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Meet 5 of the alleged gang members the Trump administration sent to an El Salvadoran mega-prison

:crybaby: :angry-cussing:
... An official with the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has acknowledged that "many" of the men lack criminal records in the United States -- but said that "the lack of specific information about each individual actually highlights the risk they pose" and "demonstrates that they are terrorists with regard to whom we lack a complete profile." ...
That's some real Catch-22 :bs: A lack of evidence = Proof :headscratch:
Jose Franco Caraballo Tiapa - Deported to El Salvador on March 15

... According to Sanchez, the couple crossed the U.S. border in November 2023 and surrendered to authorities. After claiming asylum and being detained for a few days, ICE released them and ordered them to check in routinely with the federal agency.

Sanchez said the couple had gone to several of their scheduled check-ins without experiencing any issues. But on Feb. 3, Tiapa was not allowed to return home with his wife despite being scheduled to have his first court appearance in his asylum case in March.

Sanchez provided ABC News with documents that confirmed Tiapa's scheduled appointment with an immigration judge on March 19. She also provided ABC News with documents that show Tiapa does not have a criminal record in Venezuela....
Deported in spite of OUR justice system. :angry-banghead:
Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia - Deported to El Salvador on March 15 due to 'administrative error' ...
But they supposedly can't reverse it.
Jerce Reyes Barrios - Deported to El Salvador on March 15

Reyes Barrios was a professional soccer player in Venezuela who crossed the U.S.-Mexico border legally in 2024 after being detained and tortured by the Maduro regime, according to his attorney Linette Tobin.

... the tattoo in question was an homage to the Real Madrid soccer team logo adorned with a rosary and the word "Dios" meaning God, according to the artist who did the piece.

Barrios did not have a criminal record in Venezuela, according to government records reviewed by ABC News, and he worked as a professional soccer player and children's soccer coach.
I've coached kids.
"He collaborates with the schools to teach children his techniques. A lot of children admire him because he's a goalie," his family member Ayari del Carmen Pedroza Guerrero said in an interview with ABC News....
I was a goalie. In another life that could have been me in an El Salvadoran prison. :cry: :x
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I've coached kids.
Difficult to imagine that. :wtf:

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John Roberts Pauses Ruling Requiring Trump Administration To Return Man Mistakenly Deported To El Salvador
The DOJ argued in an emergency appeal to the justices that a district judge overstepped her authority when she ordered Kilmar Abrego Garcia returned to the U.S.


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Jennifer Vasquez Sura, the wife of Kilmar Abrego Garcia of Maryland, who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador, speaks during a news conference at CASA's Multicultural Center in Hyattsville, Md., April 4, 2025.

Asshole Roberts should spend a day in that El Salvadoran prison for every day Kilmar Abrego Garcia's return is delayed. Pam Bondage and Solicitor General D. John Sauer, too.
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Vrede too wrote:
Mon Apr 07, 2025 5:38 pm
John Roberts Pauses Ruling Requiring Trump Administration To Return Man Mistakenly Deported To El Salvador
The DOJ argued in an emergency appeal to the justices that a district judge overstepped her authority when she ordered Kilmar Abrego Garcia returned to the U.S.


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Jennifer Vasquez Sura, the wife of Kilmar Abrego Garcia of Maryland, who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador, speaks during a news conference at CASA's Multicultural Center in Hyattsville, Md., April 4, 2025.

Asshole Roberts should spend a day in that El Salvadoran prison for every day Kilmar Abrego Garcia's return is delayed. Pam Bondage and Solicitor General D. John Sauer, too.
So what happens if a US citizen is accidentally sent to El Salvador? Does that mean that theyre just gone and forgotten ? Is this not a frightening prospect with a very large loophole for abuse?

Once again, this is why due process is VERY important.

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Mon Apr 07, 2025 6:02 pm
So what happens if a US citizen is accidentally sent to El Salvador? Does that mean that they're just gone and forgotten? Is this not a frightening prospect with a very large loophole for abuse?

Once again, this is why due process is VERY important.
Supreme Court Lifts Order Blocking Deportations Under 18th Century Wartime Law
The case has become a flashpoint amid escalating tension between the White House and the federal courts.


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The Supreme Court on Monday allowed the Trump administration to use an 18th century wartime law to deport Venezuelan migrants, but said they must get a court hearing before they are taken from the United States.

In a bitterly divided decision, the court said the administration must give Venezuelans who it claims are gang members “reasonable time” to go to court.
The government can claim it's fighting a war, BUT deportees may be able to force the government to prove that they are gang members subject to this wartime law. In theory, no more rushed and secret flights.
But the conservative majority said the legal challenges must take place in Texas, instead of a Washington courtroom.
:wtf: Why Texas?
In dissent, the three liberal justices said the administration has sought to avoid judicial review in this case and the court “now rewards the government for its behavior.” Justice Amy Coney Barrett joined portions of the dissent....

