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[Supsalemgr]

Sometimes it is necessary to destroy something in order to rebuild it.

Even if that's true, there's destruction with responsibility, and there's random mess. If your neighbor is replacing his house, would you rather him take it down piece by piece with wrecking balls and cranes, or would you find it better if he just blew it up, along with the houses next door?

Not the analysis I would use.

[O Really]

Sometimes it is necessary to destroy something in order to rebuild it.

Even if that's true, there's destruction with responsibility, and there's random mess. If your neighbor is replacing his house, would you rather him take it down piece by piece with wrecking balls and cranes, or would you find it better if he just blew it up, along with the houses next door?

Not the analysis I would use.

Of course not, because it doesn't fit your "must burn the village to save it" line of thinking.

[neoplacebo]

I obviously was not referring to essential parts of an airplane. It is outlandish costs of things like commodes, screwdrivers, screws, etc;.

You missed the point entirely. EVERY part of an aircraft is essential. Because of regulations. That in itself makes airplanes more expensive even though they are vastly less complex machines than a new car. Aircraft operate on basic physics....a difference in air pressure relative to the upper and lower surface of a wing. An engine enables a plane to achieve a speed at which this physics priniciple can be put into practical use. And in case you didn't know, commodes,, screwdrivers, and screws in general are not subject to such stringent requirements. You seem to be a couch expert based on what you see on Fox News. I'm not surprised. Do you know the difference in a grade 5 bolt and a grade 7 bolt? Or what the difference in cost is? Or why one would be specified over the other?

[neoplacebo]

Sometimes it is necessary to destroy something in order to rebuild it.

Sounds like the same policy we adopted (after installing two failed "governments") in South Vietnam. Yeah, let's double down on it. Idioit.

[Supsalemgr]

I understand addictions are difficult to break. Leftists are addicted to governmental control so seeing that situation changes is not easy.

[Whack9]

Sometimes it is necessary to destroy something in order to rebuild it.

Sounds like the same policy we adopted (after installing two failed "governments") in South Vietnam. Yeah, let's double down on it. Idioit.

I think the "something" he wants to see destroyed is the US constitution.

[Vrede too]

Sometimes it is necessary to destroy something in order to rebuild it.

Sounds like the same policy we adopted (after installing two failed "governments") in South Vietnam. Yeah, let's double down on it. Idiot.

I think the "something" he wants to see destroyed is the US constitution.

Spot on. Traitor.

No comment on your having been duped both by POTUS Elon and by Jasmine with the whole FEMA/migrants/"luxury hotels"/disaster money thing?
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Figures, it's your norm when exposed to undeniable facts. No wonder you worship the lifelong cowardly "bone spurs" Chickenhawk in Chief, you identify with him.

Anyhow, kudos for joining the team questioning Pentagon spending and "endless wars". I've literally been on it for decades. We'll see if POTUS Musk really does anything or whether it will be the same GQP impotence there's always been. Let me know if you have any questions.

Cower, SoupySales, cower. As posted:

... Look at Supsalemgr, you can fish slap him all day long with facts and figures but he still clings to his uninformed, ignorant opinions defiant and oblivious to reality.

Spot on. Idiot.

I understand addictions are difficult to break. Leftists are addicted to governmental control so seeing that situation changes is not easy.

, such an obedient little cultist. For decades consistently hypocritical and dishonest SoupySales has been slavishly devoted to the party addicted to very costly "governmental control" by the military and prison-industrial complexes. The current issue that SoupySales is desperately deflecting from is that "governmental control" is being illegally exerted by an unelected fascist oligarch and his demented democracy-hating puppet, DonOLD.

SoupySales' whiny snark utterly FAILS, again.

[O Really]

I understand addictions are difficult to break. Leftists are addicted to governmental control so seeing that situation changes is not easy.

What does government control that bothers you the most personally?

[GoCubsGo]

It's weird that the president Muskidoodle/vice-presisent trump plan is to burn everything down without any sort of thought or idea of what comes next.

Lost in their pretend ether is how this makes anyone's life better except maybe the 1% as they plan on increasing the deficit.

[Supsalemgr]

I understand addictions are difficult to break. Leftists are addicted to governmental control so seeing that situation changes is not easy.

What does government control that bothers you the most personally?

For starters, too much incompetence. Secondly, I prefer not to have unnamed bureaucrats having any control over my life.

[O Really]

I understand addictions are difficult to break. Leftists are addicted to governmental control so seeing that situation changes is not easy.

What does government control that bothers you the most personally?

For starters, too much incompetence. Secondly, I prefer not to have unnamed bureaucrats having any control over my life.

Do you have examples of incompetence that is greater than the normal amount in any organization? Are you saying every function is incompetent? So to have unnamed bureaucrats having no control in any aspect of your life, you'd have to go live totally off-grid.

A lot of your fellow Trumpers just spout platitudes and talking points. I'm trying to give you credit for actually thinking and having an opinion on things you're knowledgeable about. You're not making it easy. So what bureaucratic control is bothering you the most? And what would you offer for alternatives.

