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Vrede too wrote:
Sun Jun 29, 2025 7:14 pm

If I tried to list it I know that I would forget some well publicized items.
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GoCubsGo wrote:
Sun Jun 29, 2025 6:54 pm
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Sun Jun 29, 2025 6:06 pm
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Sun Jun 29, 2025 5:41 pm
it is beyond my understanding except as an fu to dems.

https://bsky.app/profile/nytimes.com/post/3lsrmippmqn2o
It's also an indirect subsidy to King Coal and Big Oil & Gas. Remember that DonOLD openly solicited bribes from them during the campaign in exchange for favorable actions as POTUS*.
Jeez.

I had forgotten.

In my defense, who can keep up with all the grift?
Not even GQP Senators.
A megabill mystery: New solar and wind tax comes as a surprise to Republican senators

Tucked inside Republicans' massive domestic policy bill is an excise tax for wind and solar projects, a provision that came as a surprise not just to the renewable energy industry, but also to numerous senators who are crafting the legislation.

In a twist, Republican senators insist they don't know how or why the tax was inserted into the bill they're rushing to pass. No senator is taking credit for or defending it....
Sounds to me like TACO DonOLD got one of the Republican chairs - Finance (Mike Crapo of Idaho), Energy and Natural Resources (Mike Lee of Utah), Environment and Public Works (Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia) - to insert it on the sly. Cowards.
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Sounds to me like TACO DonOLD got one of the Republican chairs - Finance (Mike Crapo of Idaho), Energy and Natural Resources (Mike Lee of Utah), Environment and Public Works (Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia) - to insert it on the sly. Cowards.
Wonder how much of the BBB can and will be struck down by the courts.
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Tue Jul 01, 2025 10:58 am
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Tue Jul 01, 2025 9:06 am

Sounds to me like TACO DonOLD got one of the Republican chairs - Finance (Mike Crapo of Idaho), Energy and Natural Resources (Mike Lee of Utah), Environment and Public Works (Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia) - to insert it on the sly. Cowards.
Wonder how much of the BBB can and will be struck down by the courts.
AFAIK there's nothing unconstitutional or illegal about removing subsidies for an industry and then taxing it based on Chinese content.

Other parts of the BBB . . . ?
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Yeah, fuck her BTW.

What bullshit crocodile tears. All she had to do is vote no.

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Tue Jul 01, 2025 6:33 pm
Yeah, fuck her BTW.

What bullshit crocodile tears. All she had to do is vote no.

https://x.com/ryanobles/status/1940093824212046118
Agreed.
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Sun Jun 29, 2025 9:32 am
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Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:45 pm
Murkowski?
Unreal.

https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski ... qpavi5bk2y
Rejected by the parliamentarian. She had to wheedle out new pork for AK.

Asshole.

Yep.

Collins?

Yes :-|| Also Rand and Johnson the johnson (R-WI).

Jasmine's "noncontiguous" Hawaii should also get this special consideration. Not sure about noncontiguous nonstates Puerto Rico and Guam.

No idea if the new pork is for other "noncontiguous" state/territory.

Okay then, we may have to depend on SINO Johnson the johnson's inability to wrangle House dissenters. :think: :problem:

Yep. He's had a long time to browbeat dissenters.
However:

House GOP fumes over Senate megabill: ‘How did it get so much f‑‑‑ing worse?’

To conference and new chamber votes? If so, there goes the July 4 goal.
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To conference and new chamber votes? If so, there goes the July 4 goal.
......to be debated and changed.....And back to the Senate.
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More.

You know House not quite crazy MAGAts are praying these guys get them off the hook.


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Talk's cheap.

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I can't believe you guys are surprised Murkowski voted for it. She always does when the "Price is right".

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I can't believe you guys are surprised Murkowski voted for it. She always does when the "Price is right".
No surprise at all.
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Sun Jun 29, 2025 5:41 pm
it is beyond my understanding except as an fu to dems.

The excise tax for wind and solar projects was removed from the Senate bill before passage :thumbup: . I suspect that ending subsidies stayed in the bill, but the article I read did not say. :(
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Vrede too wrote:
Tue Jul 01, 2025 2:33 pm
GoCubsGo wrote:
Tue Jul 01, 2025 10:58 am
Vrede too wrote:
Tue Jul 01, 2025 9:06 am

Sounds to me like TACO DonOLD got one of the Republican chairs - Finance (Mike Crapo of Idaho), Energy and Natural Resources (Mike Lee of Utah), Environment and Public Works (Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia) - to insert it on the sly. Cowards.
Wonder how much of the BBB can and will be struck down by the courts.
AFAIK there's nothing unconstitutional or illegal about removing subsidies for an industry and then taxing it based on Chinese content.

