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Ugh. I hope this is fake


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Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:16 pm

That too :lol:

I'm reminded that almost all autocratic movements eventually devour their own. America is showing itself to be a nation of cowards and bootlickers. All that tough talk about freedom and liberty was only that - talk and some made in china bumper stickers. Nothing more.
LOL

The word freedom has been diminished ever since Shrub used it in every other sentence as we invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.
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Whack9 wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:16 pm
GoCubsGo wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 12:55 pm
Whack9 wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 12:41 pm
GoCubsGo wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 12:29 pm
Whack9 wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 12:12 pm


What recourse do the courts have? It would be good if they could hold accountable anyone within the entire chain that stonewalls the court decision. "Just following orders" isn't an excuse.
The courts don't have enforcement capabilities, it's an honor system and it's a bedrock. That wall is being breached.
Yeah I think we've basically become an autocracy at this point. And conservatives seem to be just fine with it. I guess the mask is off. They never really cared about American values like they claimed. All this time they just wanted a daddy to worship.


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That too :lol:

I'm reminded that almost all autocratic movements eventually devour their own. America is showing itself to be a nation of cowards and bootlickers. All that tough talk about freedom and liberty was only that - talk and some made in china bumper stickers. Nothing more.
China cornered the market in that too?! Oh, shit!

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Whack9 wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:28 pm
Ugh. I hope this is fake

Not fake. One could ask whether PINO's comments to the fascist president of El Salvador, Nayib Bukele, about sending US citizens to El Salvadoran prisons is joking, but DonOLD's jokes have an unsettling way of coming true.
‘The Homegrowns Are Next’: Trump Promises to Send American Citizens to El Salvador in Harrowing Comments to Bukele

I'm sure that Bukele decided this independently :roll: :
El Salvador’s President Refuses to Return Maryland Man Trump Accidentally Deported, Baselessly Calls Him ‘Terrorist’

Then:
‘Sick People!’ Trump Attacks ‘Low-Rated’ Kaitlan Collins in Oval Office Showdown Over Deported El Salvadoran Man

... The exchange began with Trump calling on Collins by remarking, “Let’s hear the question from this very low-rated anchor at CB-, at CNN. Low-rated!”

“Do you plan to ask President Bukele to help return the man who your administration says was mistakenly deported to El Salvador?” asked Collins with the El Salvadoran president, Nayib Bukele, sitting next to Trump.

Trump then handed the floor over to Attorney General Pam Bondi and Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller, both of whom presented warped explanations of a Supreme Court decision ordering the Trump administration to facilitate the return of Abrego Garcia to the United States from an El Salvadoran prison, with Trump only joining in to argue that CNN was “totally slanting because they don’t know what’s happening.”

“That’s why nobody’s watching them,” he added.

Collins pressed on, repeating her question about whether the administration would request that Bukele send Abrego Garcia back and asking Bukele directly if he would send him back.

After Bukele answered that he wouldn’t “smuggle a terrorist into the United States,” Trump mused that “they’d love to have a criminal, you know, released into our country. They would love it. They’re- these are sick people.”

Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Miller took turns rebuking Collins again, after which she noted that Trump had previously stated that he would abide by court orders to bring those wrongly deported back into the country.

“Why don’t you just say, ‘Isn’t it wonderful that we’re keeping criminals out of our country?'” retorted Trump. “Why can’t you say that? Why do you go over and over, and that’s why nobody watches you anymore, you know, you have no credibility.”
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Abrego Garcia's friends and family must be crushed.

Aside: I tried to gain entry to a notorious El Salvadoran prison in 1986. We weren't allowed in, but even from the outside it was terrifying.
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Pathetic. This, along with the destruction of the economy, are just distractions for what he's really doing....decimating the integrity of the US intelligence agancies and military. He's put a nutjob in as DNI, another nutjob at DOD, another nutjob as a newly invented agency. He's gradually replacing competent military and intelligence officials with bootlickers and ignorant hacks. All while saying "look over here."

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Wed Apr 09, 2025 11:43 pm
U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth ordered 381 books to be removed from the Nimitz Library at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland.

The books removed contained content addressing diversity, gender, and race including Maya Angelou‘s ‘I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings,’ the 1970 autobiographical coming-of-age story of a young Black girl in Alabama which addresses identity, rape, racism, and literacy....
Of course they do, White supremacy in action.
A lesser known academic book also removed by the Defense Department is the 2021 non-fiction book Rich Thanks to Racism: How the Ultra Wealthy Profit from Racial Injustice.

