Who Was Running The White House?

[Jasmine]

I think it is a gross exaggeration and intentionally childishly insulting to say he was a " decomposing cadaver dressed in a suit. There were enough public appearances both before and after the catastrophic ummm "debate" to show that wasn't true, even though it's pretty clear he's losing some faculties. Take the Republican exaggeration and spin out of it though, and I don't think you'll get much argument here that he should have stepped down. Had he done so with a year left in his term, Kamala would have had time to earn her nomination and would have run as an incumbent and likely we wouldn't have the mess we have now. But really, even if he was only a part-time President, the same people managing the various aspects of the government were the same ones that were hired/appointed to do so.

Toss exaggeration? Childishly insulting? Sure. But it’s fun to say, and Biden deserves any ridicule he gets. Let me repeat: The White House, DNC and national media intentionally misled the American public into believing that the walking carcass was fully capable and competent as our nation’s leader. It took a nationally televised disaster to expose the truth.

[GoCubsGo]

Vrede touched on health scandals. I'll also add that FDR was wheelchair bound and kept that a secret from the American people. Even worse was his overall health when he ran and won in 1944.

Declining health
Roosevelt, a chain-smoker throughout his adult life,[315][316] had been in declining health since at least 1940. In March 1944, shortly after his 62nd birthday, he underwent testing at Bethesda Hospital and was found to have hypertension, atherosclerosis, coronary artery disease causing angina pectoris, and congestive heart failure.[317][318][319]

Hospital physicians and two outside specialists ordered Roosevelt to rest. His personal physician, Admiral Ross McIntire, created a daily schedule that banned business guests for lunch and incorporated two hours of rest daily. During the 1944 re-election campaign, McIntire denied several times that Roosevelt's health was poor; on October 12, for example, he announced that "The President's health is perfectly OK. There are absolutely no organic difficulties at all."[320] Roosevelt realized that his declining health could eventually make it impossible for him to continue as president, and in 1945 he told a confidant that he might resign from the presidency following the end of the war.[321]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankli ... ing_health


When Roosevelt returned to the United States from the Yalta Conference, everyone was shocked to see how old, thin and frail he looked. In his address to Congress he spoke while seated, an unprecedented concession to his physical incapacity.[325] On March 29, 1945, Roosevelt departed for the Little White House in Warm Springs, Georgia, to rest before his anticipated appearance at the founding conference of the United Nations.[326]

In the afternoon of April 12, 1945, in Warm Springs, Georgia, while sitting for a portrait by Elizabeth Shoumatoff, Roosevelt said: "I have a terrific headache." He then slumped forward in his chair, unconscious, and was carried into his bedroom. The president's attending cardiologist, Howard Bruenn, diagnosed a massive intracerebral hemorrhage.[327] At 3:35 p.m., Roosevelt died at the age of 63.[328]


Roosevelt's declining physical health had been kept secret from the public, just as his wheelchair was kept a secret from the public. Although he was allowed to work only four hours a day, the illusion of activity was kept up.[336] In the scholarly book The Dying President: Franklin D. Roosevelt, 1944–1945 by Robert Ferrell, the extent to which the president and his top aides went to keep the public in the dark about decline is explored, as well as the political and diplomatic problems that arose both from the illness and the secrecy.[337] It argues that Roosevelt was too sick to have remained in office, and that his inability to work led to critical foreign-policy mistakes in 1944–1945, as well as a failure to prepare Vice President Harry S. Truman to take over. What little energy he had for presidential affairs he focused on building support for the new United Nations.[338

But there's plenty of scandals to choose from that aren't heath related.

Watergate toppled a presidency.

I personally think Iran Contra is the lowest of the low.

Remember, we had recently come off he Iran hostage crisis which was a huge catalyst for Reagan's 1980 win.

Iran–Contra, was a political scandal in the United States that centered around arms trafficking to Iran between 1981 and 1986, facilitated by senior officials of the Ronald Reagan administration. As Iran was subject to an arms embargo at the time of the scandal, the sale of arms was deemed illegal.[1] The administration hoped to use the proceeds of the arms sale to fund the Contras, an anti-Sandinista rebel group in Nicaragua. Under the Boland Amendment, passed by Congress in a 411-0 vote and signed into law by Reagan, further funding of the Contras by legislative appropriations was prohibited by Congress, but the Reagan administration continued funding them secretively using non-appropriated funds.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2 ... tra_affair

Supposedly Reagan was unaware (bullshit) and his effing Secretary of Defense was indicted along with others.

Jasmine, you're a victim of recency bias, an overhyped (by the right wing) book, the internet algorithms of your search patterns and a lack of historical perspective.

[Vrede too]

Teapot Dome was one of the great American scandals. Then, there are many scandals originating with the "Robber Barons".

Since Jasmine claimed "the WORST scandal in the history of our country" and didn't limit herself to presidential scandals, I'd put the Triangle Shirtwaist fire on the list.

Then, there's one that Jasmine should have thought of immediately - the illegal internment of US citizens of Japanese descent during WW2.

US limits on immigration by European Jews prior to WW2. I've visited Dachau and Neuengamme.

Andersonville, which I've visited.

Slavery.

Jim Crow and the KKK.

The Big Lie, J6 and the pardoning of 1K+ terrorists.

The hundreds of Cheney/Shrub LIES used to justify the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of deaths.

The Bhopal, India disaster - highly toxic gas leak from the Texas-based Union Carbide pesticide plant. 4K - 16K dead, 500K+ injured, the world's worst industrial disaster.

Atomic Guinea Pigs - sailors, soldiers and the American public subjected to the effects of open air nuclear weapons testing. Tens of thousands of deaths.

TRE45QN's mismanagement of the pandemic. Hundreds of thousands of deaths.

