Surviving a second Trump admin

[Vrede too]

This'll take care of the problems.

Justice Department fires multiple immigration judges amid case backlog

... The Trump administration has instead focused its efforts on hiring staff to aid in mass deportations, which Trump has promised will result in “millions and millions” of people being removed from the country.

Trump’s “border czar” Tom Homan has recruited staff from several federal agencies, including the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, to aid ICE in making immigrant arrests....

In-country asylum is done. They'll just deport them all and make people wait in line from other countries for the few cases that will be processed . . . if they survive.

[O Really]

... DOGE offered a very attractive buyout package. I suspect O Really would agree bases on his experience.

You would be mistaken. First, the proposed deal is of questionable legality, as there is no provision in current law covering federal workers to pay for time not worked past earned/accrued PTO, so it's possible the deal, even if theoretically "good" could fall through. Secondly, in the offer, it states it can be arbitrarily rescinded by the government, but not the employee. It is not legally binding on the government, so there is essentially no guarantee outside the word of Musk that it will actually be paid.

There has been nothing published to show gross overstaffing in all these departments. Assuming there are some, which is doubtful, they have not taken the time to determine who actually is redundant or what jobs will not be done.

Finally, even assuming personnel cuts were "necessary" and even assuming they actually know who is redundant, the entire action was handled in the very worst way possible, from almost any perspective you like other than just making a show of creating major turmoil.

And no, there is no reputable private company that would handle their RIFs in that way, starting with the fact that they'd be covered by the WARN act and each separation agreement would meet legal standards including a 10-day rescission period and advice to seek legal counsel regarding the agreement.

[Supsalemgr]

I agree with O Really that some good employees will be let go. That is the case with any RIF. RIF's are not uncommon in the private sector. They are rare in the public sector. It is the nature of private versus public.

In any large organization bloat is inevitable. Much of it in our times has been due to technology. I certainly saw it in the large corporation I worked for. However, much of the bloat comes from inevitable evolution. In fact I experienced at least three RIF's with my company during my career. With each the company either offered a buyout or enhanced severance packages. DOGE offered a very attractive buyout package. I suspect O Really would agree bases on his experience.

No RIF is fun, but they are necessary. That is where we are now.

So how does this improve the life for any Americans?

Knowing that their country will not go broke to make it simple.

How much does this decrease the deficit and make government more efficient?

It is impossible for me to quantify these numbers. Until it is completed no one knows the numbers. You are smart enough to know that.

(If you bother answering, which you won't please provide numbers.)

[Vrede too]

... DOGE offered a very attractive buyout package. I suspect O Really would agree bases on his experience.

No RIF is fun, but they are necessary. That is where we are now.

You would be mistaken. First, the proposed deal is of questionable legality, as there is no provision in current law covering federal workers to pay for time not worked past earned/accrued PTO, so it's possible the deal, even if theoretically "good" could fall through. Secondly, in the offer, it states it can be arbitrarily rescinded by the government, but not the employee. It is not legally binding on the government, so there is essentially no guarantee outside the word of Musk that it will actually be paid.

There has been nothing published to show gross overstaffing in all these departments. Assuming there are some, which is doubtful, they have not taken the time to determine who actually is redundant or what jobs will not be done.

Finally, even assuming personnel cuts were "necessary" and even assuming they actually know who is redundant, the entire action was handled in the very worst way possible, from almost any perspective you like other than just making a show of creating major turmoil.

And no, there is no reputable private company that would handle their RIFs in that way, starting with the fact that they'd be covered by the WARN act and each separation agreement would meet legal standards including a 10-day rescission period and advice to seek legal counsel regarding the agreement.

Woe unto the MAGAts dumb enough to debate these issues with a labor lawyer. SoupySales' brain has been rotted by Faux Noise and having only ignorant and dogmatic CPFools to discuss such matters with.

O Really, are probationary workers who figure they'll be fired anyhow wise to take the buyouts on the chance that they are partially or wholly legit?

[GoCubsGo]

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It is impossible for me to quantify these numbers. Until it is completed no one knows the numbers. You are smart enough to know that.

Seriously?

The numbers are out there all you have to do is look.

Elon Musk is failing to cut American spending
DOGE has so far disrupted everything in government bar the deficit

Supes is proving himself to be the laziest poster here.

It's typical of the reason trump got elected.

[Supsalemgr]

... DOGE offered a very attractive buyout package. I suspect O Really would agree bases on his experience.