According to the book’s description, the author, civil rights lawyer Jim Freeman, “uncovers billions of dollars in aligned investments by Bill Gates, Charles Koch, Mark Zuckerberg, and a handful of other billionaires that are dismantling public school systems across the United States.”

Of course it was, White oligarchy in action.

Thank you for your future service, midshipmen. We appreciate that you are willing to risk your lives to defend freedom, but Nanny Pete is still going to decide what you're allowed to read. Deal with it.

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ICE Agents Realize They Arrested Wrong Teen, Say 'Take Him Anyway'

https://www.newsweek.com/merwil-gutierr ... or-2059783
Federal immigration authorities apprehended a 19-year-old in New York despite realizing he was not the intended target.

The young man, Merwil Gutiérrez, was later deported to El Salvador's notorious super prison, despite his family's insistence that he has no gang ties or criminal history.

His father, Wilmer Gutiérrez, is now searching for answers after his son was snatched by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents.

"The officers grabbed him and two other boys right at the entrance to our building. One said, 'No, he's not the one,' like they were looking for someone else. But the other said, 'Take him anyway,'" Wilmer told Documented, "an independent, nonprofit newsroom dedicated to reporting for immigrant communities in New York City."

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A whistleblower's disclosure details how DOGE may have taken sensitive labor data

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/15/nx-s1-53 ... x-security
The new revelations about DOGE's activities at the labor agency come from a whistleblower in the IT department of the NLRB, who disclosed his concerns to Congress and the U.S. Office of Special Counsel in a detailed report that was then provided to NPR. Meanwhile, his attempts to raise concerns internally within the NLRB preceded someone "physically taping a threatening note" to his door that included sensitive personal information and overhead photos of him walking his dog that appeared to be taken with a drone, according to a cover letter attached to his disclosure filed by his attorney, Andrew Bakaj of the nonprofit Whistleblower Aid.
Guess we know one of the reasons DOGE is farming all of that data

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America, you ok?


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El Salvador VP states US is paying them to imprison Garcia

https://www.latintimes.com/el-salvadora ... ays-580968

This is something we already knew.

- US claims they can't retrieve Garcia. He's in El Salvadore's hands and there's nothing we can do
- El Salvador's president claims he can't send Garcia back to the US. That would be tantamount to human smuggling.
- El Salvadore's VP states the US is paying to keep Garcia imprisoned, that's why they can't release him
- van Hollen asks to see Garcia and is denied. El Salvador says they need a heads up
- van Hollen says he'll return at a later date. El Salvador says "no that won't work either". They state he needs approval from US embassy. I wonder if that'll happen.

Based on what has been said, seems like yes, the US could in fact demand his return. There are plenty of ways the US could apply pressure. We already knew this, but it's interesting to see events play out.

The point that will likely go over the bootlickers heads: this isn't so much about this one man, it's about the rule of law and the separation of powers in our system of government. You can't do things like this with impunity. There's a specific process we follow to prevent innocents from being wrongly caught up in the system. If you toss that out then this is no longer a nation of "liberty and justice for all", it's a nation dependent on the whims of one man.

Truly a master negotiator we have as president. He can't even negotiate a deal to release a man his administration is paying to keep imprisoned. The country of El Salvador more powerful that the United States I guess.

Seems like for an administration hell bent on cutting waste, returning the prisoner and no longer having to pay to keep him imprisoned would surely save us some money, no?

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Whack9 wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 6:35 am
El Salvador VP states US is paying them to imprison Garcia

https://www.latintimes.com/el-salvadora ... ays-580968

This is something we already knew.

- US claims they can't retrieve Garcia. He's in El Salvadore's hands and there's nothing we can do
- El Salvador's president claims he can't send Garcia back to the US. That would be tantamount to human smuggling.
- El Salvadore's VP states the US is paying to keep Garcia imprisoned, that's why they can't release him
- van Hollen asks to see Garcia and is denied. El Salvador says they need a heads up
- van Hollen says he'll return at a later date. El Salvador says "no that won't work either". They state he needs approval from US embassy. I wonder if that'll happen.

Based on what has been said, seems like yes, the US could in fact demand his return. There are plenty of ways the US could apply pressure. We already knew this, but it's interesting to see events play out.

