Hunger Strike at Guantánamo

[Supsalemgr]

It is best these characters be removed from the US. It is my understanding this for the worst.

Ridiculous. The US does just fine at building mainland prisons that relatively few escape from, including for "the worst" criminals. Nothing is gained other than hiding human rights abuses, and the costs skyrocket in Cuba. Are you volunteering your retirement savings or are you just another 'tax and spend' con?

It is laughable when tax and spend leftists talk about saving taxpayer money.

[Vrede too]

It is best these characters be removed from the US. It is my understanding this for the worst.

Ridiculous. The US does just fine at building mainland prisons that relatively few escape from, including for "the worst" criminals. Nothing is gained other than hiding human rights abuses, and the costs skyrocket in Cuba. Are you volunteering your retirement savings or are you just another 'tax and spend' con?

He's just one of the millions of gullible fools that believe without question everything they see and hear on Fox News from the "open border" (US immigration law hasn't changed in decades) to "weaponized Justice Department" (something they are now actively trying to do in spite of the fact that ALL of the actions against trump are due to HIS OWN ACTIONS). Hilarious.

Point proven:

It is laughable when tax and spend leftists talk about saving taxpayer money.

Desperate deflection, as usual. It is laughable that the point of my post went sailing over SoupySales' head. The GQP never saves taxpayer money and only the densest of RepuQs still believes otherwise after decades of broken promises. For example DonOLD1 massively increased the deficit even before the pandemic, just like Reagan and Shrub had done. Rather, the GQP loves to throw endless money at the military and prison industrial complexes. This latest proposed Gitmo farce is both. Hilarious.

Deficit increases are longstanding Republican policy regardless of the health of the economy.

Dems = responsible tax and spend
Repugs = slacker borrow and spend

In reality:
Reagan/Bush - large deficit increase.
Clinton - deficits into surpluses.
Bush 2 - surpluses into deficits, only reduced the deficit 3 years out of 8.
Obama - reduced the deficit 5 years out of 8, kept it essentially stable one other year.
Trump and the GOP pre-coronavirus - increased the deficit yuuugely.
Biden - deficit reduction from Former PINO's level.
The pattern is clear.

Now, try answering the points raised and the question rather than posting another wimpy deflection.

[Supsalemgr]

It is best these characters be removed from the US. It is my understanding this for the worst.

Ridiculous. The US does just fine at building mainland prisons that relatively few escape from, including for "the worst" criminals. Nothing is gained other than hiding human rights abuses, and the costs skyrocket in Cuba. Are you volunteering your retirement savings or are you just another 'tax and spend' con?

He's just one of the millions of gullible fools that believe without question everything they see and hear on Fox News from the "open border" (US immigration law hasn't changed in decades) to "weaponized Justice Department" (something they are now actively trying to do in spite of the fact that ALL of the actions against trump are due to HIS OWN ACTIONS). Hilarious.

Point proven:

It is laughable when tax and spend leftists talk about saving taxpayer money.

Desperate deflection, as usual. It is laughable that the point of my post went sailing over SoupySales' head. The GQP never saves taxpayer money and only the densest of RepuQs still believes otherwise after decades of broken promises. For example DonOLD1 massively increased the deficit even before the pandemic, just like Reagan and Shrub had done. Rather, the GQP loves to throw endless money at the military and prison industrial complexes. This latest proposed Gitmo farce is both. Hilarious.

Deficit increases are longstanding Republican policy regardless of the health of the economy.

Dems = responsible tax and spend
Repugs = slacker borrow and spend

In reality:
Reagan/Bush - large deficit increase.
Clinton - deficits into surpluses.
Bush 2 - surpluses into deficits, only reduced the deficit 3 years out of 8.
Obama - reduced the deficit 5 years out of 8, kept it essentially stable one other year.
Trump and the GOP pre-coronavirus - increased the deficit yuuugely.
Biden - deficit reduction from Former PINO's level.
The pattern is clear.

Now, try answering the points raised and the question rather than posting another wimpy deflection.

Wasteful spending coming out of Washington is a bipartisan endeavor. Vrede does not understand his baiting techniques are fully comprehended and I choose not to play his game.

[Vrede too]

It is best these characters be removed from the US. It is my understanding this for the worst.

Ridiculous. The US does just fine at building mainland prisons that relatively few escape from, including for "the worst" criminals. Nothing is gained other than hiding human rights abuses, and the costs skyrocket in Cuba. Are you volunteering your retirement savings or are you just another 'tax and spend' con?

He's just one of the millions of gullible fools that believe without question everything they see and hear on Fox News from the "open border" (US immigration law hasn't changed in decades) to "weaponized Justice Department" (something they are now actively trying to do in spite of the fact that ALL of the actions against trump are due to HIS OWN ACTIONS). Hilarious.

