2024 Election Results....Here We Go!

[Vrede too]

Does it make it better or worse that he also won the popular vote? .

At least we know what America's values are now without question.

Far worse. The popular vote was something we could rely on and hold over him until now.

The US Senate has flipped RepuQ - sorry about MT - and the House ain't looking good. There will be no branch of govt to restrain Putin, oops I mean Trump.

[GoCubsGo]

I honestly thought we had evolved more as a nation.

Turns out the lessons of 2016 went unlearned.

A great percentage are still mostly misogynistic.

A great percentage are still mostly racist.

A great percentage are lazy and uninformed, believing a 30 second sound bite or slogan rather than taking an additional 30 seconds to find out if a particular sound bite is truthful because the promise of immediate gratification apparently sells.

[Vrede too]

I’m not going to lie and say I’m disappointed. I thought Kamala would be horrible for our country. She was an embarrassment as far as presidential candidates go.

Congrats for the 3rd largest margin for Harris, Sen Hirono (D), and Rep Ed Case (D) or Jill Tokuda (D) and Hawaii Amendment 1 - "Repeals legislative power to restrict same-sex marriage."

But, as a reminder, I did not vote for Trump.

:thumbup: Other candidates 1.8%

[O Really]

I saw a really good essay on the lack of "progress" - I'll try to find it again. Bottom line, yes, that IS who we are.

[O Really]

I’m not going to lie and say I’m disappointed. I thought Kamala would be horrible for our country. She was an embarrassment as far as presidential candidates go.

But, as a reminder, I did not vote for Trump.

SHE was an embarrassment? Seriously?

[O Really]

Here's the article I mentioned: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 942805007/

But America chose the guy who cavalierly said he’d be a dictator for a day. Voters chose the guy who denounces our allies and cozies up to our enemies. Voters chose the guy who is an adjudicated rapist, a role model to none, an often-incoherent and always hate-fueled loon who has turned Americans against each other in ways I never thought possible.

Voters chose Trump. He won. Cruelty won. Bullying won.

And that’s who America is right now. We are Trump, and we will own every bit of the shameful and painful and embarrassing things he does. We are not "better than this." We lost the right to make that claim the moment the presidential race was called.

[Vrede too]

Here's the article I mentioned: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 942805007/

But America chose the guy who cavalierly said he’d be a dictator for a day. Voters chose the guy who denounces our allies and cozies up to our enemies. Voters chose the guy who is an adjudicated rapist, a role model to none, an often-incoherent and always hate-fueled loon who has turned Americans against each other in ways I never thought possible.

Voters chose Trump. He won. Cruelty won. Bullying won.

And that’s who America is right now. We are Trump, and we will own every bit of the shameful and painful and embarrassing things he does. We are not "better than this." We lost the right to make that claim the moment the presidential race was called.

Yup

California Ballot measures

Amendment 3. Repeals same-sex marriage ban.
Yes 61.1% 5,700,924
No 38.9% 3,635,475
AP estimate: 53% of votes in • Winner called: Nov. 6, 2024 at 1:30 a.m. ET.
:clap:

Proposition 6. Prohibits slavery and involuntary servitude.
No 54.9% 5,009,420
Yes 45.1% 4,112,224
AP estimate: 51% of votes in
No is leading :wtf:

Ex-MLB star Steve Garvey loses U.S. Senate race in California

:violin: Congrats, Sen-elect Adam Schiff!!!

[GoCubsGo]

Here's the article I mentioned: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 942805007/

But America chose the guy who cavalierly said he’d be a dictator for a day. Voters chose the guy who denounces our allies and cozies up to our enemies. Voters chose the guy who is an adjudicated rapist, a role model to none, an often-incoherent and always hate-fueled loon who has turned Americans against each other in ways I never thought possible.

Voters chose Trump. He won. Cruelty won. Bullying won.

And that’s who America is right now. We are Trump, and we will own every bit of the shameful and painful and embarrassing things he does. We are not "better than this." We lost the right to make that claim the moment the presidential race was called.

It's just so bizarre to me, we as a nation learn nothing. Historically we flip and flop based on dissatisfaction with the party we put in power. Trump did nothing but lose the House then the Senate and presidency in wave after wave of incompetence and discontentment. That's what will happen again if there's anything left of us.

Joe won by virtue of not being trump. People weren't happy with Joe, okay we had a viable alternative that wasn't Joe or trump.

Nope, because it worked out so well the first time? WTF?