The point that will likely go over the bootlickers heads: this isn't so much about this one man, it's about the rule of law and the separation of powers in our system of government. You can't do things like this with impunity. There's a specific process we follow to prevent innocents from being wrongly caught up in the system. If you toss that out then this is no longer a nation of "liberty and justice for all", it's a nation dependent on the whims of one man.

Truly a master negotiator we have as president. He can't even negotiate a deal to release a man his administration is paying to keep imprisoned. The country of El Salvador more powerful that the United States I guess.

Seems like for an administration hell bent on cutting waste, returning the prisoner and no longer having to pay to keep him imprisoned would surely save us some money, no?
I hope the left keeps on with this outrage. Nothing like fighting to have proven thug returned to our country.

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Supsalemgr wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:03 am
Whack9 wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 6:35 am
El Salvador VP states US is paying them to imprison Garcia

https://www.latintimes.com/el-salvadora ... ays-580968

This is something we already knew.

- US claims they can't retrieve Garcia. He's in El Salvadore's hands and there's nothing we can do
- El Salvador's president claims he can't send Garcia back to the US. That would be tantamount to human smuggling.
- El Salvadore's VP states the US is paying to keep Garcia imprisoned, that's why they can't release him
- van Hollen asks to see Garcia and is denied. El Salvador says they need a heads up
- van Hollen says he'll return at a later date. El Salvador says "no that won't work either". They state he needs approval from US embassy. I wonder if that'll happen.

Based on what has been said, seems like yes, the US could in fact demand his return. There are plenty of ways the US could apply pressure. We already knew this, but it's interesting to see events play out.

The point that will likely go over the bootlickers heads: this isn't so much about this one man, it's about the rule of law and the separation of powers in our system of government. You can't do things like this with impunity. There's a specific process we follow to prevent innocents from being wrongly caught up in the system. If you toss that out then this is no longer a nation of "liberty and justice for all", it's a nation dependent on the whims of one man.

Truly a master negotiator we have as president. He can't even negotiate a deal to release a man his administration is paying to keep imprisoned. The country of El Salvador more powerful that the United States I guess.

Seems like for an administration hell bent on cutting waste, returning the prisoner and no longer having to pay to keep him imprisoned would surely save us some money, no?
I hope the left keeps on with this outrage. Nothing like fighting to have proven thug returned to our country.
If Trump smacked your spouse in the face, I'd imagine you'd fall down on your knees and thank him for blessing you with his time and tell your spouse to apologize for being in the way of his hand.

That's the kind of spine some of you guys seem to have when it comes to that boy. I will never understand it. Not to mention you can't read:
The point that will likely go over the bootlickers heads: this isn't so much about this one man, it's about the rule of law and the separation of powers in our system of government. You can't do things like this with impunity. There's a specific process we follow to prevent innocents from being wrongly caught up in the system. If you toss that out then this is no longer a nation of "liberty and justice for all", it's a nation dependent on the whims of one man.
Can't figure out if you're trolling, or just struggle with reading comprehension sometimes.

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Whack9 wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:17 am
Supsalemgr wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:03 am
Whack9 wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 6:35 am
El Salvador VP states US is paying them to imprison Garcia

https://www.latintimes.com/el-salvadora ... ays-580968

This is something we already knew.

- US claims they can't retrieve Garcia. He's in El Salvadore's hands and there's nothing we can do
- El Salvador's president claims he can't send Garcia back to the US. That would be tantamount to human smuggling.
- El Salvadore's VP states the US is paying to keep Garcia imprisoned, that's why they can't release him
- van Hollen asks to see Garcia and is denied. El Salvador says they need a heads up
- van Hollen says he'll return at a later date. El Salvador says "no that won't work either". They state he needs approval from US embassy. I wonder if that'll happen.

Based on what has been said, seems like yes, the US could in fact demand his return. There are plenty of ways the US could apply pressure. We already knew this, but it's interesting to see events play out.

The point that will likely go over the bootlickers heads: this isn't so much about this one man, it's about the rule of law and the separation of powers in our system of government. You can't do things like this with impunity. There's a specific process we follow to prevent innocents from being wrongly caught up in the system. If you toss that out then this is no longer a nation of "liberty and justice for all", it's a nation dependent on the whims of one man.

Truly a master negotiator we have as president. He can't even negotiate a deal to release a man his administration is paying to keep imprisoned. The country of El Salvador more powerful that the United States I guess.