Point proven:

It is laughable when tax and spend leftists talk about saving taxpayer money.

Desperate deflection, as usual. It is laughable that the point of my post went sailing over SoupySales' head. The GQP never saves taxpayer money and only the densest of RepuQs still believes otherwise after decades of broken promises. For example, DonOLD1 massively increased the deficit even before the pandemic, just like Reagan and Shrub had done. Rather, the GQP loves to throw endless money at the military and prison industrial complexes. This latest proposed Gitmo farce is both. Hilarious.

Deficit increases are longstanding Republican policy regardless of the health of the economy.

Dems = responsible tax and spend
Repugs = slacker borrow and spend

In reality:
Reagan/Bush - large deficit increase.
Clinton - deficits into surpluses.
Bush 2 - surpluses into deficits, only reduced the deficit 3 years out of 8.
Obama - reduced the deficit 5 years out of 8, kept it essentially stable one other year.
Trump and the GOP pre-coronavirus - increased the deficit yuuugely.
Biden - deficit reduction from Former PINO's level.
The pattern is clear.

Now, try answering the points raised and the question rather than posting another wimpy deflection.

As predicted, SoupySales is so easy:

Wasteful spending coming out of Washington is a bipartisan endeavor. Vrede does not understand his baiting techniques are fully comprehended and I choose not to play his game.

No one said otherwise about wasteful spending - wussy straw man.
The issue at hand is THIS proposed massive wasteful spending - the 34-time FELON creating a concentration camp at Gitmo. That is the fact that you cower from when challenged, and your whining about "baiting" is yet more cowering and deflection SoupySales does not understand that I count this as a win every time. Of course DonOLD's Gitmo idiocy is indefensible and that's what SoupySales keeps proving. Thanks.

[Supsalemgr]

It is best these characters be removed from the US. It is my understanding this for the worst.

Ridiculous. The US does just fine at building mainland prisons that relatively few escape from, including for "the worst" criminals. Nothing is gained other than hiding human rights abuses, and the costs skyrocket in Cuba. Are you volunteering your retirement savings or are you just another 'tax and spend' con?

He's just one of the millions of gullible fools that believe without question everything they see and hear on Fox News from the "open border" (US immigration law hasn't changed in decades) to "weaponized Justice Department" (something they are now actively trying to do in spite of the fact that ALL of the actions against trump are due to HIS OWN ACTIONS). Hilarious.

Point proven:

It is laughable when tax and spend leftists talk about saving taxpayer money.

Desperate deflection, as usual. It is laughable that the point of my post went sailing over SoupySales' head. The GQP never saves taxpayer money and only the densest of RepuQs still believes otherwise after decades of broken promises. For example, DonOLD1 massively increased the deficit even before the pandemic, just like Reagan and Shrub had done. Rather, the GQP loves to throw endless money at the military and prison industrial complexes. This latest proposed Gitmo farce is both. Hilarious.

Deficit increases are longstanding Republican policy regardless of the health of the economy.

Dems = responsible tax and spend
Repugs = slacker borrow and spend

In reality:
Reagan/Bush - large deficit increase.
Clinton - deficits into surpluses.
Bush 2 - surpluses into deficits, only reduced the deficit 3 years out of 8.
Obama - reduced the deficit 5 years out of 8, kept it essentially stable one other year.
Trump and the GOP pre-coronavirus - increased the deficit yuuugely.
Biden - deficit reduction from Former PINO's level.
The pattern is clear.

Now, try answering the points raised and the question rather than posting another wimpy deflection.

As predicted, SoupySales is so easy:

Wasteful spending coming out of Washington is a bipartisan endeavor. Vrede does not understand his baiting techniques are fully comprehended and I choose not to play his game.

No one said otherwise about wasteful spending - wussy straw man.
The issue at hand is THIS proposed massive wasteful spending - the 34-time FELON creating a concentration camp at Gitmo. That is the fact that you cower from when challenged, and your whining about "baiting" is yet more cowering and deflection SoupySales does not understand that I count this as a win every time. Of course DonOLD's Gitmo idiocy is indefensible and that's what SoupySales keeps proving. Thanks.

Just a reminder, a majority of American voters chose to dismiss the political charges as did I. But, please, feel free to keep hanging your hat on that lame excuse. You are free to call the Gitmo detention center a concentration camp if you choose. I think it is a brilliant idea.

[O Really]

I think it is a brilliant idea.

That says a lot.

[GoCubsGo]

It is laughable when talk about saving taxpayer money.

tax and spend leftists

Sit Ubu sit.

Good dog.

My god you are such a lemming.

[GoCubsGo]

Wasteful spending coming out of Washington is a bipartisan endeavor. Vrede does not understand his baiting techniques are fully comprehended and I choose not to play his game.