[O Really]

Proposition 6. Prohibits slavery and involuntary servitude.
No 54.9% 5,009,420
Yes 45.1% 4,112,224
AP estimate: 51% of votes in
No is leading :wtf:

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Not really how it reads. Actually about making prisoners work.

[Vrede too]

Proposition 6. Prohibits slavery and involuntary servitude.
No 54.9% 5,009,420
Yes 45.1% 4,112,224
AP estimate: 51% of votes in
No is leading :wtf:

Not really how it reads. Actually about making prisoners work.

I wondered. I guess I would have to learn more about the campaign. Off the top of my head I object to forced labor for outside for-profit companies that pay prison labor - which we object to when it's China or Russia - pennies, well below even minimum wage. How did you vote and why?

[bannination]

Does it make it better or worse that he also won the popular vote? .

At least we know what America's values are now without question.

YES it makes it way worse. A felon won the popular vote. Incomprehensible.

America's values.....

[O Really]

The particular list of felonies is, IMNVHO, only a party foul in the vast number of reasons why no other civilized relatively free country would let him anywhere office.

[GoCubsGo]

Misogyny and racism rule!

[O Really]

I wondered. I guess I would have to learn more about the campaign. Off the top of my head I object to forced labor for outside for-profit companies that pay prison labor - which we object to when it's China or Russia - pennies, well below even minimum wage. How did you vote and why?

I voted to make them work. I think doing something productive or useful is good for the prisoners. And we're not talking about busting rocks here. for example:

Prison support
Inmates may work in food service, cleaning, laundry, or maintenance
Agriculture
Inmates may work on prison farms, raising livestock or maintaining equipment
Manufacturing
Inmates may work in facilities making license plates, furniture, or other products
Dangerous jobs
Inmates may be contracted to work in hazardous jobs like firefighting, electronics recycling, or rodeo clowning
Prisoners can learn valuable skills through their work assignments, such as construction, dog training, computer coding, and hospice care. These skills can help them transition back into their communities and reduce recidivism.
Inmates may also participate in programs like CALPIA, which offers accredited certification in areas like dental technology, food handling, and welding. The CAL PIA E2E program helps inmates prepare for the workplace after they are released by teaching them interview skills, resume creation, and how to use new technologies.

Now if the prop passed, it wouldn't necessarily mean there wouldn't be work available for those volunteering, but would eliminate work being required. I'm all for treating prisoners humanely, and actually believe there are a lot more appropriate punishments than prison for a lot of people in there. Nonetheless, I don't think requiring them to work is unreasonable.

[Vrede too]

I voted to make them work. I think doing something productive or useful is good for the prisoners. And we're not talking about busting rocks here. for example:

Prison support
Inmates may work in food service, cleaning, laundry, or maintenance
Agriculture
Inmates may work on prison farms, raising livestock or maintaining equipment
Manufacturing
Inmates may work in facilities making license plates, furniture, or other products
Dangerous jobs
Inmates may be contracted to work in hazardous jobs like firefighting, electronics recycling, or rodeo clowning
Prisoners can learn valuable skills through their work assignments, such as construction, dog training, computer coding, and hospice care. These skills can help them transition back into their communities and reduce recidivism.
Inmates may also participate in programs like CALPIA, which offers accredited certification in areas like dental technology, food handling, and welding. The CAL PIA E2E program helps inmates prepare for the workplace after they are released by teaching them interview skills, resume creation, and how to use new technologies.

Now if the prop passed, it wouldn't necessarily mean there wouldn't be work available for those volunteering, but would eliminate work being required. I'm all for treating prisoners humanely, and actually believe there are a lot more appropriate punishments than prison for a lot of people in there. Nonetheless, I don't think requiring them to work is unreasonable.

Again without having studied the issue - I don't have a problem with mandated education or work for govt endeavors, internal to the prison like laundry or external like making license plates. However, I do have a problem with making prisoners create value for for-profit companies. It's the worst of predatory capitalism.

[O Really]

Yeah as far as I know that's not the issue here.

Strangely, it looks like in a state where many complain about not making ends meet the raise in minimum wage from $15 to $18 may not pass. I voted for it. Allowing municipalities greater authority to enact rent control looks like it isn't passing either. Had a lot of big money behind the opposition to that one.

[Vrede too]

Yeah as far as I know that's not the issue here.

Strangely, it looks like in a state where many complain about not making ends meet the raise in minimum wage from $15 to $18 may not pass. I voted for it. Allowing municipalities greater authority to enact rent control looks like it isn't passing either. Had a lot of big money behind the opposition to that one.