No RIF is fun, but they are necessary. That is where we are now.

You would be mistaken. First, the proposed deal is of questionable legality, as there is no provision in current law covering federal workers to pay for time not worked past earned/accrued PTO, so it's possible the deal, even if theoretically "good" could fall through. Secondly, in the offer, it states it can be arbitrarily rescinded by the government, but not the employee. It is not legally binding on the government, so there is essentially no guarantee outside the word of Musk that it will actually be paid.

There has been nothing published to show gross overstaffing in all these departments. Assuming there are some, which is doubtful, they have not taken the time to determine who actually is redundant or what jobs will not be done.

Finally, even assuming personnel cuts were "necessary" and even assuming they actually know who is redundant, the entire action was handled in the very worst way possible, from almost any perspective you like other than just making a show of creating major turmoil.

And no, there is no reputable private company that would handle their RIFs in that way, starting with the fact that they'd be covered by the WARN act and each separation agreement would meet legal standards including a 10-day rescission period and advice to seek legal counsel regarding the agreement.

Woe unto the MAGAts dumb enough to debate these issues with a labor lawyer. SoupySales' brain has been rotted by Faux Noise and having only ignorant and dogmatic CPFools to discuss such matters with.

O Really, are probationary workers who figure they'll be fired anyhow wise to take the buyouts on the chance that they are partially or wholly legit?

As always, thanks for your opinion.

[Supsalemgr]

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It is impossible for me to quantify these numbers. Until it is completed no one knows the numbers. You are smart enough to know that.

Seriously?

The numbers are out there all you have to do is look.

Elon Musk is failing to cut American spending
DOGE has so far disrupted everything in government bar the deficit

Supes is proving himself to be the laziest poster here.

It's typical of the reason trump got elected.

Sorry, but I am not going to pay to read a leftists opinion piece.

[Vrede too]

Woe unto the MAGAts dumb enough to debate these issues with a labor lawyer. SoupySales' brain has been rotted by Faux Noise and having only ignorant and dogmatic CPFools to discuss such matters with.

As always, thanks for your opinion.

As always, enough with the infantile passive-aggressiveness.

Lame dodge. It's less about my opinion than it is about O Really shredding your MAGAt opinions with informed facts, ones you could have learned for yourself if you Trumpettes weren't so gullible and lazy. Pay attention.

[GoCubsGo]

[
It is impossible for me to quantify these numbers. Until it is completed no one knows the numbers. You are smart enough to know that.

Seriously?

The numbers are out there all you have to do is look.

Elon Musk is failing to cut American spending
DOGE has so far disrupted everything in government bar the deficit

Supes is proving himself to be the laziest poster here.

It's typical of the reason trump got elected.

Sorry, but I am not going to pay to read a leftists opinion piece.

Not smart enough to set up a burner email account to read for free?

And it's the fucking Economist. It's not leftist.

[GoCubsGo]

As always, thanks for your opinion.

An actual expert gives you an articulate, well reasoned, yet understandable plain worded opinion and that is your response?

Mega MAGA asshole.

People here have been civil with you and actually tried to engage in dialog, you've got nothing.

Go run back to Solar's fun house and not post there.

[Supsalemgr]

As always, thanks for your opinion.

An actual expert gives you an articulate, well reasoned, yet understandable plain worded opinion and that is your response?

Mega MAGA asshole.

People here have been civil with you and actually tried to engage in dialog, you've got nothing.

Go run back to Solar's fun house and not post there.

It is fine with me if you guys choose to live in denial. I encourage you to please continue to do so.

[GoCubsGo]

It is fine with me if you guys choose to live in denial. I encourage you to please continue to do so.

WTF does that even mean?

You may be our new Useless.

[Vrede too]

Denial??? Lame projection. O Really is an expert and GoCubsGo cited an expert source that you hide from. He's also somewhat expert, himself. All you've got is parroting unsupported MAGA/DOGE claims from POTUS Musk.

Ftr, I majored in econ-philosophy, but am far from expert. That's why I cite neutral experts like you never ever do.

Sorry, but I am not going to pay to read a leftists opinion piece.

You can tell who the author is? I can't.

Seriously? It took me seconds to find a free and intact reprint. Google much?

