Gun Legislation

[Boatrocker]

Forida ummm, "enthusiasts" ...

Objectivity forces me to admit that firing automatic weapons is really fuggin cool. In the Navy I got a turn on the seagoing version of the M2 .50 cal AA, and thru a friend once got to fire a vintage Thompson M1928A1/M1 on full auto (fulfilling my Sgt Saunders fantasy from the 60s). But, having spent time around the folks who sponsor and attend "machine gun shoots," I have no problem with severe restrictions on such weapons, and their high-capacity, high-powered semi-auto cousins. It ain't the guns that make me uneasy- it's the goobers who own them.

[O Really]

It ain't the guns that make me uneasy- it's the goobers who own them.

True that - but of course if we got rid of activities based on who participates, we'd probably end up with no mud-boggin', monster trucks, or tractor pulls. Maybe we could just leave guns alone and ban rednecks?

[Boatrocker]

It ain't the guns that make me uneasy- it's the goobers who own them.

True that - but of course if we got rid of activities based on who participates, we'd probably end up with no mud-boggin', monster trucks, or tractor pulls. Maybe we could just leave guns alone and ban rednecks?

I have thought of that, but my wife would be pissed (at me, of course) to see so many of her relatives go.

[O Really]

I'm thinking they just threw in the HumVee as more macho imagery, to go along with the pics of the guns and the 1990's cool clipart "Bang." I guess there wasn't room for this one...

[O Really]

1990s? I remember that "Bang" from the 1960s Batman TV show.

Yeah, but it wasn't clip art back then that anybody could put on their newsletter and lost cat ads. Or maybe it was real "clip" art.

[O Really]

The gun, ummm, "enthusiasts" like to point to the gun homicide incidents in Chicago as an example of "gun laws don't work." OK, Chicago homicide rates are what they are. But the ummm "enthusiasts" never mention NYC that has essentially the same law as Chicago and gun homicides are way down over the past ten years. Maybe it's not just a matter of "gun laws don't work" and other factors contribute?

[Boatrocker]

Oopsie!
Or, should that be, "Oppsie!"
Who could possibly have seen this coming?!

[Wneglia]

Titty Titty Bang Bang

Why didn't I think of that?

[O Really]

More insight as to how armed amateur school posses (Possies?) and teachers might react if threatened...
http://www.citizen-times.com/article2013303030054

Buncombe deputy was afraid of a hiker's dog and shot it in front of his kids - apparently shooting in the direction of the kids. Quote the shooter... “I hate it had to happen,” Honeycutt said. “I didn’t like doing what I had to do, but the only other option for me was to wait and see what the dog did before I took any action whatsoever. And that’s not an option for me.”

No, of course not. Can't wait to see if anybody does anything - just shoot them.

Asked about why he was armed on his outing ... “We carry our guns off-duty because the only time you’re not allowed to carry your gun is if you’re imbibing alcohol or if you’re impaired,” Sorrells said. “We carry that because we have the duty to protect people 24-7. That never goes away.”

Thanks for the "protection" asshole.

[bannination]

More insight as to how armed amateur school posses (Possies?) and teachers might react if threatened...
http://www.citizen-times.com/article2013303030054

Buncombe deputy was afraid of a hiker's dog and shot it in front of his kids - apparently shooting in the direction of the kids. Quote the shooter... “I hate it had to happen,” Honeycutt said. “I didn’t like doing what I had to do, but the only other option for me was to wait and see what the dog did before I took any action whatsoever. And that’s not an option for me.”

No, of course not. Can't wait to see if anybody does anything - just shoot them.

Asked about why he was armed on his outing ... “We carry our guns off-duty because the only time you’re not allowed to carry your gun is if you’re imbibing alcohol or if you’re impaired,” Sorrells said. “We carry that because we have the duty to protect people 24-7. That never goes away.”

Thanks for the "protection" asshole.

Wow, he really thinks he was in the "right"...... wow....

[O Really]

The dog owner's ability to legally exact revenge are a bit limited. Sheriff's don't do anything to a deputy who shoots somebody with a lighter or a beer can in their own yard, they're not going to do anything about shooting a dog. The owner shouldn't have let the dogs run loose, but his story about why they were loose was as good as the deputy's story about why he "had" to shoot the dog. But if it were my dog, I'm pretty sure I could make the idiot cough up several thousand dollars in defense fees, even though I'd likely lose, and I'd get PETA to help publicize the killing - copy from the newpaper article to get the guy's name on a Facebook page...whatever that could legally be done to make his life miserable for a long time.

[Mad American]

A few points from the article conveniently left out of O really's post:

Honeycutt has four dogs and has been involved in canine training,

A sign at Catawba Falls urges people to keep their pets under physical restraint at all times. Schulman said the dogs were not on a leash....

The article is even headed with a photo of the sign. However, I'm not surprised at the typical responses here. We are all supposed to wait and see what might happen. Never mind that it would only have taken a matter of seconds for one of Honeycutt's children to have been scarred for life or worse.

