Heroes

[Jasmine]

The purpose of any company is to make a profit for it shareholders. The market decides what is "good" not a bunch leftist idealists.

I agree. To apply a sports analogy, the primary goal of a team is to win. It shouldn’t matter if all your players are black or white or yellow or brown. You put the best team together regardless of demographics. It’s about being the best.

This is why I always say that diversity is one of the most overrated concepts ever.

[O Really]

The purpose of any company is to make a profit for it shareholders. The market decides what is "good" not a bunch leftist idealists.

I agree. To apply a sports analogy, the primary goal of a team is to win. It shouldn’t matter if all your players are black or white or yellow or brown. You put the best team together regardless of demographics. It’s about being the best.

This is why I always say that diversity is one of the most overrated concepts ever.

I'd probably agree with you if you had said diversity is one of the most misunderstood concepts ever. So if most of your players are black and your only white guy is your highest scorer but the rest of the team calls him "honky" and "white trash" and "jimbobillybob", you'd probably speak with the team and get them to treat him like they treat each other, yes? That's diversity training. Not all of it, but an important part.

[Vrede too]

I agree. To apply a sports analogy, the primary goal of a team is to win. It shouldn’t matter if all your players are black or white or yellow or brown. You put the best team together regardless of demographics. It’s about being the best.

This is why I always say that diversity is one of the most overrated concepts ever.

That kind of thinking means no meaningful jobs for rainbow women like you.

[Jasmine]

The purpose of any company is to make a profit for it shareholders. The market decides what is "good" not a bunch leftist idealists.

I agree. To apply a sports analogy, the primary goal of a team is to win. It shouldn’t matter if all your players are black or white or yellow or brown. You put the best team together regardless of demographics. It’s about being the best.

This is why I always say that diversity is one of the most overrated concepts ever.

I'd probably agree with you if you had said diversity is one of the most misunderstood concepts ever. So if most of your players are black and your only white guy is your highest scorer but the rest of the team calls him "honky" and "white trash" and "jimbobillybob", you'd probably speak with the team and get them to treat him like they treat each other, yes? That's diversity training. Not all of it, but an important part.

No, I’d just get rid of the troublemakers. Being the best means more than just talent. It also means character and the ability to work within a team.

[Jasmine]

I agree. To apply a sports analogy, the primary goal of a team is to win. It shouldn’t matter if all your players are black or white or yellow or brown. You put the best team together regardless of demographics. It’s about being the best.

This is why I always say that diversity is one of the most overrated concepts ever.

That kind of thinking means no meaningful jobs for rainbow women like you.

Why would you say that? I can succeed on my own merit. I don’t need DEI. Never have.

[Vrede too]

I agree. To apply a sports analogy, the primary goal of a team is to win. It shouldn’t matter if all your players are black or white or yellow or brown. You put the best team together regardless of demographics. It’s about being the best.

This is why I always say that diversity is one of the most overrated concepts ever.

That kind of thinking means no meaningful jobs for rainbow women like you.

Why would you say that? I can succeed on my own merit. I don’t need DEI. Never have.

Riiight, you actually believe that rainbow women operate on a level playing field Well, maybe they do in an uber-diverse, progressive state like Hawaii. On behalf of the left, you're welcome.

As for your sports analogy, it took concerted effort against massive resistance over many years to integrate professional sports. It most certainly was NOT about putting "the best team together regardless of demographics". We're all fortunate that the forces of historic DEI mostly won. Even then it took several decades more for Blacks to be accepted as college and NFL QBs, and the near exclusive majority of owners, managers and head coaches are still White. Is that because only Whites were and are capable?

[Jasmine]

I agree. To apply a sports analogy, the primary goal of a team is to win. It shouldn’t matter if all your players are black or white or yellow or brown. You put the best team together regardless of demographics. It’s about being the best.

This is why I always say that diversity is one of the most overrated concepts ever.

That kind of thinking means no meaningful jobs for rainbow women like you.