But cutting taxes massively for the wealthiest, increasing spending and increasing the deficit is purely a republican endeavor.

Trickle down fails again and again while lining the autocracies pockets.

USA!
USA!
USA!

[Supsalemgr]

I think it is a brilliant idea.

That says a lot.

Thank you

[Vrede too]

Just a reminder, a majority of American voters chose to dismiss the political charges as did I. But, please, feel free to keep hanging your hat on that lame excuse.

You desperate MAGAts just LIE and LIE. The "majority of American voters" voted AGAINST your idol. They weren't just "charges". It's 34 unanimous CONVICTIONS stemming from the ILLEGAL campaign spending to cover up affairs, thus making the narrow 75K across 3 key states 2016 minority "win" illegitimate.

You are free to call the Gitmo detention center a concentration camp if you choose. I think it is a brilliant idea.

Funny, we're this deep in the conversation and you're still COWERING from describing how the GITMO concentration camp would be superior to a mainland facility at a fraction of the cost. You declare that you're a blind cultist with every post. DonOLD makes you salivate with each STUPID pronouncement. Sad.

[Supsalemgr]

Just a reminder, a majority of American voters chose to dismiss the political charges as did I. But, please, feel free to keep hanging your hat on that lame excuse.

You desperate MAGAts just LIE and LIE. The "majority of American voters" voted AGAINST your idol. They weren't just "charges". It's 34 unanimous CONVICTIONS stemming from the ILLEGAL campaign spending to cover up affairs, thus making the narrow 75K across 3 key states 2016 minority "win" illegitimate.

You are free to call the Gitmo detention center a concentration camp if you choose. I think it is a brilliant idea.

Funny, we're this deep in the conversation and you're still COWERING from describing how the GITMO concentration camp would be superior to a mainland facility at a fraction of the cost. You declare that you're a blind cultist with every post. DonOLD makes you salivate with each STUPID pronouncement. Sad.

Please explain your math for this statement. If you are correct how did Trump win the popular vote and an overwhelming majority of the electoral votes.

Please hold onto those 34 convictions.

[Vrede too]

Just a reminder, a majority of American voters chose to dismiss the political charges as did I. But, please, feel free to keep hanging your hat on that lame excuse.

You desperate MAGAts just LIE and LIE. The "majority of American voters" voted AGAINST your idol. They weren't just "charges". It's 34 unanimous CONVICTIONS stemming from the ILLEGAL campaign spending to cover up affairs, thus making the narrow 75K across 3 key states 2016 minority "win" illegitimate.

You are free to call the Gitmo detention center a concentration camp if you choose. I think it is a brilliant idea.

Funny, we're this deep in the conversation and you're still COWERING from describing how the GITMO concentration camp would be superior to a mainland facility at a fraction of the cost. You declare that you're a blind cultist with every post. DonOLD makes you salivate with each STUPID pronouncement. Sad.

Please explain your math for this statement. If you are correct how did Trump win the popular vote and an overwhelming majority of the electoral votes.

Please hold onto those 34 convictions.

You Trumpettes are SO ignorant and lazy! DonOLD received 49.8% of the vote, which is a MINORITY. 1st grade arithmetic much? His 1.5% PLURALITY was a mile wide and an inch deep, one of the slimmest victory margins ever. English and recent history much? You RepuQs even LOST ground in the House, hence the ongoing chaos there. Haha.

Please hold onto that "political charges", it's pathetic.

Still COWERING and DEFLECTING from describing how a GITMO concentration camp would be superior to a mainland facility at a fraction of the cost. Pitiful but entertaining, cultist. Thank you.

[Jasmine]

I don’t see any drawbacks here. And the biggest plus is this: The harsher we treat these illegals, the less likely they’ll be inclined to come here illegally. And isn’t that the bottom-line goal?

It’s hard to feel sympathy for people who have no business being here to begin with.

[Vrede too]

I don’t see any drawbacks here. And the biggest plus is this: The harsher we treat these illegals, the less likely they’ll be inclined to come here illegally. And isn’t that the bottom-line goal?

It’s hard to feel sympathy for people who have no business being here to begin with.

Umm, as we've been discussing a big drawback is the HUGE cost of housing 30K in a Cuban concentration camp. Pay attention.

Thank you for having the honesty and spine that SoupySales lacks. You admit that you favor Gitmo so the immigrants will be abused, securely insulated from their families, most legal representation, the American public, US and international human rights law, and our free press tradition. It's funny that a libertarian con like you supports government secrecy and massively expensive fascism. Don't you see the contradiction?

[Jasmine]

I don’t see any drawbacks here. And the biggest plus is this: The harsher we treat these illegals, the less likely they’ll be inclined to come here illegally. And isn’t that the bottom-line goal?

It’s hard to feel sympathy for people who have no business being here to begin with.

