Gun Legislation

[O Really]

That would be Van Duncan...you know the Sheriff of Buncombe county making that statement. So, if Honeycutt was not trained as a law enforcement officer what was Duncan speaking of...training as a carpenter?? I thought you had better smarts than that. I was obviously mistaken!

I'm sorry not to be so smart as you...and obviously don't have the same level of imagination. No matter who said it, whether Duncan in lower case or DUNCAN in upper case, he didn't say anything about Honeycutt's dog training in an official capacity.

[Mad American]

That would be Van Duncan...you know the Sheriff of Buncombe county making that statement. So, if Honeycutt was not trained as a law enforcement officer what was Duncan speaking of...training as a carpenter?? I thought you had better smarts than that. I was obviously mistaken!

I'm sorry not to be so smart as you...and obviously don't have the same level of imagination. No matter who said it, whether Duncan in lower case or DUNCAN in upper case, he didn't say anything about Honeycutt's dog training in an official capacity.

Yeah OK....so the Sheriff is going to make an on the record statement that one of his deputies had "been involved in canine training" but that statement doesn't mean in an "official capacity"....RIIIIGGGHHHTTT It's not imagination...it's called common sense. Something you obviously lack!

[Mad American]

You are confused, Mad American. All we know from the article is that Honeycutt received canine training, not that he was a good student and definitely not, as you erroneously posted, that he is a trainer.

OK lets call it "convenient editing" on your part. You wasted no effort in providing direct quotes from the article that you thought made Honeycutt look bad. So the folks providing canine training to our law enforcement officers are not "reputable"????

We haven't heard from any of them, it's "convenient" speculating on your part. You waste no effort in providing unsupported supposition to make Honeycutt look good. We all know that all instructors have failed students.

Nice spin vrede but I never claimed that Honeycutt was a trainer. We have already established that Honeycutt received training. A point that you just admitted. It is a safe assumption that he received that training as a part of his official duties, as it was verified by Sheriff Duncan. So whoever delivered that training was delivering it to law enforcement officers and are those trainers not "reputable"? Do try to keep up or are you just intentionally spinning and trying to put words in peoples mouths again?

[Mad American]

You are still confused, Mad American. You did erroneously post that we've heard from "the folks providing canine training to our law enforcement officers"

Wrong again vrede. For your above statement to be true I would have had to make a statement. I asked a question. Keep spinning (lying in this case) though...or provide a quote where I stated that "we've heard from the folks providing canine training to out law enforcement officers"

[O Really]

Maybe we've got a clue... according to Karen Fazio, a professional dog trainer and owner of My Best Friend Dog Training and the Dog Super Nanny, after providing several suggestions on dealing with an aggressive dog, she concludes:

"Never confront the animal, become angry or resort to violence. This could incite the animal and result in serious injury." (Unless of course you've been trained by the Sheriff)

[O Really]

Yeah OK....so the Sheriff is going to make an on the record statement that one of his deputies had "been involved in canine training" but that statement doesn't mean in an "official capacity"....RIIIIGGGHHHTTT It's not imagination...it's called common sense. Something you obviously lack!

And if the gun-happy fool had actually been involved with a K-9 unit do you think the Sheriff wouldn't have said so? Would have made a lot stronger case for his knowing what he was doing.

[Mad American]

Yeah OK....so the Sheriff is going to make an on the record statement that one of his deputies had "been involved in canine training" but that statement doesn't mean in an "official capacity"....RIIIIGGGHHHTTT It's not imagination...it's called common sense. Something you obviously lack!

And if the gun-happy fool had actually been involved with a K-9 unit do you think the Sheriff wouldn't have said so? Would have made a lot stronger case for his knowing what he was doing.

I doubt Honeycutt had been "involved with a K-9 unit", there is probably a policy against that. He may or may not have been attached to the K-9 squad, that is a moot point however. One does not need to be a part of any of the specialty squads/teams to receive the training. Knowing what you are talking about would have made a lot stronger case for your argument. So are you going to continue to hang your argument on law enforcement K-9 trainers are not "reputable"?

[O Really]

So are you going to continue to hang your argument on law enforcement K-9 trainers are not "reputable"?

Whatever "training" he got, if any, is irrelevant. I don't care if he was the officer in charge of the K-9 unit. In this particular incident, in my personal opinion, he acted inappropriately. But my point isn't even about him - it's about comparing the idiot behavior of a trained LEO with what we could expect if there were amateur guards and armed teachers in all the schools. He was afraid of the dog; he rejected or didn't consider alternatives; he went for his gun.

[Mad American]

So are you going to continue to hang your argument on law enforcement K-9 trainers are not "reputable"?

Whatever "training" he got, if any, is irrelevant. I don't care if he was the officer in charge of the K-9 unit. In this particular incident, in my personal opinion, he acted inappropriately. But my point isn't even about him - it's about comparing the idiot behavior of a trained LEO with what we could expect if there were amateur guards and armed teachers in all the schools. He was afraid of the dog; he rejected or didn't consider alternatives; he went for his gun.

