Gun Legislation

[Crock Hunter]

Yes he is a genius but posting a screen shot takes all of about ten seconds if you're not an idiot.

LOL... hardly.. but I'm not an idiot either.. that alone disqualifies me for membership in MA's He-man Fact Haters Club. .

To me it's hard to believe that he never bothered to check the videos but then blind acceptance is the hallmark of a far-right nitwit.. .. I'm guessing that MA to this day really believes his GrandDad was pulling quarters out of his ears..

[Ombudsman]

I'm guessing that MA to this day really believes his GrandDad was pulling quarters out of his ears..

I'm guessing he had more of a "pull my finger" kind of granddad.

[O Really]

I doubt there is an estimate. However, uncertainty as to who may or not be armed can be and is a deterrent. That is the point regarding gun free zones. That uncertainty is removed, or definitely diminished, for the shooter.

OK, so we don't know how many actually go around armed. But we do know how many CCP's there are. As of January of this year, there were 1,025,654 in Florida, or about 5.3% of the population. To make it simple, we'll forget that we know that a lot of those are out of state people. In North Carolina, there were 228,072, or about 2.3% of the population. You can filter for only those over 18, or only males, and get higher percentages, but the fact remains that even if all of those with CCP actually carried guns around all the time, you've still got mostly "gun-free zones" everywhere. We do know that not everyone actually carries all the time just because they have a CCP.

[Boatrocker]

Stupid fuck. I can link you to a video of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. So what? Were you born this dumb, or is there a special trailer trash school you went to to enhance the stupidity?

AND there it is folks...the triple down on dumbass! Listen up fuck stick.....don't like my videos go watch some of the rapid fire pistol competitions, go ask any number of the experts, or I can go find hundreds more videos that prove your ignorance and the fact that you are too gutless to admit that you just had your sorry ass handed to you on a silver video tape. Whatever you do, you can do it after you take a flying kiss at my ass and go fuck yourself.

Go away for the weekend and the wingnuts ramp up the pure damn dumbassery. Amazing how they think all Youtube vids are documentaries. But then, they are the same goldfish brains who equate emoticons with biting commentary. Anyway . . .
Since they can't put stuff on the internet, including Youtube, if it's not true, check out:

Eagle Steals Baby!

Plane Lands With One Wing!

[O Really]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04 ... n-car?lite

This is awful - Sheriff gets shot in his car. Ridiculous they won't arm Sheriffs. Damn gun-free zones. If the Sheriff had been armed I bet that never would have happened. Oh wait.

[bannination]

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/p ... -gun-laws/

Bowhntr:

I'm beginning to hear a rumble, and that rumble is the stirring of red blooded Americans that refuse to stand for stupidity, ignorance, and the trampling of The Constitution. If the libtards continue down this path they can kiss control of every state house where BS like this is passed, and The Senate in DC good bye. True AMERICANS are watching now!!!!

I think true Americans would look up and see if she just simply misspoke. I mean, going nuts over a gaffe..... wow.... I guess that's why they're nutjobs.

[O Really]

And yet...they never can seem to come up with any cites showing that restriction of a particular type or model of firearm or ammunition magazine type or requirement for background checks is a "trampling of the Constitution" can they?

[O Really]

Man, they've just got to pass some law to get the police armed. They're like sitting ducks out there without guns. Damn gun-free zones. If anybody had been armed, this member of Jackson, MS, finest wouldn't be dead... oh wait...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ ... story.html

[O Really]

So at Enka High School, several students got into a fight. A female teacher intervened and generally got her own ass kicked, resulting in significant injury and serious charges for the students. http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20 ... High-fight

So suppose the teacher had been armed. Would she have shot the students? Would another armed teacher have shot them? Does the school give any instructions to teachers regarding student fights? If she had shot the students, would "stand your ground" been a viable defense? Or would the fact that they were unarmed yet violent make a difference and she might have been charged herself? Was she actually attacked, or did she voluntarily enter the fray and lose her "self defense" argument? Or could she claim she was defending the runt of the fighting litter?

Yeah...give 'em all guns. That'll fix everything.

[bannination]

Here's the solution for one College; arm your students.

I predict bad things.


Liberty University Loosens Guns On Campus Rules To Allow Concealed Carry In Classrooms

I image the percentage of those that actually do will be very low. Still, I can't imagine having that many accessible firearms in college.... I would not be attending there. (Not that I would have anyway.)

[Stinger]

Senator Coburn chastises young (and dumb) whippersnapper Paul.

Senator Coburn (R-OK) bristled at the idea that Mr. Paul would threaten to filibuster a bill before its contents were made final.
“Is that about filibustering a bill to protect the Second Amendment, or is that about Rand Paul?” Mr. Coburn said at a town-hall meeting at the Oklahoma Sports Museum in Guthrie, Okla., on Wednesday. “I’ve done more filibusters than Rand Paul is old,” Mr. Coburn said, but he added that he doesn’t announce such moves before he understands the bill.

