[O Really]

Say, does 1 loss UNC have a shot if it stomps #16 NC St and #10 Clemson? It also beat formerly ranked Wake, losing only to resurgent #20 ND 7-3 in Sept.

Maybe if it were a neoplacebo-worthy, fish-slapping, salamander stomping, case of whoopass beat down, but otherwise...

[billy.pilgrim]

That's a good program. Period.
Further, though, if a person can't afford the application fee, what realistic chance do they have to afford to attend? But the cost of applications would add up if you're applying to several schools (first choice, back-up, etc.) Back in the Dark Ages, I applied (in preference order) to UNC (legacy and some personal familiarity), University of Miami, University of Pennsylvania (really just to see if I could get accepted), and University of Maryland. (sorry, Vrede, but I really didn't want to go "off" to college in my back yard if I didn't have to)

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Auburn reported a record revenue of more than $152.4 million during the 2018-19 fiscal year. That total ranked 13th nationally, according to the USA Today database.

Of that $152.4 million, more than $95.1 million came directly from football. That total includes ticket sales ($29 million); donations from individuals, corporations, clubs or foundations ($29 million); media rights ($18.9 million); bowl game revenue ($7.2 million); a guarantee for the nonconference game in Atlanta ($4.2 million); and concessions and parking ($2 million), among other revenue streams.

Add it all up, and it equals 62.4% of the department’s total earnings. The program’s total expenses came out to a little more than $47.8 million, which mean football operated at a profit of more than $47.3 million.

That excess is how Auburn funds the rest of its athletics department. Football is one of only two college sports considered a revenue-generator — the men’s basketball program brought in a revenue of $15.5 million, which was a profit of $5 million over its $10.5 million expenditure.

The rest of Auburn’s athletic programs (baseball, women’s basketball, equestrian, golf, gymnastics, soccer, softball, swimming and diving, tennis, track and field/cross country and volleyball) brought in $41.7 million in revenue but cost $80.8 million to run — a net loss of $39.1 million. That’s why the department’s surplus was only $13.2 million.

[Vrede too]

Yeah but think of how many millions Auburn's wasted on coaches, plus 92 mil for a football palace - too bad there's nothing better that could be done with $125mill in Alabama. Maybe like, oh, give 3,800 kids a full 4-year ride?

The fuckin' slackers shoulda learned to play football instead of frittering away their time reading books.

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Auburn reported a record revenue of more than $152.4 million during the 2018-19 fiscal year. That total ranked 13th nationally, according to the USA Today database.

Of that $152.4 million, more than $95.1 million came directly from football. That total includes ticket sales ($29 million); donations from individuals, corporations, clubs or foundations ($29 million); media rights ($18.9 million); bowl game revenue ($7.2 million); a guarantee for the nonconference game in Atlanta ($4.2 million); and concessions and parking ($2 million), among other revenue streams.

Add it all up, and it equals 62.4% of the department’s total earnings. The program’s total expenses came out to a little more than $47.8 million, which mean football operated at a profit of more than $47.3 million.

That excess is how Auburn funds the rest of its athletics department. Football is one of only two college sports considered a revenue-generator — the men’s basketball program brought in a revenue of $15.5 million, which was a profit of $5 million over its $10.5 million expenditure.

The rest of Auburn’s athletic programs (baseball, women’s basketball, equestrian, golf, gymnastics, soccer, softball, swimming and diving, tennis, track and field/cross country and volleyball) brought in $41.7 million in revenue but cost $80.8 million to run — a net loss of $39.1 million. That’s why the department’s surplus was only $13.2 million.

That makes a persuasive case that it's society's spending choices that are fucked up rather than Auburn’s.

[Vrede too]

FCS Coaches Poll

Top 10 are unchanged after all either won or had a bye.
Montana State 9-1 remains #3. :thumbup:
Jackson State 10-0 remains #5. GoDeionGo!
Montana 7-3 moved up 2 to #12 after crushing unranked Eastern Washington 63-7 and other ranked teams lost. :thumbup:

Sat, Nov 19 2:00 PM Montana @Montana State in the regular season finale. ESPN+. Go Griz!
Tickets as low as $376, and those are in the corners of the endzone.
I don't think the Big Sky Conference has a championship game. Montana wouldn't qualify even if it wins. Currently, it looks like Sacramento 10-0, 7-0 may hold some tiebreaker over Montana State 9-1, 7-0, but I don't know what it is. Maybe conference point differential?
https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... w/fcs-i-aa

Anyhow, a Montana win might get it into the playoffs, a loss might keep it out. I think Montana State is in the playoffs win or lose.
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[billy.pilgrim]

Yeah but think of how many millions Auburn's wasted on coaches, plus 92 mil for a football palace - too bad there's nothing better that could be done with $125mill in Alabama. Maybe like, oh, give 3,800 kids a full 4-year ride?