Seems like for an administration hell bent on cutting waste, returning the prisoner and no longer having to pay to keep him imprisoned would surely save us some money, no?
I hope the left keeps on with this outrage. Nothing like fighting to have proven thug returned to our country.
If Trump smacked your spouse in the face, I'd imagine you'd fall down on your knees and thank him for blessing you with his time and tell your spouse to apologize for being in the way of his hand.

That's the kind of spine some of you guys seem to have when it comes to that boy. I will never understand it. Not to mention you can't read:
The point that will likely go over the bootlickers heads: this isn't so much about this one man, it's about the rule of law and the separation of powers in our system of government. You can't do things like this with impunity. There's a specific process we follow to prevent innocents from being wrongly caught up in the system. If you toss that out then this is no longer a nation of "liberty and justice for all", it's a nation dependent on the whims of one man.
Can't figure out if you're trolling, or just struggle with reading comprehension sometimes.
He has to follow the Faux News line on this, as well as all things trump. Notice how he totally dismisses the FACT this guy has never been charged with, much less been convicted, of a crime in the US or in El Salvador. He's in this prison based solely on an unproven allegation from an "informant." The "informant" bullshit was the same thing Comer tried to use (with the Smirnoff guy) to impeach Biden. That "informant" was later charged with lying to the FBI and tax evasion. He's in a federal prison. The trump DOJ is attempting to drop his charges and let him out. I wonder what supplicant thinks of that case......but I don't wonder for long because I know he's parrot the Faux News line on that matter as well.

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Whack9 wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:17 am
Supsalemgr wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:03 am
Whack9 wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 6:35 am
El Salvador VP states US is paying them to imprison Garcia

https://www.latintimes.com/el-salvadora ... ays-580968

This is something we already knew.

- US claims they can't retrieve Garcia. He's in El Salvadore's hands and there's nothing we can do
- El Salvador's president claims he can't send Garcia back to the US. That would be tantamount to human smuggling.
- El Salvadore's VP states the US is paying to keep Garcia imprisoned, that's why they can't release him
- van Hollen asks to see Garcia and is denied. El Salvador says they need a heads up
- van Hollen says he'll return at a later date. El Salvador says "no that won't work either". They state he needs approval from US embassy. I wonder if that'll happen.

Based on what has been said, seems like yes, the US could in fact demand his return. There are plenty of ways the US could apply pressure. We already knew this, but it's interesting to see events play out.

The point that will likely go over the bootlickers heads: this isn't so much about this one man, it's about the rule of law and the separation of powers in our system of government. You can't do things like this with impunity. There's a specific process we follow to prevent innocents from being wrongly caught up in the system. If you toss that out then this is no longer a nation of "liberty and justice for all", it's a nation dependent on the whims of one man.

Truly a master negotiator we have as president. He can't even negotiate a deal to release a man his administration is paying to keep imprisoned. The country of El Salvador more powerful that the United States I guess.

Seems like for an administration hell bent on cutting waste, returning the prisoner and no longer having to pay to keep him imprisoned would surely save us some money, no?
I hope the left keeps on with this outrage. Nothing like fighting to have proven thug returned to our country.
If Trump smacked your spouse in the face, I'd imagine you'd fall down on your knees and thank him for blessing you with his time and tell your spouse to apologize for being in the way of his hand.

That's the kind of spine you appear to have. Not to mention you can't read:
The point that will likely go over the bootlickers heads: this isn't so much about this one man, it's about the rule of law and the separation of powers in our system of government. You can't do things like this with impunity. There's a specific process we follow to prevent innocents from being wrongly caught up in the system. If you toss that out then this is no longer a nation of "liberty and justice for all", it's a nation dependent on the whims of one man.
Can't figure out if you're trolling, or just struggle with reading comprehension sometimes.
THE REAL STORY: Kilmar Abrego Garcia is an MS-13 Gang member with a History of Violence

“We hear far too much in the mainstream media about sob stories of gang members and criminal illegals and not enough about their victims.” - Secretary Noem

WASHINGTON – The mainstream media has peddled a sob story about Kilmar Abrego Garcia. The facts are he is an illegal alien from El Salvador, a MS-13 gang member, and has a history of violence.

