Billy Graham suggesting Mormons are a cult.

[bannination]

By all means, present this proof of an intelligent designer to us.

Like I told "Crock", (I like that name, it fits the ol boy), lets start with the most common example, "Human Genome", intricate design, unexplainable thus far, obviously intelligent mapping going on here. Fact.... intricate detail is never formed from chaos.

Unexplainable? Science fail. It's one of the most explainable things in science. - Evolution.

[k9nanny]

There's no such thing as Nothing. Giving it a name makes it Something.

[blackfoot]

oh now bf, how can I name something that I don't know;

For a start you could ask one of your idiot atheist friends on here that claim to know there is no God. But then you would still know nothing.

[blackfoot]

Then I gather the "foot" in blackfoot refers to the one you keep in your mouth.. .

What a crock.

Care to try again to name something that was created from "nothing"?

Easy. The universe.

You mean the universe wasn't created from baryonic matter with atoms and gases, and leptons and quarks, and even smaller subatomic particles, such as protons, neutrons and electrons, but in fact was made from "nothing"?

Keep digging your hole buffoon.

[Tertius]

Then I gather the "foot" in blackfoot refers to the one you keep in your mouth.. .

What a crock.

Care to try again to name something that was created from "nothing"?

Easy. The universe.

What triggered the creation of the universe from nothing? You say you reject God because of the lack of science. Please explain to me in your own words, not a link or copy and paste. The contradiction of the creation of the universe from nothing vs. the law of conservation of matter and energy.

[blackfoot]

Science not one of your strong points I see.....not surprising.

Something that was created from nothing? Come on...try harder...

Nice dodge. Demonstrate how the human genome was designed or GTFO.

Intricately and precisely. Now stop wasting my time by pretending you know anything about..anything.

[AntiAlias]

Science not one of your strong points I see.....not surprising.

Something that was created from nothing? Come on...try harder...

Nice dodge. Demonstrate how the human genome was designed or GTFO.

Intricately and precisely. Now stop wasting my time by pretending you know anything about..anything.

Demonstrate to us how the human genome was designed. Do it. Or shut the fuck up. Describe the mechanism that designed the human genome. Do it. Stop dodging. YOU brought it up.

[blackfoot]

Demonstrate to us how the human genome was designed. Do it. Or shut the fuck up. Describe the mechanism that designed the human genome. Do it. Stop dodging. YOU brought it up.

Funny, you can't even wipe your own rectum.... you think I'm going to waste any more time on a dweeb like you? Seriously?

[Reality]

So neoplacebo, is Obama going to stand with his Muslim brothers because of his Islamic religious convictions or stand with them becuase he thinks they will be persecuted like the Japanese? I'm betting on religious convictions. Of course in Obama's case no one is sure what his religious convictions are. Depends on the audience.

[AntiAlias]

Demonstrate to us how the human genome was designed. Do it. Or shut the fuck up. Describe the mechanism that designed the human genome. Do it. Stop dodging. YOU brought it up.

Funny, you can't even wipe your own rectum.... you think I'm going to waste any more time on a dweeb like you? Seriously?

Another deflection. Demonstrate to us how the human genome was designed. Describe, for us, the mechanism that designed the human genome. Do it. Offer us this evidence you say exists. Quit being a pussy.

[O Really]

Here's an interesting article on the topic...http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012 ... rch-romney

[Stinger]

oh now bf, how can I name something that I don't know;

For a start you could ask one of your idiot atheist friends on here that claim to know there is no God. But then you would still know nothing.

Or you could show us the proof that there is a god. When you make an assertion and someone challenges it, you're supposed to prove your assertion.

With real proof.

[Stinger]

Demonstrate to us how the human genome was designed. Do it. Or shut the fuck up. Describe the mechanism that designed the human genome. Do it. Stop dodging. YOU brought it up.

Funny, you can't even wipe your own rectum.... you think I'm going to waste any more time on a dweeb like you? Seriously?

[Tertius]

oh now bf, how can I name something that I don't know;

For a start you could ask one of your idiot atheist friends on here that claim to know there is no God. But then you would still know nothing.

Or you could show us the proof that there is a god. When you make an assertion and someone challenges it, you're supposed to prove your assertion.

With real proof.

Christians believe in God as a matter of faith. Faith is without proof.

[AntiAlias]

Agreed, Hugh. Tell that to the giant pussy, blackfoot. Have him admit that, and I will cease my attack. Otherwise, I win.