The fuckin' slackers shoulda learned to play football instead of frittering away their time reading books.

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Auburn reported a record revenue of more than $152.4 million during the 2018-19 fiscal year. That total ranked 13th nationally, according to the USA Today database.

Of that $152.4 million, more than $95.1 million came directly from football. That total includes ticket sales ($29 million); donations from individuals, corporations, clubs or foundations ($29 million); media rights ($18.9 million); bowl game revenue ($7.2 million); a guarantee for the nonconference game in Atlanta ($4.2 million); and concessions and parking ($2 million), among other revenue streams.

Add it all up, and it equals 62.4% of the department’s total earnings. The program’s total expenses came out to a little more than $47.8 million, which mean football operated at a profit of more than $47.3 million.

That excess is how Auburn funds the rest of its athletics department. Football is one of only two college sports considered a revenue-generator — the men’s basketball program brought in a revenue of $15.5 million, which was a profit of $5 million over its $10.5 million expenditure.

The rest of Auburn’s athletic programs (baseball, women’s basketball, equestrian, golf, gymnastics, soccer, softball, swimming and diving, tennis, track and field/cross country and volleyball) brought in $41.7 million in revenue but cost $80.8 million to run — a net loss of $39.1 million. That’s why the department’s surplus was only $13.2 million.

That makes a persuasive case that it's society's spending choices that are fucked up rather than Auburn’s.

I'm not sure I follow your line here. Isn't it more accurate that the most popular big money sport has to share with the sports that wouldn't be able to survive on only their own funds.
These other sports also provide competition, excitement and team spirit, but with football and basketball it's more in your face happening now.
I think it’s great that football can fund itself, plus swimming, gymnastics, golf, etc without having to dip into educational funds.
GO SPORTS

[billy.pilgrim]

FCS Coaches Poll

Top 10 are unchanged after all either won or had a bye.
Montana State 9-1 remains #3. :thumbup:
Jackson State 10-0 remains #5. GoDeionGo!
Montana 7-3 moved up 2 to #12 after crushing unranked Eastern Washington 63-7 and other ranked teams lost. :thumbup:

Sat, Nov 19 2:00 PM Montana @Montana State in the regular season finale. ESPN+. Go Griz!
Tickets as low as $376, and those are in the corners of the endzone.
I don't think the Big Sky Conference has a championship game. Montana wouldn't qualify even if it wins. Currently, it looks like Sacramento 10-0, 7-0 may hold some tiebreaker over Montana State 9-1, 7-0, but I don't know what it is. Maybe conference point differential?
https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... w/fcs-i-aa

Anyhow, a Montana win might get it into the playoffs, a loss might keep it out. I think Montana State is in the playoffs win or lose.
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Look at all 'dem Ws

https://goargos.com/sports/football/schedule/2022

[Vrede too]

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That makes a persuasive case that it's society's spending choices that are fucked up rather than Auburn’s.

I'm not sure I follow your line here. Isn't it more accurate that the most popular big money sport has to share with the sports that wouldn't be able to survive on only their own funds.
These other sports also provide competition, excitement and team spirit, but with football and basketball it's more in your face happening now.
I think it’s great that football can fund itself, plus swimming, gymnastics, golf, etc without having to dip into educational funds.
GO SPORTS

Easy tiger. I'm saying that it's fucked up that society's spends so much on football relative to other sports and education, NOT that Auburn is fucked up for spending SOME of the income on its cash cow that supports other sports, football.

[Vrede too]

Look at all 'dem Ws

https://goargos.com/sports/football/schedule/2022

#6 ranking 9-1!

#3 seed - First game is a home game vs unseeded Limestone Saints (Gaffney, South Carolina) 8-3 on 11/19.

Good luck!

[billy.pilgrim]

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That makes a persuasive case that it's society's spending choices that are fucked up rather than Auburn’s.

I'm not sure I follow your line here. Isn't it more accurate that the most popular big money sport has to share with the sports that wouldn't be able to survive on only their own funds.
These other sports also provide competition, excitement and team spirit, but with football and basketball it's more in your face happening now.
I think it’s great that football can fund itself, plus swimming, gymnastics, golf, etc without having to dip into educational funds.
GO SPORTS

Easy tiger. I'm saying that it's fucked up that society's spends so much on football relative to other sports and education, NOT that Auburn is fucked up for spending SOME of the income on its cash cow that supports other sports, football.

