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Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:56 pm
Yeah, but I still say the emphasis ought to be on his total ignorance and inexperience. Repugs don't care about domestic violence or general assholiness. Some consider it a badge of manliness.

And Susan Collins is one of the least reliable critters in the Senate.
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This is Trumpworld now, "ought to be" is irrelevant. Our wager is on who will be the first to drop out or get booted.
Understood. I just think it would be easier to get him booted on the unqualified instead of on the sleaziness.
KINO, Noem and Tulsi are qualified? Besides, you're today's winner, maybe. Relish it.
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No none of them are. And that's my point. Focus on something irrefutable instead of the he/she said.
I'm of the 'throw it all against the wall and see what sticks' philosophy. Goofy Gaetz wasn't booted because of his lack of qualifications.
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As expected. Hard to believe any judge would stay the executive order while appeals take place.

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You know that we are lurked. Good job, O Really. :x

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Susan Collins: ‘Troubling’ that Hegseth FBI report omitted key information

Pete Hegseth’s ex-sister-in-law alleges he was aggressive to second wife
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Damn, Petey may get rejected before KINO even gets his hearings.

Good on Murkowski, I believe the first Rupub to say, 'Hell no!'

It's funny, O Really, seems that everything stuck to the wall for Murkowski. She cites lack of qualifications, as you wish for, but also previous "management" of veteran nonprofits history, character, behavior and misogyny. GoLisaGo!
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Maybe - maybe Collins will grow a spine. I don't think she's up for reelection until after Trump's gone but she almost lost her seat last time over Boof.

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Maybe - maybe Collins will grow a spine. I don't think she's up for reelection until after Trump's gone but she almost lost her seat last time over Boof.
I'm pretty sure the old bat has said she won't run again. Not sure whether that makes her more or less likely to reject Petey.
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One must admit she has been an excellent tightrope walker for years.

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As expected. Hard to believe any judge would stay the executive order while appeals take place.

Three days in he's acting like king he portends to be. As predicted there's no one around him to tell him no and the states and courts are the last bastion.

So, what if anything will be a bridge too far for his staff, administration or congresscritters? We did find out in round 1 when the Pentagon, staffers and DoJ finally did push back.
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As expected. Hard to believe any judge would stay the executive order while appeals take place.

https://x.com/yashar/status/1882498520365588607
:headscratch: Contradictory? Did you mean "wouldn't"? Dozens of lawsuits have been filed and some judge was certain to stay the executive order.

I'm not even surprised that it was a Reagan judge. They weren't as bad as the modern RepuQ extremists. Probably pisses off the MAGA bigots, though. Good.
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With the caveat that Trump's courts could do anything no matter how ridiculous it may be, I'd say this one is deader than an armadillo going east bound on the west bound 10. Their argument seems to be the "jurisdiction" term. Well of course the US has jurisdiction on anybody that not on diplomatic status. The US can grant or deny them visas, can arrest them for crimes, try them, out them in jail, let them out, send them back to wherever, yada. Why they think that will fly is beyond me.

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Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:54 pm
As expected. Hard to believe any judge would stay the executive order while appeals take place.

https://x.com/yashar/status/1882498520365588607
:headscratch: Contradictory? Did you mean "wouldn't"? Dozens of lawsuits have been filed and some judge was certain to stay the executive order.

I'm not even surprised that it was a Reagan judge. They weren't as bad as the modern RepuQ extremists. Probably pisses off the MAGA bigots, though. Good.
Unless I've got my legal terms backwards. To "Stay" the executive order would mean to leave it in place while appealed.

To "Stay" the judges ruling would mean that trump's executive order is set aside until the appeals are heard.
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Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:37 pm
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Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:54 pm
As expected. Hard to believe any judge would stay the executive order while appeals take place.

https://x.com/yashar/status/1882498520365588607
:headscratch: Contradictory? Did you mean "wouldn't"? Dozens of lawsuits have been filed and some judge was certain to stay the executive order.

I'm not even surprised that it was a Reagan judge. They weren't as bad as the modern RepuQ extremists. Probably pisses off the MAGA bigots, though. Good.
Unless I've got my legal terms backwards. To "Stay" the executive order would mean to leave it in place while appealed.

To "Stay" the judges ruling would mean that trump's executive order is set aside until the appeals are heard.
We can let O Really weigh in, but you do have your legal terms backwards.
stay 4 of 6 noun (2)

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a: the action of halting : the state of being stopped
b: a stopping or suspension of procedure or execution by judicial or executive order
It's not retention in legalese.
Federal Judge Temporarily Blocks Trump’s Executive Order Ending Birthright Citizenship
Several states sued the Trump administration over the order, arguing the 14th Amendment and Supreme Court case law have cemented birthright citizenship.