[O Really]

There's a shooting range I go to in Tampa that, like most, has some extensive rules on guns on their premises. For example, no concealed carry; no open carry, either. All guns must be in a bag or case except when actually on a lane in the range. If you want to change lanes, unload your piece, bag it, and move to the other lane. If you want the gunsmith to look at your piece, either get him out to the range or bag the piece and take it to him. No muzzle loaders; no shotguns firing anything but buckshot or slugs. etc. etc. Violators may be warned, or simply booted. If you're booted and don't go, they call the cops and since you are armed, you find yourself with a felony trespassing charge (maybe). Sounds pretty reasonable to most, I'd think. It's enforcement of fundamental good practices for the safety of the members, guests, and staff, right?

But if they limited the rights of property/business owners to control firearms on their own premises, as the poster formerly known as Nascar wanted to do - if you tell an office business or a restaurant they can't put up a "No Firearms" sign at their door, then you're also limiting the ability of the shooting range to control firearms on its property. Anybody want to go to a range where it's OK for somebody to buy a gun, go to shoot it for the first time and bring it in loaded, waving it around everywhere?

[O Really]

A few points from the article conveniently left out of O really's post:

Honeycutt has four dogs and has been involved in canine training,

A sign at Catawba Falls urges people to keep their pets under physical restraint at all times. Schulman said the dogs were not on a leash....

The article is even headed with a photo of the sign. However, I'm not surprised at the typical responses here. We are all supposed to wait and see what might happen. Never mind that it would only have taken a matter of seconds for one of Honeycutt's children to have been scarred for life or worse.

I didn't leave anything out - I linked to the entire article. Who cares whether he has dogs or has "been involved" in canine training. Find a reputable trainer that says he responded reasonably.

K9? You there?

[Leo Lyons]

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[Mad American]

A few points from the article conveniently left out of O really's post:

Honeycutt has four dogs and has been involved in canine training,

A sign at Catawba Falls urges people to keep their pets under physical restraint at all times. Schulman said the dogs were not on a leash....

The article is even headed with a photo of the sign. However, I'm not surprised at the typical responses here. We are all supposed to wait and see what might happen. Never mind that it would only have taken a matter of seconds for one of Honeycutt's children to have been scarred for life or worse.

I didn't leave anything out - I linked to the entire article. Who cares whether he has dogs or has "been involved" in canine training. Find a reputable trainer that says he responded reasonably.

K9? You there?

OK lets call it "convenient editing" on your part. You wasted no effort in providing direct quotes from the article that you thought made Honeycutt look bad. So the folks providing canine training to our law enforcement officers are not "reputable"????

[O Really]

So the folks providing canine training to our law enforcement officers are not "reputable"????

Maybe you know the guy or know something more about him than was in the article, but the article said nothing about any training he had received as a law enforcement officer, nor that he was involved in training law enforcement dogs. Damn, it's a good thing mail carriers carry pepper spray instead of guns. There'd be dog carcasses all over the city.

But actually my original point wasn't whether I thought the shooter was a hot-head jerk (which I do, but that's just my personal opinion), it was that if a trained deputy responds that way to a perceived threat, why would we expect better from amateur armed guards and teachers in a school.

[Leo Lyons]

I don't have anyhing to add to this thread..

I changed my mind.

FYI: If you can safely pick up a rock or pretend to pick up a rock, it's a signal that almost all dogs know and will run away from, no need to throw it. I have never been hurt or seriously threatened by a dog that was not on its own property, ever.

Oh yeah, pretend you're gonna pick up a rock.... :-0?>

You may not have been seriously threatened in the above scenario, so I'll ask you, have you ever been seriously threatened by a four-legged buzz-saw full of teeth? I have; most were not on their own property. You don't wait and see what might happen, you take steps to protect yourself, even if it means deadly force. The circumstances surrounding the dog's shooting are rather sketchy; it's he said/he said, he did/he did. A law enforcement officer has to make hair trigger decisions, many that deem him/her to be (according to O Really) an asshole.

Remember the case of the fat deputy that shot the family dog belonging to a family in Saluda a few years back? Now that was a case of assholelitis. The entire scenario was fraught with stupidity, from the initial stop to the killing of the dog. I looked at that video over and over, imagining myself the officer in that case. The dog bounded happily out of the car with it's tail wagging, probably relieved to be out of the confines of the car for a moment, only to be shot down by an idiot wielding a gun who probably pissed his pants when the dog jumped out. He apparently had no training to recognize a dogs intent.

Anyway, I've shot many dogs in my career, but none that ran toward me in a bound with it's tail wagging happily. Every dog growled at me menacingly before charging. (they charge no more) I had no time to pretend I was going to throw a rock.

[rstrong]

I don't have anyhing to add to this thread, but I did want to offer my assistance to Mike in case he needed to rid himself of that signature that must be irritating the hell out of him:

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Good luck with that.





That Palin tattoo will look even worse as the hair on his arm grows back.

[Mad American]

Maybe you know the guy or know something more about him than was in the article, but the article said nothing about any training he had received as a law enforcement officer, nor that he was involved in training law enforcement dogs.

From YOUR article:

Honeycutt has four dogs and has been involved in canine training, Duncan said.

That would be Van Duncan...you know the Sheriff of Buncombe county making that statement. So, if Honeycutt was not trained as a law enforcement officer what was Duncan speaking of...training as a carpenter?? I thought you had better smarts than that. I was obviously mistaken!