"Irrelevant"??? BWAAAHAAAA You are getting to be almost as good at the spin as vrede. Of course, the training must be irrelevant to you, because it flies in the face of "your personal opinion". Fill you in on a little secret....opinions are like assholes...everybody has one..and yes yours stinks too. Your disdain for law enforcement, a man protecting his children, and your refusal to answer a simple question are all duly noted.

[GoCubsGo]

So are you going to continue to hang your argument on law enforcement K-9 trainers are not "reputable"?

Whatever "training" he got, if any, is irrelevant. I don't care if he was the officer in charge of the K-9 unit. In this particular incident, in my personal opinion, he acted inappropriately. But my point isn't even about him - it's about comparing the idiot behavior of a trained LEO with what we could expect if there were amateur guards and armed teachers in all the schools. He was afraid of the dog; he rejected or didn't consider alternatives; he went for his gun.

"Irrelevant"??? BWAAAHAAAA You are getting to be almost as good at the spin as vrede. Of course, the training must be irrelevant to you, because it flies in the face of "your personal opinion". Fill you in on a little secret....opinions are like assholes...everybody has one..and yes yours stinks too. Your disdain for law enforcement, a man protecting his children, and your refusal to answer a simple question are all duly noted.

And Bow finally gets to the heart of it. Anything LEO does=good. All else must be wrong. No possibility this K9 trained deputy panicked and killed a 45 Lb. Border Collie mix? They are known to be so vicious.

[rstrong]

You are confused, Mad American. All we know from the article is that Honeycutt received canine training,...

How to kill them, apparently.

[homerfobe]

All this pissing and bitching over a friggin' dog. You all need to get a life; they're starting their liquidation sale at Kmart, get one now while they're a bargain. Don't forget the cryin' towels and Kleenex.

[Stinger]

All this pissing and bitching over a friggin' dog. You all need to get a life;

From one who bitches more than any three old queens.

[homerfobe]

If a dog, rather than a teacher, had tried to nuzzle homerfobe's crotch in Jr. High he would care more.

Some sort of fantasy of yours?

I posted about all your crying over a dog getting shot; you and Stink get all horny and post about football queens and dogs sniffing crotches. You're weird mf's.

[O Really]

You are confused, Mad American. All we know from the article is that Honeycutt received canine training, not that he was a good student and definitely not, as you erroneously posted, that he is a trainer.

Not to nitpick - OK, nitpicking it is - but what we got from the article is that the shooter "has been involved in canine training" That could include watching a demonstration of those vicious Border Collies herding ducks, or, as they are prone to do, herding guests around at a party.

[Mad American]

You are confused, Mad American. All we know from the article is that Honeycutt received canine training, not that he was a good student and definitely not, as you erroneously posted, that he is a trainer.

Not to nitpick - OK, nitpicking it is - but what we got from the article is that the shooter "has been involved in canine training" That could include watching a demonstration of those vicious Border Collies herding ducks, or, as they are prone to do, herding guests around at a party.

Yes, just like the Sheriff would say that a deputy had "been involved" in SERT, or SWAT training. You are splitting hairs in an effort to attempt to make your OPINION more valid. Aint gonna fly. Your disdain for law enforcement is again duly noted.

[GoCubsGo]

You are confused, Mad American. All we know from the article is that Honeycutt received canine training, not that he was a good student and definitely not, as you erroneously posted, that he is a trainer.

Not to nitpick - OK, nitpicking it is - but what we got from the article is that the shooter "has been involved in canine training" That could include watching a demonstration of those vicious Border Collies herding ducks, or, as they are prone to do, herding guests around at a party.

Yes, just like the Sheriff would say that a deputy had "been involved" in SERT, or SWAT training. You are splitting hairs in an effort to attempt to make your OPINION more valid. Aint gonna fly. Your disdain for law enforcement is again duly noted.

And you blind allegiance and ignorance that all LEO's are perfect human beings incapable of making a mistake is also noted.

[GoCubsGo]

I wonder why this "trained" deputy was not better equipped to deal with this vicious 45 Lb. Border Collie? Shoot it is your first option. Really?
You'd think it was a pit or doberman.

[O Really]

I wonder why this "trained" deputy was not better equipped to deal with this vicious 45 Lb. Border Collie? Shoot it is your first option. Really?
You'd think it was a pit or doberman.

Probably could have been a chihuahua and he's still have shot it. Why? Because he could and could get away with it.

[O Really]

You are confused, Mad American. All we know from the article is that Honeycutt received canine training, not that he was a good student and definitely not, as you erroneously posted, that he is a trainer.

Not to nitpick - OK, nitpicking it is - but what we got from the article is that the shooter "has been involved in canine training" That could include watching a demonstration of those vicious Border Collies herding ducks, or, as they are prone to do, herding guests around at a party.

Yes, just like the Sheriff would say that a deputy had "been involved" in SERT, or SWAT training. You are splitting hairs in an effort to attempt to make your OPINION more valid. Aint gonna fly. Your disdain for law enforcement is again duly noted.[/Iquote]
Oh wait...you think I care if you find my opinion, in either lower case or UPPER valid? Sorry...here's a quarter. Back to the point I had, if a trained officer responds like that, what better can we expect from amateur guards or armed teachers at a school.