Why would you say that? I can succeed on my own merit. I don’t need DEI. Never have.

Riiight, you actually believe that rainbow women operate on a level playing field Well, maybe they do in an uber-diverse, progressive state like Hawaii. On behalf of the left, you're welcome.

As for your sports analogy, it took concerted effort against massive resistance over many years to integrate professional sports. It most certainly was NOT about putting "the best team together regardless of demographics". We're all fortunate that the forces of historic DEI mostly won. Even then it took several decades more for Blacks to be accepted as college and NFL QBs, and the near exclusive majority of owners, managers and head coaches are still White. Is that because only Whites were and are capable?

I’m not sure why you keep labeling me as a “rainbow woman.” I just happen to like colors.

I agree that things are better now that sports are integrated. Like I said, it should always be about being the BEST.

The DEI movement has taken things too far with trying to force the inclusion of minorities including gays and transgenders. Its aims for diversity at the expense of quality.

[O Really]

Why would you say that? I can succeed on my own merit. I don’t need DEI. Never have.

Well, I hope you're old and have had a successful and happy life. If, on the other hand, you're youngish and have a lot of career ahead of you, I can tell you NOBODY actually succeeds on their own merit without some type of help/support. Ivy League grads rely on school ties, family connections, etc. that give them a much bigger leg up than anybody's DEI program (which btw isn't the same as affirmative action). Successful people in all industries find mentors, network their asses off, and rely on any connection or edge they can get. I suppose if you work for yourself and by yourself there are succeed-by-self-only jobs, but it certainly isn't typical.

[Vrede too]

I’m not sure why you keep labeling me as a “rainbow woman.” I just happen to like colors.

If you say so. You chose the rainbow motif. It's even organized in the ROYGBIV progression. Subconscious? Nttawwt.

I agree that things are better now that sports are integrated. Like I said, it should always be about being the BEST.

So DEI used to be a good thing?

The DEI movement has taken things too far with trying to force the inclusion of minorities including gays and transgenders. Its aims for diversity at the expense of quality.

Please provide specific examples of who has been forced. Good luck. As O Really implies the vast majority of DEI is removing barriers so that people can actually be judged on their merits rather than their demographics.

[GoCubsGo]

The purpose of any company is to make a profit for it shareholders. The market decides what is "good" not a bunch leftist idealists.

I agree. To apply a sports analogy, the primary goal of a team is to win. It shouldn’t matter if all your players are black or white or yellow or brown. You put the best team together regardless of demographics. It’s about being the best.

This is why I always say that diversity is one of the most overrated concepts ever.

So cheating is OK as long as you're winning?

If a corporation turns a higher profit while dumping toxic waste that's OK too?

"Leftist idealists" aren't limited to DEI.

[GoCubsGo]

Well, I hope you're old and have had a successful and happy life. If, on the other hand, you're youngish and have a lot of career ahead of you, I can tell you NOBODY actually succeeds on their own merit without some type of help/support. Ivy League grads rely on school ties, family connections, etc. that give them a much bigger leg up than anybody's DEI program (which btw isn't the same as affirmative action). Successful people in all industries find mentors, network their asses off, and rely on any connection or edge they can get. I suppose if you work for yourself and by yourself there are succeed-by-self-only jobs, but it certainly isn't typical.

You forgot nepotism.

[O Really]

Basically every woman who has professional positions in engineering, science, medicine, law, accounting got there because some person or organization in the past made an extra effort to give women an opportunity. Within the lifetime of some of us here, women were routinely denied entry to to schools, training programs and jobs - just because they were women. And if they were able to get the job, they earned way less. Think wage discrepancy is bad now? In 1955, women earned about a third of men. And it would still be that way if people hadn't engaged in some form of "DEI" (with a variety of different names, of course)

[Vrede too]

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It's a sad irony that you're griping about DEI on International Holocaust Remembrance Day.

[Jasmine]

Why would you say that? I can succeed on my own merit. I don’t need DEI. Never have.