I understood you, but disagree with your point about society and about where football money is spent.
Would higher education be better off without sports?
I can't help but believe that sports participation and spirit help promote education in general.

Culturally we are the most excited about the most adrenaline pumping sports. It's natural for those sports to generate the most money, but it's society that steps in and commands that these big money sports share with all other sports.

[Vrede too]

I understood you, but disagree with your point about society and about where football money is spent.
Would higher education be better off without sports?
I can't help but believe that sports participation and spirit help promote education in general.

Culturally we are the most excited about the most adrenaline pumping sports. It's natural for those sports to generate the most money, but it's society that steps in and commands that these big money sports share with all other sports.

$95.1 million for one moderately successful school seems excessive to me, especially considering what we don't yet know about CTE. It's this ridiculous largesse that makes a carousel of poor coaches costing tens of millions in buyouts possible.

[billy.pilgrim]

I understood you, but disagree with your point about society and about where football money is spent.
Would higher education be better off without sports?
I can't help but believe that sports participation and spirit help promote education in general.

Culturally we are the most excited about the most adrenaline pumping sports. It's natural for those sports to generate the most money, but it's society that steps in and commands that these big money sports share with all other sports.

$95.1 million for one moderately successful school seems excessive to me, especially considering what we don't yet know about CTE. It's this ridiculous largesse that makes a carousel of poor coaches costing tens of millions in buyouts possible.

Is the money coming from educational funds, or is it enhancing educational funds?

[O Really]

I understand why football earns all the revenue, and it's good to be able to fund other sports. And sports overall are good for students and the community as a whole. But in my case when I see a huge dollar number for truly first-world luxury I can't help but think of the the hungry kids, homeless people and unaffordable healthcare, etc. and wonder how much of that could be helped if enough money was thrown at it. But yeah, I know - even if college sports did get dropped they're not going to use the money to feed any kids.

[Vrede too]

Is the money coming from educational funds, or is it enhancing educational funds?

I think that it's a reasonable guess that some of the "donations from individuals, corporations, clubs or foundations ($29 million)" would go to other school activities given the desire of folks to support their school one way or the other. Then, I'd guess that some of the "media rights ($18.9 million)" would be spent on other college sports. Beyond that, as O Really suggests money not spent on college football will go to other things, whatever they are.

This is purely an academic (or unacademic ;) ) debate to me. I have no hope or intent to dissuade society from spending so much on college football, and have even done some of that spending in the past.

[O Really]

Naa, I don't have a real beef about sports spending. I know people compartmentalize instead of prioritizing expenditure of funds. I just get tired of seeing homeless guys sleeping on the sidewalk next to a parked Maserati.

[billy.pilgrim]

I understand why football earns all the revenue, and it's good to be able to fund other sports. And sports overall are good for students and the community as a whole. But in my case when I see a huge dollar number for truly first-world luxury I can't help but think of the the hungry kids, homeless people and unaffordable healthcare, etc. and wonder how much of that could be helped if enough money was thrown at it. But yeah, I know - even if college sports did get dropped they're not going to use the money to feed any kids.

I agree, you know that, it's more our new class of trillionairs who will soon fully own our economy and our government who are responsible for "the the hungry kids, homeless people and unaffordable healthcare, etc."
The college sport money is only a symptom of the problem.
More of a shiny object to divert more focused attention on the real problem.

[Vrede too]

I agree, you know that, it's more our new class of trillionairs who will soon fully own our economy and our government who are responsible for "the the hungry kids, homeless people and unaffordable healthcare, etc."
The college sport money is only a symptom of the problem.
More of a shiny object to divert more focused attention on the real problem.

Sports are the modern opiate of the masses.
-- Vrede Marx

College Football Playoff Rankings
No changes in the top 5.

1 Georgia 10-0 :puke-left:
2 Ohio State 10-0
Gonna get knocked out by @Maryland this week. ;)
3 Michigan 10-0 :puke-left:
It or Ohio State will get knocked out when they play each other 11/26.
4 TCU 10-0
Hopefully knocked out in the Big 12 Championship on 12/3.
5 Tennessee 9-1
Won't play in the SEC Championship, maybe no chance to advance.

6-9 all moved up one after the Oregon loss.