“For all the rhetoric of the dissents,” the court wrote in an unsigned opinion, the high court order confirms “that the detainees subject to removal orders under the AEA are entitled to notice and an opportunity to challenge their removal.”
Good.
... Attorney General Pam Bondi called the court’s ruling “a landmark victory for the rule of law.”

“An activist judge in Washington, DC does not have the jurisdiction to seize control of President Trump’s authority to conduct foreign policy and keep the American people safe,” Bondi wrote in a social media post....
Umm, you LOST the due process argument, Bondage.
Ketanji Brown Jackson Issues Seething Dissent To Supreme Court’s Hasty Migrant Ruling
“At least when the Court went off base in the past, it left a record so posterity could see how it went wrong,” the justice wrote.


... “The President of the United States has invoked a centuries-old wartime statute to whisk people away to a notoriously brutal, foreign-run prison,” wrote the court’s newest justice. “For lovers of liberty, this should be quite concerning.”

The statute in question is the rarely used Alien Enemies Act of 1798, which President Franklin Roosevelt invoked in 1941 to justify the incarceration of Japanese Americans in camps during World War II. The Supreme Court upheld the incarceration three years later when it ruled in Korematsu v. United States. It took the court nearly 75 years to admit that was a “gravely wrong” mistake.

What’s especially concerning, Jackson wrote regarding the current deportation case, is that the conservative-dominated Supreme Court ruled under its emergency docket, or “shadow docket,” without hearing any arguments or reviewing any briefings.

“At least when the Court went off base in the past, it left a record so posterity could see how it went wrong,” Jackson wrote, pointing to the Korematsu ruling....

“Surely, the question whether such Government action is consistent with our Constitution and laws warrants considerable thought and attention from the Judiciary,” Jackson wrote, adding: “But this Court now sees fit to intervene, hastily dashing off a four-paragraph per curiam opinion discarding the District Court’s order based solely on a new legal pronouncement that, one might have thought, would require significant deliberation.”

The court has gotten too comfortable moving forward with shadow docket rulings, she said.

“I lament that the Court appears to have embarked on a new era of procedural variability, and that it has done so in such a casual, inequitable, and, in my view, inappropriate manner,” Jackson wrote.
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Identity politics failed the left

“The left-wing narrative is dominated by privileged people who tend to live in beautiful gated communities. They are untouched and insulated from the policies that they pushed for” :wtf:
https://www.workersliberty.org/story/20 ... ailed-left

They're critical thinkers with squirrel stories. :lol: Right, O Really?

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I wonder if Supes has noticed that ICE isn't even pretending to limit their deportations to those with criminal records? Funny he hasn't mentioned it as far as I know.

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Whack9 wrote:
Mon Apr 07, 2025 6:02 pm
So what happens if a US citizen is accidentally sent to El Salvador? Does that mean that they're just gone and forgotten? Is this not a frightening prospect with a very large loophole for abuse?

Once again, this is why due process is VERY important.
Maybe you should stick to discussing the present instead of speculating about the future. ;)
White House Confirms Trump Is Exploring Ways To ‘Deport’ U.S. Citizens
The administration could try removing American citizens if it identifies a pathway it can claim to be legal.


... Leavitt suggested the effort would be limited to people who have committed major crimes, but Trump has also mentioned the possibility of sending people who commit lesser offenses abroad.
Like political "crimes"?
... Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One on Sunday that he “love(s)” the idea of removing U.S. citizens, adding that it would be an “honor” to send them to El Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele — an eager partner in Trump’s schemes.

Trump also proposed the idea in March, when Tesla vehicles were being vandalized and set ablaze in protest of CEO Elon Musk’s heavy-handed involvement in the Trump administration. Musk has been running the so-called Department of Government Efficiency, taking credit for huge cuts to the federal workforce and federal services.

“I look forward to watching the sick terrorist thugs get 20 year jail sentences for what they are doing to Elon Musk and Tesla,” Trump wrote. “Perhaps they could serve them in the prisons of El Salvador, which have become so recently famous for such lovely conditions!”

... Critics say the administration’s policy is a clear violation of due process protections enshrined in the Constitution.
Stop manifesting, Whack9! :x . . . Or, manifest some good things :angel: Wield your power responsibly.
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O Really wrote:
Tue Apr 08, 2025 8:21 pm
I wonder if Supes has noticed that ICE isn't even pretending to limit their deportations to those with criminal records? Funny he hasn't mentioned it as far as I know.
I am not surprised. They are ILLEGAL. This an ongoing process.

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Vrede too wrote:
Tue Apr 08, 2025 10:40 pm
Whack9 wrote:
Mon Apr 07, 2025 6:02 pm
So what happens if a US citizen is accidentally sent to El Salvador? Does that mean that they're just gone and forgotten? Is this not a frightening prospect with a very large loophole for abuse?