[Supsalemgr]

I do not want Washington controlling anything that I can make personal decisions about. If you are not aware of any government incompetence you are fortunate not to have much interaction with any of the bureaucracies. My alternative is any less federal involvement is good. Push as much to state and local governance as possible. Oreally has followed for years and he knows this has been a consistent position for me.

[O Really]

I do not want Washington controlling anything that I can make personal decisions about. If you are not aware of any government incompetence you are fortunate not to have much interaction with any of the bureaucracies. My alternative is any less federal involvement is good. Push as much to state and local governance as possible. Oreally has followed for years and he knows this has been a consistent position for me.

I didn't say there was NO incidents of incompetence. But I've had extensive interaction over several decades and multiple administrations with Department of Labor, Department of Justice, Internal Revenue, and Department of Transportation, and I'd say most - MOST - people are capable, knowledgeable, and competent and overall there's no less competence than in any other organization.

Personally, I don't think state and local pols are any better, more trustworthy, or more competent overall than federal, but I can go along with your view for the discussion. So you must be really opposed to Trump's hands-on approach to killing DEI in states and private corporations, specifying what local schools can teach, and insisting on state policy changes in exchange for previously allocated funds, yes? That's about as far away from pushing to state and local as it gets.

[neoplacebo]

I do not want Washington controlling anything that I can make personal decisions about. If you are not aware of any government incompetence you are fortunate not to have much interaction with any of the bureaucracies. My alternative is any less federal involvement is good. Push as much to state and local governance as possible. Oreally has followed for years and he knows this has been a consistent position for me.

But you didn't answer the question....what specifically have you experienced that illustrates government incompetence? Keep in mind that delay is not incompetnce. Ask an attorney. But let's have it.....what have you been a victim of because of gevernment incompetence? I can't wait for this.

You say you don't want government interfering in any of your personal decisions.....do you think the government should interfere if you decide to smuggle fentanyl? Do you think the government should interfere with you if you decide to go have a bunch of drinks and then drive on public highways? Just what the fuck are you whining about the government interfering with what you decide to do? What the fuck is it? Let us fix it. Or are you just another perpetual victim and incessant whiner?

[neoplacebo]

I'll take perpetual victim and incessant whiner for a thousand.

[GoCubsGo]

I do not want Washington controlling anything that I can make personal decisions about. If you are not aware of any government incompetence you are fortunate not to have much interaction with any of the bureaucracies. My alternative is any less federal involvement is good. Push as much to state and local governance as possible. Oreally has followed for years and he knows this has been a consistent position for me.

Can you give an answer that is not a cliche or platitude?

How has your life been affected? What decisions have been taken away from you?

[bannination]

I do not want Washington controlling anything that I can make personal decisions about. If you are not aware of any government incompetence you are fortunate not to have much interaction with any of the bureaucracies. My alternative is any less federal involvement is good. Push as much to state and local governance as possible. Oreally has followed for years and he knows this has been a consistent position for me.

Can you give an answer that is not a cliche or platitude?

How has your life been affected? What decisions have been taken away from you?

Maybe he's not allowed to use women's bathrooms anymore?

Maybe he is a she ... and she was an abortion enthusiast.

[O Really]

Supsalesmgr values competence, so he should be aghast at the new cabinet members. But he won't admit it. He is also still mad about the shafting of Afghanistan, so he should be aghast at the betrayal of Ukraine. But he won't admit it. Trump is doing the polar opposite of everything he values, except for not being a Democrat. We live in strange times.

[O Really]

People can argue the value, or lack thereof, of any given department, agency, or function. There's always room for praise and criticism. And different administrations emphasize and de-fang various departments. During repug administrations, we knew enforcement by EEOC, OFCCP, and NLRB was going to be lame.

And administrations end and begin programs all the time. But I can't think of any previous president who has reneged on actual contracts and commitments in effect at the time they took office. Creating a situation where the word and promise of a United States contract cannot be trusted should be criminal, and certainly should be something that could get overturned in court.

[Supsalemgr]

I do not want Washington controlling anything that I can make personal decisions about. If you are not aware of any government incompetence you are fortunate not to have much interaction with any of the bureaucracies. My alternative is any less federal involvement is good. Push as much to state and local governance as possible. Oreally has followed for years and he knows this has been a consistent position for me.

I didn't say there was NO incidents of incompetence. But I've had extensive interaction over several decades and multiple administrations with Department of Labor, Department of Justice, Internal Revenue, and Department of Transportation, and I'd say most - MOST - people are capable, knowledgeable, and competent and overall there's no less competence than in any other organization.

Personally, I don't think state and local pols are any better, more trustworthy, or more competent overall than federal, but I can go along with your view for the discussion. So you must be really opposed to Trump's hands-on approach to killing DEI in states and private corporations, specifying what local schools can teach, and insisting on state policy changes in exchange for previously allocated funds, yes? That's about as far away from pushing to state and local as it gets.

He seems to be effectively his "bully pulpit" to express his views.