Think Progress

[O Really]

Here's another one where somebody is outrageously careless and negligent, but they'll get off with an "opps" defense. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/09/us/te ... -wife.html

Note the passive voice used by the Sheriff, "the gun discharged." Or maybe that was active voice and it really is guns, not people, that kill people.

[Stinger]

So at Enka High School, several students got into a fight. A female teacher intervened and generally got her own ass kicked, resulting in significant injury and serious charges for the students. http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20 ... High-fight

So suppose the teacher had been armed. Would she have shot the students? Would another armed teacher have shot them? Does the school give any instructions to teachers regarding student fights? If she had shot the students, would "stand your ground" been a viable defense? Or would the fact that they were unarmed yet violent make a difference and she might have been charged herself? Was she actually attacked, or did she voluntarily enter the fray and lose her "self defense" argument? Or could she claim she was defending the runt of the fighting litter?

Yeah...give 'em all guns. That'll fix everything.

Most likely scenario: The gun would have been taken from her, and she and other students would have been killed.

[O Really]

Public shootings up - civilians with guns not stopping them...
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... picks=true

[Nihilo]

Public shootings up - civilians with guns not stopping them...
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... picks=true

I must beg to differ on the statistical validity of this conclusion by MJ. Relative to the total number of homicides each year, mass shootings are extremely rare.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/22774 ... -in-the-us

From the PolicyMic story -

.....In 2012, there were either 81 or 88 murdered in mass shootings, depending on your source. Less than 100 no matter, which source, is used. So if we assume high at 100 homicides from mass murder and assume low at 12,000 annual homicides that means that mass murders account for 0.0083 of all homicides, or a fraction of 1%.....

.....There are approximately 4,600 choking deaths every year. That's 46 times the number of mass murder deaths. Children's choking deaths number 1825, or more than 18 times the total number of mass murder deaths......

......According to the Insurance Journal, 200 people were killed by hitting deer with their cars. That's more than double the number of mass murder deaths......

As far as mass shootings increasing, some say otherwise -



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... re-common/

2012 was tragically high, but may not indicate a trend. If 2013 is much lower, will that be labelled a downward trend?

[Nihilo]

Another article from Mother Jones is clarifying the degree of the mass shooting problem, which I submit should not be used politically to push for gun control -

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... -full-data

This gives the a listing of mass shootings in the United States from 1982 to 2012. The total number of victims killed was 513 in 30 years.
Chicago, mentioned in the post above, had a reported 532 homicides in 2012 alone.

The measures that the U.S. Senate is debating will not fix the problem. No more gun "control" laws should be passed.

[O Really]

Public shootings up - civilians with guns not stopping them...
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... picks=true

I must beg to differ on the statistical validity of this conclusion by MJ. Relative to the total number of homicides each year, mass shootings are extremely rare.

The numbers are what they are, and might very well vary from source to source according to each researchers definitions. So one can say "mass shootings are extremely rare" and, in an universe of other events certainly are. Once can say such shootings have increased over the past X years, and also be correct. And of course there are a lot of events that occur more frequently than mass shootings or individual shootings. Mass shootings are a different crime from most murders, however, whether those murders are done by firearm, choking, or arsenic. And it's a problem that should be addressed.

[Nihilo]

Public shootings up - civilians with guns not stopping them...
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... picks=true

I must beg to differ on the statistical validity of this conclusion by MJ. Relative to the total number of homicides each year, mass shootings are extremely rare.

The numbers are what they are, and might very well vary from source to source according to each researchers definitions. So one can say "mass shootings are extremely rare" and, in an universe of other events certainly are. Once can say such shootings have increased over the past X years, and also be correct. And of course there are a lot of events that occur more frequently than mass shootings or individual shootings. Mass shootings are a different crime from most murders, however, whether those murders are done by firearm, choking, or arsenic. And it's a problem that should be addressed.

Again I repeat, mass shootings are approximately 0.83% of all homicides, hardly the statistical basis for the legislative efforts that are ongoing today. Should publicity rather than facts drive our actions?

An emotional response is natural in dealing with such tragedies, but rarely does it make for good policy. Our government was structured originally to resist such passions by making legislative change slow and difficult. Unfortunately today, emotionalism rather than critical thinking prevails in the world of the 24/7 news cycle.

Gun control is not the answer.

[O Really]

Again I repeat, mass shootings are approximately 0.83% of all homicides, hardly the statistical basis for the legislative efforts that are ongoing today. Should publicity rather than facts drive our actions?

r.

"Publicity" or public awareness or public attention quite frequently drives action. But mass shootings are only one (and statistically small) part of the problem. You're new here (unless you're a reincarnation of somebody else), but you'll find that I am not anti-gun, am a gun owner and have had more training than probably most civilians you run into. But it's time for a comprehensive program to change the culture, not just curtail sales of a few firearms or equipment.

[O Really]

I generally agree with Nihilo that fact, analysis, and careful thought should drive legislation. However, those affected by tragedies like Newtown are not the only ones using emotion rather than fact. The entire NRA message is one of irrational fear and paranoia. If we could get the NRA (or maybe just the current leadership) out of the picture, the rest of us - gun owners and non-gun owners alike - could probably make some progress in ways most everyone could live with.