My Lai and the Vietnam War as a whole, as revealed by the Pentagon Papers.

Even the worst wingnuttery that can be imagined about Joltin' Joe doesn't hold a candle to any one of these.

But there's plenty of scandals to choose from that aren't heath related.

Watergate toppled a presidency.

I personally think Iran Contra is the lowest of the low.

Remember, we had recently come off the Iran hostage crisis which was a huge catalyst for Reagan's 1980 win.


Jasmine, you're a victim of recency bias, an overhyped (by the right wing) book, the internet algorithms of your search patterns and a lack of historical perspective.

Yup, and Faux Noise, Jasmine's go-to news source.

[GoCubsGo]

And FDR's (probable) knowledge of the impending Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour.

[Vrede too]

And FDR's (probable) knowledge of the impending Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

Or, at the very least, the lack of US preparation for an attack that had been wargamed with striking specificity just a few years prior. Is something wrong with Hawaii's schools?

[GoCubsGo]

Oh yeah, speaking of incapacitated presidents.

How about Nixon stumbling around the Whitehouse in the middle of the night hammered on scotch and talking to portraits.

[Vrede too]

Oh yeah, speaking of incapacitated presidents.

How about Nixon stumbling around the Whitehouse in the middle of the night hammered on scotch and talking to portraits.

Or Ford playing golf when he was sober.

Or the cost to the taxpayers of 4 1/2 years of DonOLD's golf junkets.

[Supsalemgr]

If all the allegations are true about Biden not really being in charge - and considering his obvious decline, I tend to believe the allegations - then this has to be the WORST scandal in the history of our country. Just imagine: The so-called leader of the free world was just a decomposing cadaver dressed in a suit while other people were calling the shots in leading our nation. That’s just unforgivable. And the media and DNC were complicit in covering it all up.

Worst of all is Biden himself. If he really cared about his country, he would have stepped aside instead of seeking re-election. Given his power lust and selfishness, it’s hard to feel sorry for his present state. It’s the least of what he deserves.

I will argue that Ronald Reagan should have been kicked out of power as soon as his memory started to short circuit..

Well put, but some on the left seems to be in full denial mode.

[1 CAT FAN]

If all the allegations are true about Biden not really being in charge - and considering his obvious decline, I tend to believe the allegations - then this has to be the WORST scandal in the history of our country. Just imagine: The so-called leader of the free world was just a decomposing cadaver dressed in a suit while other people were calling the shots in leading our nation. That’s just unforgivable. And the media and DNC were complicit in covering it all up.

The plan was to TRY and get him reelected then have him step aside for his health reasons allowing Kamala to be given the presidency. When they saw that he was too far gone they just threw his decomposing ass out. Then they TRIED to coach Kamala and that failed too.

[GoCubsGo]

Here's a real scandal.

[Vrede too]

Here's a real scandal.

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lqjbhavxfk2b

Whack9 by 25 minutes.
viewtopic.php?p=214152#p214152

[GoCubsGo]

Here's a real scandal.

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lqjbhavxfk2b

Whack9 by 25 minutes.
viewtopic.php?p=214152#p214152

Bears repeating.

He's fucking nuts and the wingnutsare in denial.

You want to lay odds that any of them can rationally defend this?

[Whack9]

Here's a real scandal.

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lqjbhavxfk2b

Whack9 by 25 minutes.
viewtopic.php?p=214152#p214152

It's equally as fitting for this thread

I guess we finally know the answer to this thread. Looks like it was Biden 's clone all along running the show. At least according to Donald Trump.

/S

Something is very wrong with the president.

[Whack9]

Here's a real scandal.

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lqjbhavxfk2b

Whack9 by 25 minutes.
viewtopic.php?p=214152#p214152

Bears repeating.

He's fucking nuts and the wingnutsare in denial.

You want to lay odds that any of them can rationally defend this?

We've already been down this path before. Remember the trans belly dancer Gaza AI video ?

"It was one of his aides"

"It was an assistant"

"He's trolling the left"

[1 CAT FAN]

If all the allegations are true about Biden not really being in charge - and considering his obvious decline, I tend to believe the allegations - then this has to be the WORST scandal in the history of our country. Just imagine: The so-called leader of the free world was just a decomposing cadaver dressed in a suit while other people were calling the shots in leading our nation. That’s just unforgivable. And the media and DNC were complicit in covering it all up.

The plan was to TRY and get him reelected then have him step aside for his health reasons allowing Kamala to be given the presidency. When they saw that he was too far gone they just threw his decomposing ass out. Then they TRIED to coach Kamala and that failed too.

Bears repeating

[Vrede too]

We've already been down this path before. Remember the trans belly dancer Gaza AI video ?

That feels like it was eons of stupidity ago.

"It was one of his aides"

"It was an assistant"

"He's trolling the left"

Ah, your Schrödinger's Douchebag routine. Post something offensively stupid, and then wait to see how people react to decide whether you were just joking.

... or an aide posted it.

[GoCubsGo]

Ah, your Schrödinger's Douchebag routine. Post something offensively stupid, and then wait to see how people react to decide whether you were just joking.

Best

Line

Ever!

[1 CAT FAN]

If all the allegations are true about Biden not really being in charge - and considering his obvious decline, I tend to believe the allegations - then this has to be the WORST scandal in the history of our country. Just imagine: The so-called leader of the free world was just a decomposing cadaver dressed in a suit while other people were calling the shots in leading our nation. That’s just unforgivable. And the media and DNC were complicit in covering it all up.

The plan was to TRY and get him reelected then have him step aside for his health reasons allowing Kamala to be given the presidency. When they saw that he was too far gone they just threw his decomposing ass out. Then they TRIED to coach Kamala and that failed too.

Bears repeating

Bears repeating again