I saw the former. I know that the increase has already been controversial there - fast food going out of business, etc. My default would be to vote for it, but I could be talked out of it.

Yeah, the latter is a shame. Housing prices are ridiculous and well-crafted and managed rent control can help with that.

[Jasmine]

I’m not going to lie and say I’m disappointed. I thought Kamala would be horrible for our country. She was an embarrassment as far as presidential candidates go.

But, as a reminder, I did not vote for Trump.

SHE was an embarrassment? Seriously?

In my view, she was a complete embarrassment.

Trump wasn’t a great candidate, either. If the Democrats had put up a half-decent candidate, he/she probably would have won.

I think the dems’ downfall can be traced to April 23, 2023. That’s the day that Biden announced his intention to seek re-election.

I had long said that Biden was in steep mental and physical decline. I often referred to him as a walking cadaver. But everyone in the Democratic Party (as well as the media) covered up for him and insisted that he was fine.

Fast-forward one year: Biden’s debate performance proved to the entire world that Biden wasn’t fine at all. So much so that the top dems forced him to drop out of the race. In his place, they subbed in Kamala - a cackling, inarticulate and opportunistic politician who is devoid of any substance and leadership ability. She was ill-equipped to take the baton, and then you add the fact that she only had about 100 days to campaign.

It is my belief that if Biden stepped aside early on and did not try to run again, the dems would have nominated a much more viable and electable presidential candidate. In effect, the party’s inability to be honest about Biden’s decline pretty much sealed their fate.

[GoCubsGo]

I’m not going to lie and say I’m disappointed. I thought Kamala would be horrible for our country. She was an embarrassment as far as presidential candidates go.

But, as a reminder, I did not vote for Trump.

SHE was an embarrassment? Seriously?

In my view, she was a complete embarrassment.

Trump wasn’t a great candidate, either. If the Democrats had put up a half-decent candidate, he/she probably would have won.

I think the dems’ downfall can be traced to April 23, 2023. That’s the day that Biden announced his intention to seek re-election.

I had long said that Biden was in steep mental and physical decline. I often referred to him as a walking cadaver. But everyone in the Democratic Party (as well as the media) covered up for him and insisted that he was fine.

Fast-forward one year: Biden’s debate performance proved to the entire world that Biden wasn’t fine at all. So much so that the top dems forced him to drop out of the race. In his place, they subbed in Kamala - a cackling, inarticulate and opportunistic politician who is devoid of any substance and leadership ability. She was ill-equipped to take the baton, and then you add the fact that she only had about 100 days to campaign.

It is my belief that if Biden stepped aside early on and did not try to run again, the dems would have nominated a much more viable and electable presidential candidate. In effect, the party’s inability to be honest about Biden’s decline pretty much sealed their fate.

You didn't answer the question.

Your answer was all about Biden.

[Jasmine]

I’m not going to lie and say I’m disappointed. I thought Kamala would be horrible for our country. She was an embarrassment as far as presidential candidates go.

But, as a reminder, I did not vote for Trump.

SHE was an embarrassment? Seriously?

In my view, she was a complete embarrassment.

Trump wasn’t a great candidate, either. If the Democrats had put up a half-decent candidate, he/she probably would have won.

I think the dems’ downfall can be traced to April 23, 2023. That’s the day that Biden announced his intention to seek re-election.

I had long said that Biden was in steep mental and physical decline. I often referred to him as a walking cadaver. But everyone in the Democratic Party (as well as the media) covered up for him and insisted that he was fine.

Fast-forward one year: Biden’s debate performance proved to the entire world that Biden wasn’t fine at all. So much so that the top dems forced him to drop out of the race. In his place, they subbed in Kamala - a cackling, inarticulate and opportunistic politician who is devoid of any substance and leadership ability. She was ill-equipped to take the baton, and then you add the fact that she only had about 100 days to campaign.

It is my belief that if Biden stepped aside early on and did not try to run again, the dems would have nominated a much more viable and electable presidential candidate. In effect, the party’s inability to be honest about Biden’s decline pretty much sealed their fate.

You didn't answer the question.

Your answer was all about Biden.

Well, O Really seemed to question my opinion that Kamala was an embarrassment. So I responded to that.

But if you want me to assess Trump as a candidate, the fact that I refused to vote for him should tell you all you need to know. As I have said before, I find him to be an egomaniac, a liar and pretty much a morally bankrupt individual. Unfortunately, I consider Kamala to be equally dishonest and equally morally bankrupt.

I wil no longer settle for voting for lesser evils. I want to vote for people that I feel good about.