Elon Musk is failing to cut American spending

... None of this is to minimise DOGE’s impact. It has already put thousands of government employees on leave. Armed with a new executive order from Mr Trump, it is now preparing to make mass lay-offs, though it may lack the legal authority to do so. Civil servants are disoriented and anxious about their future—an outcome that will surely please Mr Musk, who relishes his role in the war on bureaucracy.

But the core mission of DOGE is to save money. “It’s not optional to reduce federal expenses. It’s essential,” Mr Musk said on February 11th. And on that count, he looks likely to come up woefully short.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220028782

There it is, the terrorist ideology of illegally dismantling government rather than the practicality of soberly reducing spending.

[Supsalemgr]

It is fine with me if you guys choose to live in denial. I encourage you to please continue to do so.

WTF does that even mean?

You may be our new Useless.

It seems you are the one that plays dumb quite a bit.

[Supsalemgr]

Denial??? Lame projection. O Really is an expert and GoCubsGo cited an expert source that you hide from. He's also somewhat expert, himself. All you've got is parroting unsupported MAGA/DOGE claims from POTUS Musk.

Ftr, I majored in econ-philosophy, but am far from expert. That's why I cite neutral experts like you never ever do.

Sorry, but I am not going to pay to read a leftists opinion piece.

You can tell who the author is? I can't.

Seriously? It took me seconds to find a free and intact reprint. Google much?

Elon Musk is failing to cut American spending

... None of this is to minimise DOGE’s impact. It has already put thousands of government employees on leave. Armed with a new executive order from Mr Trump, it is now preparing to make mass lay-offs, though it may lack the legal authority to do so. Civil servants are disoriented and anxious about their future—an outcome that will surely please Mr Musk, who relishes his role in the war on bureaucracy.

But the core mission of DOGE is to save money. “It’s not optional to reduce federal expenses. It’s essential,” Mr Musk said on February 11th. And on that count, he looks likely to come up woefully short.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220028782

There it is, the terrorist ideology of illegally dismantling government rather than the practicality of soberly reducing spending.

Did I miss the trial? I will stand by my experience of over forty years in management at a major corporation to understand RIF's.

[GoCubsGo]

Did I miss the trial? I will stand by my experience of over forty years in management at a major corporation to understand RIF's.

Ah, the well reasoned articulate comeback.

Please, enlighten the forum with your intelligence, depth of knowledge and keen insights in a well worded memo of what your 40 years of experience has taught you.

[Vrede too]

Cowering from the article once I remove the 'I don't want to pay' excuse? Figures.

There it is, the terrorist ideology of illegally dismantling government rather than the practicality of soberly reducing spending.

Did I miss the trial?

Did you miss middle school Civics, Civil Service law, and the many court rulings we've already seen, or are you just playing dumb in order to remain an obedient cultist?

I will stand by my experience of over forty years in management at a major corporation to understand RIF's.

Funny, all that "experience" and you can't articulate a cogent response to O Really's schooling you.

EDIT: Great minds, GoCubsGo . . .

[bannination]

... DOGE offered a very attractive buyout package. I suspect O Really would agree bases on his experience.

You would be mistaken. First, the proposed deal is of questionable legality, as there is no provision in current law covering federal workers to pay for time not worked past earned/accrued PTO, so it's possible the deal, even if theoretically "good" could fall through. Secondly, in the offer, it states it can be arbitrarily rescinded by the government, but not the employee. It is not legally binding on the government, so there is essentially no guarantee outside the word of Musk that it will actually be paid.

There has been nothing published to show gross overstaffing in all these departments. Assuming there are some, which is doubtful, they have not taken the time to determine who actually is redundant or what jobs will not be done.

Finally, even assuming personnel cuts were "necessary" and even assuming they actually know who is redundant, the entire action was handled in the very worst way possible, from almost any perspective you like other than just making a show of creating major turmoil.

And no, there is no reputable private company that would handle their RIFs in that way, starting with the fact that they'd be covered by the WARN act and each separation agreement would meet legal standards including a 10-day rescission period and advice to seek legal counsel regarding the agreement.

O Really's "opinion" is not in a vacuum either. Not only that, but the emails were so badly written most thought they were scam emails.

[O Really]

Taking right/left politics out of it, nothing whatsoever about Musk's management style or manner would be recommended by almost anybody who actually is experienced in management. Fear, intimidation, chaos, no respect for people - sure it may get some short-term results, but it's always eventually failed IRL.

[GoCubsGo]

Wait, what?

Trump's plan to combat avian flu is to vaccinate the chickens!

You cannot make this shit up!