Well, I hope you're old and have had a successful and happy life. If, on the other hand, you're youngish and have a lot of career ahead of you, I can tell you NOBODY actually succeeds on their own merit without some type of help/support. Ivy League grads rely on school ties, family connections, etc. that give them a much bigger leg up than anybody's DEI program (which btw isn't the same as affirmative action). Successful people in all industries find mentors, network their asses off, and rely on any connection or edge they can get. I suppose if you work for yourself and by yourself there are succeed-by-self-only jobs, but it certainly isn't typical.

I’ll turn 50 this year. Yes, I’d say I have a successful life, but my definition of “success” may be different than yours. And yes, I have had plenty of support from my family and especially my husband. We are by no means wealthy, but we are grateful for the life we have. It’s all a matter of perspective.

[Jasmine]

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It's a sad irony that you're griping about DEI on International Holocaust Remembrance Day.

I had no idea that was even a thing.

[GoCubsGo]

Basically every woman who has professional positions in engineering, science, medicine, law, accounting got there because some person or organization in the past made an extra effort to give women an opportunity. Within the lifetime of some of us here, women were routinely denied entry to to schools, training programs and jobs - just because they were women. And if they were able to get the job, they earned way less. Think wage discrepancy is bad now? In 1955, women earned about a third of men. And it would still be that way if people hadn't engaged in some form of "DEI" (with a variety of different names, of course)

Hey, it only took 50 years for them to be recognized.

[Supsalemgr]

The purpose of any company is to make a profit for it shareholders. The market decides what is "good" not a bunch leftist idealists.

Interestingly, generally companies that value diversity and equal opportunity (for real, not just a poster on the wall) find that they have lower turnover, better productivity, less organizational stress, avoid unions, have better employee engagement, and lower recruiting and retention costs.
But then somebody has to make it all red/blue political and people who couldn't spell "DEI" if you give them the first two letters are boycotting a company because of it.

And there shouldn't be anything "left" or "right" about treating employees fairly, with respect, and teaching other employees how to respect those who might be different from themselves.

I couldn't agree more. I worked for a company for over 40 years that practiced those values and it thrived.

[Vrede too]

Hey, it only took 50 years for them to be recognized.
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Hidden Figures: Cast

Taraji P. Henson as Katherine Goble Johnson, mathematician
Octavia Spencer as Dorothy Vaughan, mathematician and supervisor
Janelle Monáe as Mary Jackson, mathematician and engineer

Public Law No: 116-68 (11/08/2019)
Hidden Figures Congressional Gold Medal Act

(Sec. 3) This bill requires the Speaker of the House of Representatives and President pro tempore of the Senate to arrange for the presentation of

one Congressional Gold Medal to Katherine Johnson, in recognition of her service to the United States as a mathematician;
one Congressional Gold Medal to Dr. Christine Darden, for her service to the United States as an aeronautical engineer;
two Congressional Gold Medals in commemoration of the lives of Dorothy Vaughan and Mary Jackson, in recognition of their service to the United States during the Space Race; and
one Congressional Gold Medal in recognition of all the women who served as computers, mathematicians, and engineers at the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) between the 1930s and the 1970s.

Creola Katherine Johnson (née Coleman; August 26, 1918 – February 24, 2020)

President Barack Obama presents former NASA mathematician Katherine Johnson with the Presidential Medal of Freedom, as professional baseball player Willie Mays, right, looks on, Tuesday, Nov. 24, 2015, during a ceremony in the East Room of the White House in Washington.

Honoring NASA's Katherine Johnson, STEM Pioneer
November 30, 2015 at 10:37 AM ET by Knatokie Ford

Summary:
President Obama bestowed the Medal of Freedom to Johnson, a NASA mathematician who calculated and verified the travel trajectories that took the first Americans to space.

NASA - Katherine Johnson: A Lifetime of STEM

Dorothy Jean Johnson Vaughan (September 20, 1910 – November 10, 2008)

Dorothy Vaughan is one of NASA's Hidden Figures. She was the first black female Supervisor, working on the IBM machine. Inducted into the Langley Hall of Honor, June 1, 2017.