Umm, as we've been discussing a big drawback is the HUGE cost of housing 30K in a Cuban concentration camp. Pay attention.

Thank you for having the honesty and spine that SoupySales lacks. You admit that you favor Gitmo so the immigrants will be abused, securely insulated from their families, most legal representation, the American public, US and international human rights law, and our free press tradition. It's funny that a libertarian con like you supports government secrecy and massively expensive fascism. Don't you see the contradiction?

A minor correction for you: I didn’t say I *FAVOR* putting them in Gitmo. I said I don’t see any drawbacks to it.

Whatever punishment we can deliver to them, I’m in favor of it. They’re criminals.

[Vrede too]

... It's funny that a libertarian con like you supports government secrecy and massively expensive fascism. Don't you see the contradiction?

A minor correction for you: I didn’t say I *FAVOR* putting them in Gitmo. I said I don’t see any drawbacks to it.

I've cited several. Response?

Whatever punishment we can deliver to them, I’m in favor of it. They’re criminals.

Mainland prisons deliver plenty of more cost-effective punishment than Gitmo would.

"Whatever" is an Rx for fascist abuse. You sure must love big government and its prison-industrial complex.

[O Really]

Whatever punishment we can deliver to them, I’m in favor of it. They’re criminals.

Let me offer a different perspective. First, if a person, documented or not, commits a crime I favor prosecution. However, I think most would agree that different crimes deserve different treatment and punishment and saying that all criminals are equal is certainly a false equivalency. And I'm not convinced that all these people ICE is rounding up really are criminals. Overstaying a legal entry isn't actually a crime. Illegal entry is, but the prescribed penalty for first offense is fines and up to six months in prison. Crossing the border without going through a proper gate in order to request asylum also isn't a crime.

Secondly, ignore the scary rhetoric about rapists and murderers and consider who is really coming in. The vast majority are looking for work, and looking to perform work that is essential to the US economy. Now a lot of people talk about leaving their country and going to chase candy rock mountain, but it takes a lot of nerve and determination to actually do so, particularly when you have such an arduous journey to get here and immediate hardships when you arrive. But they do it - seeking a better life for themselves and their families. So if you've got, say, a big farm, isn't that the type of person you'd like to hire? So does it make more sense to round these people up off their jobs and send them back somewhere, or maybe pass better immigration laws that allow non-citizens to work and maybe offer a more reasonable path to citizenship?

[GoCubsGo]

Ya gotta love it when the law and order wingnuts want to imprison these people without due process for a crime that is mostly a mother fucking misdemeanor.

Yet, let's let the January 6 criminals run free.

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/crim ... -presence/

[Supsalemgr]

Just a reminder, a majority of American voters chose to dismiss the political charges as did I. But, please, feel free to keep hanging your hat on that lame excuse.

You desperate MAGAts just LIE and LIE. The "majority of American voters" voted AGAINST your idol. They weren't just "charges". It's 34 unanimous CONVICTIONS stemming from the ILLEGAL campaign spending to cover up affairs, thus making the narrow 75K across 3 key states 2016 minority "win" illegitimate.

You are free to call the Gitmo detention center a concentration camp if you choose. I think it is a brilliant idea.

Funny, we're this deep in the conversation and you're still COWERING from describing how the GITMO concentration camp would be superior to a mainland facility at a fraction of the cost. You declare that you're a blind cultist with every post. DonOLD makes you salivate with each STUPID pronouncement. Sad.

Please explain your math for this statement. If you are correct how did Trump win the popular vote and an overwhelming majority of the electoral votes.

Please hold onto those 34 convictions.

You Trumpettes are SO ignorant and lazy! DonOLD received 49.8% of the vote, which is a MINORITY. 1st grade arithmetic much? His 1.5% PLURALITY was a mile wide and an inch deep, one of the slimmest victory margins ever. English and recent history much? You RepuQs even LOST ground in the House, hence the ongoing chaos there. Haha.

Please hold onto that "political charges", it's pathetic.

Still COWERING and DEFLECTING from describing how a GITMO concentration camp would be superior to a mainland facility at a fraction of the cost. Pitiful but entertaining, cultist. Thank you.

Oh my! I misstated majority by1.2%. I am so sorry to the brilliant one. Feel better now? Trump is still president.

[Vrede too]

Oh my! I misstated majority by1.2%. I am so sorry to the brilliant one. Feel better now? Trump is still president.

It's 0.3% for the majority that you and DonOLD falsely claim. Math much? "brilliant" compared to you is not something that I would ever brag about.

Adults are humble when they mess up. This is irresponsible passive-aggressive childishness, typical MAGAt.

Still COWERING and DEFLECTING from describing how a GITMO concentration camp would be superior to a mainland facility at a fraction of the cost. Pitiful but entertaining, cultist. Thank you.

Still.