[O Really]

So neoplacebo, is Obama going to stand with his Muslim brothers because of his Islamic religious convictions or stand with them becuase he thinks they will be persecuted like the Japanese? I'm betting on religious convictions. Of course in Obama's case no one is sure what his religious convictions are. Depends on the audience.

So, did you make up the "Muslim brothers" part, or did you misquote in your original off-subject post? It's got to be one or the other since "Muslim brothers" isn't found in the quote in your post. In fact, no mention of religion is made in the quote, is it? " Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example..." is the only reference to the groups being discussed. So have those from Arab countries as well as Pakistan and other "stan" countries been subject to additional scrutiny, as were the Japanese in WWII or not? And, if you want to shoehorn it into a religious issue, if you were one who actually believed in freedom of religion and you found that people who had nothing to do with 9/11 or other jihadist activity were being discriminated against because of their religion, would you stand up for them or join those denying them their First Amendment rights? Nevermind, rhetorical question.

[Reality]

O'really, earlier in this thread your buddy Bannination said "Yes, but by learning the beliefs of particular faiths and people you can get an idea of how rational and sane a person is". He made that statement when the thread was bantering back and forth about personal religious convictions and being our President. I take that to mean we are discussing religion and it's influence on how a President thinks and acts. So what's your understanding of what we are discussing since you think I'm off topic.

Bannination's quote implied being a follower and believer of a religious faith also defined how rational and sane a person is. At that point I brought Obama into the discussion because he appears to sit somewhere in the middle between Christianity and Islam. If, as Banni says, religion guides our President, which one does Obama use? That's when I presented the quote from Audacity of Hope where Obama said he would stand with Arab and Pakistani Americans (I used the term Muslim Brothers - what do you want to use) should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

If you think Obama's Islamic convictions didn't have and influence on what he said, remember we are talking about how religion influences one's rationale and sanity, what did? If you think it didn't then this entire thread is a bust and it doesn't make any difference what religion the POTUS serves. POTUS Clinton proved that.

[homerfobe]

Technology constantly amazes me.

I get the impression that anything more complex than a stick amazes you.. .

Not my fault that you have a weak mind and your reasonings fail you. Whine much?

[k9nanny]

Christians believe in Gad as a matter of faith. Faith is without proof.

My personal Gad is a Gad-about Gadfly.

[homerfobe]

Then I gather the "foot" in blackfoot refers to the one you keep in your mouth.. .

Care to try again to name something that was created from "nothing"?

I don't know much about this religion thing because it seems most religions revolve around what each religion's membership wants
to believe, or want others to believe in regards to that particular religion, so I just step back and let 'em have at it.

Now, as far as a Creator, that's a different story. I don't believe that this world was created out of a naturally occurring process because I don't believe that things around us just couldn't occur naturally.

For instance:
The air we breathe contains just the right amount of oxygen and nitrogen mixture. The carbon dioxide we emit is absorbed by trees that in turn produce more oxygen/nitrogen for us to breathe.

The various layers between the earth's surface and outer space is just right to keep us from freezing or frying, or being overly exposed to damaging radiations from space.

The earth is approximately 75% water, the largest amount is undrinkable is it's current state; yet every drop of water that has ever been on earth since the beginning of time, is still here. Water falls to the earth where it is filtered by the earth and we reuse it over and over.

The human brain is one of the most complex computers that could ever be designed. Man is not capable of utilizing his entire brain.

New life is formed by the fertilization, by a sperm carrying life form, of an egg in the body of an egg-bearing life form. One form cannot fertilize itself.

Whether or not there is an evil force that exists called the Devil/Satan, etc., I can't say, but if he/it doesn't exist in a real sense, I believe his/it's spirit, called sin, is alive and well just because of what I see around me. I don't believe that a male or female should turn their sexual desires towards another male or female. If creation naturally occurred, so as to permit procreation, where in hell did homosexuality come from? (oops! I believe I just answered that!) Humans, which are the most intelligent life forms on this planet, are the only life forms that choose to wantonly kill their unborn or kill them after they're born. Many lower life forms may choose to kill their offspring as a means of survival for themselves, or if they sense that their offspring cannot survive due to circumstances they cannot control.

There's plenty more reasons I believe in Creation and the presence of Sin, but I don't think I ought to list them here. All of you are intelligent people and regardless what you choose to think or convey to others, you know where I'm coming from, and if you'll stop and think, you'll probably agree with me.