Once again, this is why due process is VERY important.
Maybe you should stick to discussing the present instead of speculating about the future. ;)
White House Confirms Trump Is Exploring Ways To ‘Deport’ U.S. Citizens
The administration could try removing American citizens if it identifies a pathway it can claim to be legal.


... Leavitt suggested the effort would be limited to people who have committed major crimes, but Trump has also mentioned the possibility of sending people who commit lesser offenses abroad.
Like political "crimes"?
... Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One on Sunday that he “love(s)” the idea of removing U.S. citizens, adding that it would be an “honor” to send them to El Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele — an eager partner in Trump’s schemes.

Trump also proposed the idea in March, when Tesla vehicles were being vandalized and set ablaze in protest of CEO Elon Musk’s heavy-handed involvement in the Trump administration. Musk has been running the so-called Department of Government Efficiency, taking credit for huge cuts to the federal workforce and federal services.

“I look forward to watching the sick terrorist thugs get 20 year jail sentences for what they are doing to Elon Musk and Tesla,” Trump wrote. “Perhaps they could serve them in the prisons of El Salvador, which have become so recently famous for such lovely conditions!”

... Critics say the administration’s policy is a clear violation of due process protections enshrined in the Constitution.
Stop manifesting, Whack9! :x . . . Or, manifest some good things :angel: Wield your power responsibly.
Our government removing its own citizens to a foreign country where our laws and rights no longer apply?

Hey you stupid fucks, here's your tyranny right here.

"Yeah, but it's just the most heinous criminals. Why do you want to protect violent murderers"

Mistakes are made all the time. As we've seen with the ongoing case involving the man that was mistakingly sent away, once that happens it's exceedingly difficult if not possible to fix. Innocent people get caught up in the system all the time. There's ample evidence of this happening. Plus the possibility of abuse. There are reasons we all have certain constitutional rights.

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Supsalemgr wrote:
Wed Apr 09, 2025 6:26 am
O Really wrote:
Tue Apr 08, 2025 8:21 pm
I wonder if Supes has noticed that ICE isn't even pretending to limit their deportations to those with criminal records? Funny he hasn't mentioned it as far as I know.
I am not surprised. They are ILLEGAL. This an ongoing process.
Interesting concept, that minor illegalities should be subject to the same treatment as major ones. Particularly from those who themselves flout the law at every opportunity and who, in their zeal to cleanse the US are also ILLEGAL.

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BTW, Supes, do you remember what immigration was like before 9/11? You didn't have right wingers screaming about the "invasion" of the brown hoards or that the US had "open borders" with no border security. But there were some illegal border crossings, and some people in the US without legal documentation. What was different? Well, Jimmy, thanks to Republican Reagan, those people who may have entered illegally could jump through several hoops and poof! they're no longer ILLEGAL. After 9/11 the process changed to where it was/is very difficult to become legal. During the past two decades, Congress had made no effort to clean up the immigration mess they made in their post 9/11 panic, finding it more politically advantageous to just point fingers and cast blame for a problem they created and refuse to fix.

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Wed Apr 09, 2025 10:16 am
BTW, Supes, do you remember what immigration was like before 9/11? You didn't have right wingers screaming about the "invasion" of the brown hoards or that the US had "open borders" with no border security. But there were some illegal border crossings, and some people in the US without legal documentation. What was different? Well, Jimmy, thanks to Republican Reagan, those people who may have entered illegally could jump through several hoops and poof! they're no longer ILLEGAL. After 9/11 the process changed to where it was/is very difficult to become legal. During the past two decades, Congress had made no effort to clean up the immigration mess they made in their post 9/11 panic, finding it more politically advantageous to just point fingers and cast blame for a problem they created and refuse to fix.
Both parties have been derelict in immigration reform. We do have a need for foreign workers. That being said, there has to be an enforceable vetting process and limitations.

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BTW, Supes, do you remember what immigration was like before 9/11? You didn't have right wingers screaming about the "invasion" of the brown hoards or that the US had "open borders" with no border security. But there were some illegal border crossings, and some people in the US without legal documentation. What was different? Well, Jimmy, thanks to Republican Reagan, those people who may have entered illegally could jump through several hoops and poof! they're no longer ILLEGAL. After 9/11 the process changed to where it was/is very difficult to become legal. During the past two decades, Congress had made no effort to clean up the immigration mess they made in their post 9/11 panic, finding it more politically advantageous to just point fingers and cast blame for a problem they created and refuse to fix.
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Both parties have been derelict in immigration reform. We do have a need for foreign workers. That being said, there has to be an enforceable vetting process and limitations.
Indeed, and there always has been and still is. The only people who cry "open borders" are the same ones that don't want to use the current system nor change it. And sure, the Dems didn't improve immigration law when they had the majority, but it's Republicans and only Republicans who refused to pass the most recent bi-partisan immigration bill that, even though it wasn't perfect, would have addressed a lot of the main issues. And that issue is largely the asylum seekers. Because they have rights defined in law, they can't just be rounded up and turned loose back over the border. They can't be prosecuted because seeking asylum isn't a crime. They're not even ILLEGAL in the first place. But there are more of them than the system can handle quickly. The process would be OK if there were more people/courts to handle their cases, more "vetters", but the app developed to help keep them in the legal process just got axed by Trump - not because it wasn't working, but because Biden implemented it. Republicans would kill both their parents and then beg the court for mercy because they're an orphan.