6 LSU 8-2
Plays 1 Georgia in the SEC Championship, but will still have 1 more loss even if it wins. :think:
7 USC 9-1
In decent shape for a Playoff spot.
8 Alabama 8-2 :puke-left:
9 Clemson 9-1 :puke-left:
10 Utah 8-2 up3 :puke-left:
11 Penn State 8-2 up3 :puke-left:
12 Oregon 8-2 down 6 after losing to now 17 Washington
Can gain some redemption by beating 10 Utah this week.
13 North Carolina 9-1 up 2
O Really thinks that neo-stomping of 24 NC State on 11/25 and 9 Clemson in the ACC Championship on 12/3 MIGHT let it slide into the Playoffs. Fingers crossed.

16 UCLA 8-2 down4
Hmm, vs 7 USC this week. I would normally root for UCLA, but a win may knock the Pac-12 out of the Playoffs. :think:
17 Washington 8-2 up8 :thumbup: , but too bad it was at then 6 Oregon's expense.

24 NC State 7-3 down8 after getting edged by Boston College 21-20

[Vrede too]

9:00 PM EST

GO South Florida 1-9 > Tulsa 3-7 (-500), TV: ESPN2
Yes, Yahoo really favors Tulsa by 500 . VegasInsider favors Tulsa by 13.5.

[Vrede too]

Lotta FCS opponents and other predicted routs this week , not picked by me.

GO:

11:00 AM EST
@(20) UCF 8-2 (-15.5) > Navy 3-7, TV: ESPN2

12:00 PM EST
Wisconsin 5-5 (-10) > @Nebraska 3-7, TV: ESPN
@Baylor 6-4 > (4) TCU 10-0 (-2, just 2?), TV: Fox
UConn 6-5 > @Army 3-6 (-10.5), TV: CBSS
Virginia Tech 2-8 > @Liberty 8-2 (-10), TV: ESP+

2:00 PM EST
@East Carolina 6-4 (-6) > Houston 6-4, TV: ESP+

2:30 PM EST
@Appalachian State 5-5 (-16) > Old Dominion 3-7, TV: ESP+
Get a Bowl!

3:30 PM EST
@Maryland 6-4 > (2) Ohio State 10-0 (-27 ), TV: ABC
Only counts in my tally if the Terps win. ;)
Texas 6-4 (-9) > @ Kansas 6-4, TV: FS1
@Charlotte 2-9 > Louisiana Tech 3-7 (-2.5), TV: ESPN3 Loser Bowl

4:00 PM EST
@Auburn 4-6 (-5.5) > Western Kentucky 7-4, TV: SECN

5:30 PM EST
@California 3-7 (-5) > Stanford 3-7, TV: PACN Another Loser Bowl

7:00 PM EST
@Iowa State 4-6 (-3.5) > Texas Tech 5-5, TV: FS1
Boise State 7-3 (-14) > @Wyoming 7-3, TV: CBSS

8:00 PM EST
(7) USC 9-1 (-2) @(16) UCLA 8-2, TV: Fox

Hmm, vs 7 USC this week. I would normally root for UCLA, but a win may knock the Pac-12 out of the Playoffs. :think:

Go football!

10:30 PM EST
@(12) Oregon 8-2 > (10) Utah 8-2 (-2), TV: ESPN, Go Ducks!

[billy.pilgrim]

A week from tomorrow 2:30 Central on CBS

First meeting February 22, 1893
Auburn 32, Alabama 22

Of the total 86 meetings, including the 53 straight played on their field, bammer leads the series by 11 games - 48–37–1.
Of the 53 games on their field, bammer leads 34 19

Leaving the 33 games played on alternating fields with Auburn leading at 18 and bammer with 14

the modern era is more accurate. The past 40 years has Auburn at 20 wins and bammer with 20 wins.

Tomorrow's game will be in T-town. Will it be a beat down of a team that had to fire an idiot coach before he could further damage the team, or will Cadillac, the running back turned rookie coach roll over a bammer thinking easy game?

[Vrede too]

9:00 PM EST

GO South Florida 1-9 > Tulsa 3-7 (-500), TV: ESPN2
Yes, Yahoo really favors Tulsa by 500 . VegasInsider favors Tulsa by 13.5.

"-500" was the money line, they just posted it in the wrong spot. Tulsa 48-42 in a shootout . The South Florida QB got his first incomplete late in the 4th quarter, finished 21/24 with 3 TDs. 0-1.

O Really, congrats on SDSU 34, @NM 10, beating the 14.5 spread.