FAST FACTS:

1. When Garcia was arrested, he was found with rolls of cash and drugs.Kilmar Abrego Garcia

2. He was arrested with two other members of MS-13.

3. When arrested, he was wearing a sweatshirt with roles of money covering the ears, mouth, and eyes of presidents on various currency denominations. This is a known MS-13 gang symbol of see no evil, hear no evil, say no evil.

4. Two judges found that he was a member of MS-13. That finding has not been disturbed.

5. Intelligence reports found that he was involved in human trafficking.

7. He claimed fear of being returned to El Salvador because he would be persecuted by MS-13's rival gang, Barrio-18.

8. Jennifer Vasquez, Garcia’s wife, petitioned for an order of protection against him. She claimed he punched her, scratched her, and ripped off her shirt, and bruised her.

6. He is an illegal alien from El Salvador.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/04/16/kil ... y-violence

Whack, would you feel comfortable having him as a resident in your neighborhood? The residents of O Really's gated community definitely would be in an uproar.

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Garcia came here from El Salvador when he was 16. After coming here, he was granted legal protection by a federal court which was intended to ensure he was not deported back to El Salvador. The court found that Garcia had been a victim of gang violence and would be in danger of being killed if he were deported. The man was deported illegally by the trump administration in violation of an existing federal court order that was over ten years old. The administration even admist he was wrongly deported, blaming it on "an administrative error." So, not only has the administration violated an existing federal court order of protection covering Garcia; they've also so far defied a unanimous Supreme Court decision. Garcia is not the criminal here (he had for years been covered by a federal court order of protection) but the trump administration is. Incredible how some idiots just cannot understand this. It is not hard to understand.

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neoplacebo wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:21 am
Garcia came here from El Salvador when he was 16. After coming here, he was granted legal protection by a federal court which was intended to ensure he was not deported back to El Salvador. The court found that Garcia had been a victim of gang violence and would be in danger of being killed if he were deported. The man was deported illegally by the trump administration in violation of an existing federal court order that was over ten years old. The administration even admist he was wrongly deported, blaming it on "an administrative error." So, not only has the administration violated an existing federal court order of protection covering Garcia; they've also so far defied a unanimous Supreme Court decision. Garcia is not the criminal here (he had for years been covered by a federal court order of protection) but the trump administration is. Incredible how some idiots just cannot understand this. It is not hard to understand.
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neoplacebo wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:21 am
Garcia came here from El Salvador when he was 16. After coming here, he was granted legal protection by a federal court which was intended to ensure he was not deported back to El Salvador. The court found that Garcia had been a victim of gang violence and would be in danger of being killed if he were deported. The man was deported illegally by the trump administration in violation of an existing federal court order that was over ten years old. The administration even admist he was wrongly deported, blaming it on "an administrative error." So, not only has the administration violated an existing federal court order of protection covering Garcia; they've also so far defied a unanimous Supreme Court decision. Garcia is not the criminal here (he had for years been covered by a federal court order of protection) but the trump administration is. Incredible how some idiots just cannot understand this. It is not hard to understand.
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Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:10 am
THE REAL STORY: Kilmar Abrego Garcia is an MS-13 Gang member with a History of Violence

“We hear far too much in the mainstream media about sob stories of gang members and criminal illegals and not enough about their victims.” - Secretary Noem

WASHINGTON – The mainstream media has peddled a sob story about Kilmar Abrego Garcia. The facts are he is an illegal alien from El Salvador, a MS-13 gang member, and has a history of violence.

FAST FACTS:

1. When Garcia was arrested, he was found with rolls of cash and drugs.Kilmar Abrego Garcia

2. He was arrested with two other members of MS-13.

3. When arrested, he was wearing a sweatshirt with roles of money covering the ears, mouth, and eyes of presidents on various currency denominations. This is a known MS-13 gang symbol of see no evil, hear no evil, say no evil.

4. Two judges found that he was a member of MS-13. That finding has not been disturbed.

5. Intelligence reports found that he was involved in human trafficking.

7. He claimed fear of being returned to El Salvador because he would be persecuted by MS-13's rival gang, Barrio-18.

8. Jennifer Vasquez, Garcia’s wife, petitioned for an order of protection against him. She claimed he punched her, scratched her, and ripped off her shirt, and bruised her.

6. He is an illegal alien from El Salvador.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/04/16/kil ... y-violence

Whack, would you feel comfortable having him as a resident in your neighborhood? The residents of O Really's gated community definitely would be in an uproar.
Asking you the same question I asked Whack.

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Oh wait.....

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