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Wed Apr 09, 2025 7:52 pm
Indeed, and there always has been and still is. The only people who cry "open borders" are the same ones that don't want to use the current system nor change it. And sure, the Dems didn't improve immigration law when they had the majority, but it's Republicans and only Republicans who refused to pass the most recent bi-partisan immigration bill that, even though it wasn't perfect, would have addressed a lot of the main issues. And that issue is largely the asylum seekers. Because they have rights defined in law, they can't just be rounded up and turned loose back over the border. They can't be prosecuted because seeking asylum isn't a crime. They're not even ILLEGAL in the first place. But there are more of them than the system can handle quickly. The process would be OK if there were more people/courts to handle their cases, more "vetters", but the app developed to help keep them in the legal process just got axed by Trump - not because it wasn't working, but because Biden implemented it. Republicans would kill both their parents and then beg the court for mercy because they're an orphan.
Agreed!

Corporate and our own consumers' interests are served more than anyone's by having a large pool of frightened workers willing to work for submarket pay. RW politicians, not left, are most benefited by having a perpetual "problem" to stir up fearmongering and hatred among their minions. With this double bonus, it's no surprise that no action has been taken despite years of hand-wringing. Whenever we've had serious efforts at reform it has always been Repugs that blocked it, always. Even Shrub couldn't get it passed with a Repug majority in Congress.
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O Really wrote:
Wed Apr 09, 2025 7:52 pm
Supsalemgr wrote:
Wed Apr 09, 2025 12:41 pm


Both parties have been derelict in immigration reform. We do have a need for foreign workers. That being said, there has to be an enforceable vetting process and limitations.
Indeed, and there always has been and still is. The only people who cry "open borders" are the same ones that don't want to use the current system nor change it. And sure, the Dems didn't improve immigration law when they had the majority, but it's Republicans and only Republicans who refused to pass the most recent bi-partisan immigration bill that, even though it wasn't perfect, would have addressed a lot of the main issues. And that issue is largely the asylum seekers. Because they have rights defined in law, they can't just be rounded up and turned loose back over the border. They can't be prosecuted because seeking asylum isn't a crime. They're not even ILLEGAL in the first place. But there are more of them than the system can handle quickly. The process would be OK if there were more people/courts to handle their cases, more "vetters", but the app developed to help keep them in the legal process just got axed by Trump - not because it wasn't working, but because Biden implemented it. Republicans would kill both their parents and then beg the court for mercy because they're an orphan.
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O Really wrote:
Wed Apr 09, 2025 7:52 pm
Supsalemgr wrote:
Wed Apr 09, 2025 12:41 pm


Both parties have been derelict in immigration reform. We do have a need for foreign workers. That being said, there has to be an enforceable vetting process and limitations.
Indeed, and there always has been and still is. The only people who cry "open borders" are the same ones that don't want to use the current system nor change it. And sure, the Dems didn't improve immigration law when they had the majority, but it's Republicans and only Republicans who refused to pass the most recent bi-partisan immigration bill that, even though it wasn't perfect, would have addressed a lot of the main issues. And that issue is largely the asylum seekers. Because they have rights defined in law, they can't just be rounded up and turned loose back over the border. They can't be prosecuted because seeking asylum isn't a crime. They're not even ILLEGAL in the first place. But there are more of them than the system can handle quickly. The process would be OK if there were more people/courts to handle their cases, more "vetters", but the app developed to help keep them in the legal process just got axed by Trump - not because it wasn't working, but because Biden implemented it. Republicans would kill both their parents and then beg the court for mercy because they're an orphan.


Your post properly explains why good vetting controls at the border are needed. Illegals do not need to be admitted until they can be processed properly.

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Didn't we have a Big Beautiful Bill ready to go in 2024 until DonOld killed it?

Why don't they resurrect it?
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GoCubsGo wrote:
Thu Apr 10, 2025 8:47 am
Didn't we have a Big Beautiful Bill ready to go in 2024 until DonOld killed it?

Why don't they resurrect it?
I'll take "They'd much rather spew LAW (Lying And Whining) than do anything else" for six hundred.

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