A federal judge on Thursday temporarily blocked President Donald Trump’s executive order redefining birthright citizenship, calling it “blatantly unconstitutional” during the first hearing in a multi-state effort challenging the order.

U.S. District Judge John Coughenour repeatedly interrupted a Justice Department lawyer during arguments to ask how he could consider the order constitutional. When the attorney, Brett Shumate, said he’d like a chance to explain it in a full briefing, Coughenour told him the hearing was his chance.
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... Coughenour, a Ronald Reagan appointee, began the hearing by grilling the administration’s attorneys, saying the order “boggles the mind.”

“This is a blatantly unconstitutional order,” Coughenour told Shumate. Coughenour said he’s been on the bench for more than four decades, and he couldn’t remember seeing another case where the action challenged was so clearly unconstitutional.
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... Trump’s order prompted attorneys general to share their personal connections to birthright citizenship. Connecticut Attorney General William Tong, for instance, a U.S. citizen by birthright and the nation’s first Chinese American elected attorney general, said the lawsuit was personal for him.

“There is no legitimate legal debate on this question. But the fact that Trump is dead wrong will not prevent him from inflicting serious harm right now on American families like my own,” Tong said this week....

“Stripping children of the ‘priceless treasure’ of citizenship is a grave injury,” the suit says. “It denies them the full membership in U.S. society to which they are entitled.”
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Only way Trump's getting a win on this one is if it comes up to Loose Cannon.

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Three days in he's acting like king he portends to be. As predicted there's no one around him to tell him no and the states and courts are the last bastion.

So, what if anything will be a bridge too far for his staff, administration or congresscritters? We did find out in round 1 when the Pentagon, staffers and DoJ finally did push back.
Any takers?

Is there a line?
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Consider this. The Trump administration is desiring for this to get to SCOTUS quickly just for guidance as to which direction to go legislatively. Does any change have to be by amendment or just a law?

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Maybe - maybe Collins will grow a spine. I don't think she's up for reelection until after Trump's gone but she almost lost her seat last time over Boof.
I'm pretty sure the old bat has said she won't run again. Not sure whether that makes her more or less likely to reject Petey.
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Thu Jan 23, 2025 3:14 pm
One must admit she has been an excellent tightrope walker for years.
Spineless and unprincipled would be another way to describe her tenure.
Senate advances Pete Hegseth as Trump's defense secretary, despite allegations

... Two Republicans, Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, broke ranks with Trump and his allies who have mounted an extensive public campaign to push Hegseth toward confirmation. The former combat veteran and Fox News host faces allegations of excessive drinking and aggressive actions toward women, which he has denied. The vote was 51-49, with a final vote on confirmation expected Friday....
:angry-banghead: Unlikely there will be a 3rd defection. It's a victory for misogyny and incompetence. :puke-left:

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Consider this. The Trump administration is desiring for this to get to SCOTUS quickly just for guidance as to which direction to go legislatively. Does any change have to be by amendment or just a law?
For over 100 years the answer was amendment according to SCOTUS and almost all legal scholars. This was just affirmed by the Reagan judge in Seattle. However, it depends on how wingnutty extreme and activist the illegitimate and corrupt DonOLD SCOTUS chooses to be. They could deem that legislation or even an EO is sufficient to overturn this core American tradition.
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Thu Jan 23, 2025 5:30 pm

Three days in he's acting like king he portends to be. As predicted there's no one around him to tell him no and the states and courts are the last bastion.

So, what if anything will be a bridge too far for his staff, administration or congresscritters? We did find out in round 1 when the Pentagon, staffers and DoJ finally did push back.
Any takers?

Is there a line?
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Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:18 am
Consider this. The Trump administration is desiring for this to get to SCOTUS quickly just for guidance as to which direction to go legislatively. Does any change have to be by amendment or just a law?
Seriously?

They can ask any second grader.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


The clause's meaning with regard to a child of immigrants was tested in United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898).[49] The Supreme Court held that under the Fourteenth Amendment, a man born within the United States to Chinese citizens who have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States and are carrying out business in the United States—and whose parents were not employed in a diplomatic or other official capacity by a foreign power—was a citizen of the United States. Subsequent decisions have applied the principle to the children of foreign nationals of non-Chinese descent.[

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