Mary Jackson (née Winston; April 9, 1921 – February 11, 2005)

1979 Portrait of Mary Jackson. 2017 Hall of Honor inductee. Langley Research Center NACA and NASA Hall of Honor. In honor and recognition of the ambition and motivation that enabled her career progression from human computer to NASA s first African-American female engineer, and subsequent career supporting the hiring and promotion of other deserving female and minority employees. (me: DEI by another name)

Idk why Vaughan and Jackson were not also awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Ask Barack.

Christine Darden (born September 10, 1942, as Christine Mann, age 82)

Christine Darden in the control room of NASA Langley's Unitary Plan Wind Tunnel in 1975.

Darden is one of the researchers featured in the book Hidden Figures: The American Dream and the Untold Story of the Black Women Mathematicians Who Helped Win the Space Race (2016), a history of some of the influential African-American women mathematicians and engineers at NASA in the mid-20th century, by Margot Lee Shetterly.

Idk why she doesn't appear in the movie. It's possibly because she:

... devoted much of her 40-year career in aerodynamics at NASA to researching supersonic flight and sonic booms....

Not on the spaceflight team?



More:

The Incredible Women of Hidden Figures

The Untold History of Women in Science and Technology
Listen to women from across the Administration tell the stories of their personal heroes across the fields of science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM). Share them yourself. Add your own. And honor their legacy by committing to encourage a young woman to pursue a career in science.
Thank you, Obama.

I'm sure there's much much more. This is just where surfing led me.

Whatever your race/s or career/s, Jasmine, you stand on the shoulders of women who went before you.

[Vrede too]

It's a sad irony that you're griping about DEI on International Holocaust Remembrance Day.

I had no idea that was even a thing.

Auschwitz survivors mark Holocaust Remembrance Day 80 years after liberation

World leaders and dozens of Holocaust survivors gathered Monday at the former site of the Auschwitz-Birkenau death camp in Poland to commemorate the 80th anniversary of its liberation by Soviet troops at the end of World War II. The ceremony is regarded as the likely last major observance of Auschwitz's liberation that any notable number of survivors will be able to attend, due to their advanced ages.

Among those who traveled to the site was 86-year-old Tova Friedman, who was 6 years old when she was among the 7,000 people liberated from Auschwitz on Jan. 27, 1945. She flew to Poland this month from her home in New Jersey.

"The world has become toxic," Friedman told the Associated Press. "I realize that we're in a crisis again, that there is so much hatred around, so much distrust, that if we don't stop, it may get worse and worse. There may be another terrible destruction."

Are MAGAts listening?

Nazi German forces murdered more than 1 million people at Auschwitz, a Nazi-run death camp built in a region of southern Poland under German occupation during World War II. Most of the victims were Jews, killed on an industrial scale in gas chambers. Germany's Nazi regime also targeted Poles, Roma, Soviet prisoners of war, gay people and disabled people for elimination....

A Reverse DEI program.

[neoplacebo]

The purpose of any company is to make a profit for it shareholders. The market decides what is "good" not a bunch leftist idealists.

I agree. To apply a sports analogy, the primary goal of a team is to win. It shouldn’t matter if all your players are black or white or yellow or brown. You put the best team together regardless of demographics. It’s about being the best.

This is why I always say that diversity is one of the most overrated concepts ever.

A little over a hundred years ago a DEI campaign resulted in you and other women being able to vote.

Reconstruction policies after the civil war were also a DEI campaign. The people who opposed it were the white elite. The opposition was so intense that Reconstruction only lasted a relatively short time. Then it took another hundred years before you saw Black people in law enforcement and in elected posisions. The big opposition to contemporary DEI efforts is being pushed by the same type people who opposed Reconstruction. And for the same reasons......to maintain their status at the top rung of society at the expense of everyone else. The resultant racial, social, and ethnic conflicts only serve to work to maintain that system.