Gun Legislation

[Ombudsman]

I'm starting to realize that MA's screen name is more apropos than even he is aware of. Something's seriously out of order in that guy's brain.

[Mad American]

I comprehend just fine...problem is you do not. Yes, I see your little point about the FBI, I saw it the FIRST TIME. However, if you will get your head out of your ass and look, I have not addressed that point at all in any of my subsequent posts. I"m having too much fun proving you an idiot for giving 2 of 3 examples that support my argument where mass shootings occurred in gun free or carry free zones!

[O Really]

Mad, your point on the "gun-free zones" would have more validity if the majority of people (or even a lot) regularly carried guns around except in "gun-free zones" and then left them at the door, as it were. But from a practical standpoint, practically everywhere in the US is largely a "gun-free zone" because a very low percentage of gun owners actually go around armed all the time. I'm thinking it's a better theory that schools are targets because they're schools - and the impact school killings have - than because they're "gun-free." Same with theatres and malls. If the shooter just wants to kill, he'll go where the crowd is. It doesn't matter if others in the crowd are armed or not, because he doesn't expect to survive anyway. If his killing intent is not random, then he'll go where the target is - to the employer's place of business, the home of the ex, wherever. Again, in most cases, we're not talking about a rational person who has an exit plan.

[Ombudsman]

I comprehend just fine...problem is you do not. Yes, I see your little point about the FBI, I saw it the FIRST TIME. I

Yet you chose to deflect by pretending I said something else. I'm sure you think that's clever.

[Mad American]

Mad, your point on the "gun-free zones" would have more validity if the majority of people (or even a lot) regularly carried guns around except in "gun-free zones" and then left them at the door, as it were. But from a practical standpoint, practically everywhere in the US is largely a "gun-free zone" because a very low percentage of gun owners actually go around armed all the time. I'm thinking it's a better theory that schools are targets because they're schools - and the impact school killings have - than because they're "gun-free." Same with theatres and malls. If the shooter just wants to kill, he'll go where the crowd is. It doesn't matter if others in the crowd are armed or not, because he doesn't expect to survive anyway. If his killing intent is not random, then he'll go where the target is - to the employer's place of business, the home of the ex, wherever. Again, in most cases, we're not talking about a rational person who has an exit plan.

I disagree. I think an accurate count of CCP's would need to be taken before your theory could have validity. I know several people who carry a gun regularly so I think there may be more concealed guns out there than you believe. You are correct a random shooter is going to go where the crowd is and has no expectations to survive. However, he still wants to inflict as much damage as possible. It has been proven time and again that type of shooter will usually commit suicide at the first sign of resistance. So, knowing A) the shooter desires as much damage as possible and B) he intends suicide and usually does so at the first sign of resistance...it just makes the most sense for that shooter to go where he KNOWS guns are prohibited.

[Ombudsman]

Let's try this again and see if he can avoid the urge to deflect with BS.

There have been 900 people killed in 186 mass shootings in the last seven years. Many more shot who survived. Are you claiming these all took place in gun free zones?

[O Really]

I know several people who carry a gun regularly so I think there may be more concealed guns out there than you believe. .

I'm sure you do. No surprise there. But look at it this way - I know several lawyers. But if every person with a law license in the US went around armed, it would still be a small percentage. Maybe that would be a good fact for you to research - what is the best credible guess of the percentage of people who always (or almost always) are armed, excluding cops (who are armed even in "gun-free zones"). Obviously, there is no totally accurate count, but since the NRA and others use this argument regularly, somebody must have an estimate.

[Mad American]

Let's try this again and see if he can avoid the urge to deflect with BS.

There have been 900 people killed in 186 mass shootings in the last seven years. Many more shot who survived. Are you claiming these all took place in gun free zones?

OK...one more time NO!!! I said all of the "latest headline grabbing mass shootings". Notice the word LATEST!

However, and again, since you brought it up, why don't you ask Susanna Hupp where her carry weapon was and why during the shooting at Luby's....and by the way Virgina Tech....it was a GUN FREE ZONE!

Let's see now if he can address the last part of that and avoid the urge to deflect with BS

[Crock Hunter]

So my statement that magazine swaps can be accomplished in fractions of a second by proficient ones (shooters) is bullshit? "Pure bullshit"???

Yea... it is Pure Bullshit. .. . . ..

Here is the Waveform for the 20 steady shots from your example.. ..





The Total Time is 14.5 secs and the time between shot 10 and shot 11 is .6 sec.


Here is the Waveform for the Magazine Change. .. .





The Total Time is 15.2 secs and the time between shot 10 and shot 11 is 2.6 sec.

The difference is overall time can't be considered as the timing between shots 1 and 10 and the shots 10 and 20 are meaningless (they were all about 0.6-0.7 sec) when it comes to magazine changes.. .i.e. the timing between shots could be 0.6 or 6 secs without affecting the time it takes to change the magazine. .. .

So... there are at least two things we can glean from this analysis. ..

1. A seasoned professional cannot accomplish a magazine change in fractions of a second.
B. You, like your claim, are Pure Bullshit. .. ..

I know this sort of video really wows you gun nuts but hopefully, now that I've pounded this bit of your nonsense up your ass, you won't be tempted to try and use such easily debunked and poorly refined BullShit again.

[Ombudsman]

Let's try this again and see if he can avoid the urge to deflect with BS.

There have been 900 people killed in 186 mass shootings in the last seven years. Many more shot who survived. Are you claiming these all took place in gun free zones?

I said all of the "latest headline grabbing mass shootings". Notice the word LATEST!

Oh okay so the last seven years don't count. Just the ones you want to talk about count. Got it. It's easy to live in that little world of yours when you get to cherry pick reality huh?

[Mad American]

I know several people who carry a gun regularly so I think there may be more concealed guns out there than you believe. .

I'm sure you do. No surprise there. But look at it this way - I know several lawyers. But if every person with a law license in the US went around armed, it would still be a small percentage. Maybe that would be a good fact for you to research - what is the best credible guess of the percentage of people who always (or almost always) are armed, excluding cops (who are armed even in "gun-free zones"). Obviously, there is no totally accurate count, but since the NRA and others use this argument regularly, somebody must have an estimate.

I doubt there is an estimate. However, uncertainty as to who may or not be armed can be and is a deterrent. That is the point regarding gun free zones. That uncertainty is removed, or definitely diminished, for the shooter.

[Wneglia]

Let's try this again and see if he can avoid the urge to deflect with BS.

There have been 900 people killed in 186 mass shootings in the last seven years. Many more shot who survived. Are you claiming these all took place in gun free zones?

Reference please. According to Mother Jones there have been 249 fatalities in 27 mass shootings in last 7 years in US, and 522 in past 30 years

Perhaps your numbers are world wide?

Mother Jones

[Ombudsman]

I know several people who carry a gun regularly so I think there may be more concealed guns out there than you believe. .

I'm sure you do. No surprise there. But look at it this way - I know several lawyers. But if every person with a law license in the US went around armed, it would still be a small percentage. Maybe that would be a good fact for you to research - what is the best credible guess of the percentage of people who always (or almost always) are armed, excluding cops (who are armed even in "gun-free zones"). Obviously, there is no totally accurate count, but since the NRA and others use this argument regularly, somebody must have an estimate.

I doubt there is an estimate. However, uncertainty as to who may or not be armed can be and is a deterrent. That is the point regarding gun free zones. That uncertainty is removed, or definitely diminished, for the shooter.

Oh okay so the gun nut position is that these mass murders are only carried by crazy people yet we're supposed to believe these crazy people are sensible enough to be deterred by the possibility of a CWP. Makes perfect sense.

[Mad American]

So... there are at least two things we can glean from this analysis. ..

Crock is a computer genius with a LOT of time on his hands

1. A seasoned professional cannot accomplish a magazine change in fractions of a second.
B. You, like your claim, are Pure Bullshit. .. ..

Crock is also a coward who did NOT touch the other two videos

I know this sort of video really wows you gun nuts but hopefully, now that I've pounded this bit of your nonsense up your ass, you won't be tempted to try and use such easily debunked and poorly refined BullShit again.

If the overall difference in actually sending 20 round down range is .7 seconds then why the liberal outcry about magazine size?? After all it is the "number of bullets that can fired" that is the problem right? Now care to take your computer skills and time out the other two videos coward or are you afraid that you and all your high tech gadgetry can't prove those wrong?

[Mad American]

Let's try this again and see if he can avoid the urge to deflect with BS.

There have been 900 people killed in 186 mass shootings in the last seven years. Many more shot who survived. Are you claiming these all took place in gun free zones?

I said all of the "latest headline grabbing mass shootings". Notice the word LATEST!

Oh okay so the last seven years don't count. Just the ones you want to talk about count. Got it. It's easy to live in that little world of yours when you get to cherry pick reality huh?

Notice the deflection away from Susanna Hupp and Virginia Tech!

[Ombudsman]

Let's try this again and see if he can avoid the urge to deflect with BS.

There have been 900 people killed in 186 mass shootings in the last seven years. Many more shot who survived. Are you claiming these all took place in gun free zones?

Reference please. According to Mother Jones there have been 249 fatalities in 27 mass shootings in last 7 years in US, and 522 in past 30 years

Perhaps your numbers are world wide?

Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

[Ombudsman]

Let's try this again and see if he can avoid the urge to deflect with BS.

There have been 900 people killed in 186 mass shootings in the last seven years. Many more shot who survived. Are you claiming these all took place in gun free zones?

I said all of the "latest headline grabbing mass shootings". Notice the word LATEST!

Oh okay so the last seven years don't count. Just the ones you want to talk about count. Got it. It's easy to live in that little world of yours when you get to cherry pick reality huh?

Notice the deflection away from Susanna Hupp and Virginia Tech!

No deflection. It simply isn't relevant. It's an example of your cherry picking. You only want to discuss the single incidents that work in your favor and ignore the rest. Just because you want to run down a rabbit trail doesn't mean I'm going to follow you. Besides I thought you were only interested in the most recent "attention grabbing headlines." Hupp's parents were shot in 1991.

[Ombudsman]

So... there are at least two things we can glean from this analysis. ..

Crock is a computer genius with a LOT of time on his hands

Yes he is a genius but posting a screen shot takes all of about ten seconds if you're not an idiot.

[Crock Hunter]

Crock is a computer genius with a LOT of time on his hands

I don't doubt for a moment that it would have taken YOU a lot of time... me? about 10 mins to do the analysis and post the pics..

As for Time on your Hands... .
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Facts have never been the far-right extremist's friend.. .. .

[Crock Hunter]

Crock is also a coward who did NOT touch the other two videos

Had another minute so I took a look at the other two videos.. .. (never want to miss an opportunity to bust another gun nut assumption)

The dark skinned guy came in at 1.3 Secs and Travis did it in 1.1 Secs.. .. . .. .. .

And You remain for all to see... Full of shit. . . .