Other parts of the BBB . . . ?
Maybe not, but as I've mentioned about some car projects, "just because you can doesn't mean you should."

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What I find fascinating is how the allegedly pro business GQP have effectively decimated American alternate energy programs. Over a lying whiny culture war issue. That they would sacrifice any future American advancements in wind, solar, or battery development, as well as trying to immediately destroy American competitiveness in an emerging technology while at the same time hasnding China a massive gift is quite something. Hell, even Melon Musk has pointed this out.....purposely sabotaging new technology in favor of existing and inevitably doomed technology. That takes real pretzel thinking and more than a little money changing hands. Despicable. Stupid. Corrupt.

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Wed Jul 02, 2025 2:56 pm
What I find fascinating is how the allegedly pro business GQP have effectively decimated American alternate energy programs. Over a lying whiny culture war issue. That they would sacrifice any future American advancements in wind, solar, or battery development, as well as trying to immediately destroy American competitiveness in an emerging technology while at the same time hasnding China a massive gift is quite something. Hell, even Melon Musk has pointed this out.....purposely sabotaging new technology in favor of existing and inevitably doomed technology. That takes real pretzel thinking and more than a little money changing hands. Despicable. Stupid. Corrupt.
The tax was dumped, but I'd like to see an analysis of what effect the end of green subsidies will have.

Even the "good" things are a trap:
AOC Exposes Catch in “No Tax on Tips” Rule in Trump’s Budget
“As one of the only people in this body who has lived off of tips, I want to tell you a little bit about the scam,” warned Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.


The no tax on tips provision of Donald Trump’s budget cannot be the pro-labor gift that the president has made it out to be while the rest of the bill slashes health care and other social programs for lower-income people. Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez shed some light as to why that’s the case.

“On this point of tax on tips, as one of the only people in this body who has lived off of tips, I wanna tell you a little bit about the scam of that text, a little bit of the fine print there,” she said on Wednesday. “The cap on that is $25,000—while you’re jacking up taxes on people who make less than $50,00 across the United States while taking away their SNAP, while taking away their Medicaid, while kicking them off of the ACA and their health care extensions.

“So if you’re at home and you’re living off tips, you do the math. Is that worth it to you? Losing all your health care? Not able to feed your babies? Not being able to put a diaper on their bottom, in exchange for what? This bill is a deal with the devil. It explodes our national debt, it militarizes our entire economy, and it strips away health care and basic dignity of the American people for what? To give Elon Musk a tax break and billionaires the greedy taking of our nation? We cannot stand for it, and we will not support it. You should be ashamed.”

It’s hard to be excited about perceived tax cuts—like the no tax on tips provision—when they’re easily outweighed by the costs incurred by cuts to SNAP, Medicaid, and the Affordable Care Act. And furthermore, lower-income people who rely on tips already qualify for the standard tax deduction in federal taxes. The math here only makes a significant difference for higher earners, and makes virtually none at all for those who need it the most. Many of the people this provision is supposed to help are already making below a living wage, which is why tips are so important here in the first place.

The deduction is also only available until 2028.
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Tue Jul 01, 2025 2:33 pm
AFAIK there's nothing unconstitutional or illegal about removing subsidies for an industry and then taxing it based on Chinese content.

Other parts of the BBB . . . ?
Maybe not, but as I've mentioned about some car projects, "just because you can doesn't mean you should."

https://s3.amazonaws.com/speedhunters-w ... 00x800.jpg
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Ain't nobody buying this crap.

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Wed Jul 02, 2025 11:50 pm
Ain't nobody buying this crap.

(Hit play for a belly laugh.)

https://x.com/patriottakes/status/1940618788392800311

https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1940594418358088124
:roll: It's a trap!
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neoplacebo wrote:
Wed Jul 02, 2025 2:56 pm
What I find fascinating is how the allegedly pro business GQP have effectively decimated American alternate energy programs. Over a lying whiny culture war issue. That they would sacrifice any future American advancements in wind, solar, or battery development, as well as trying to immediately destroy American competitiveness in an emerging technology while at the same time hasnding China a massive gift is quite something. Hell, even Melon Musk has pointed this out.....purposely sabotaging new technology in favor of existing and inevitably doomed technology. That takes real pretzel thinking and more than a little money changing hands. Despicable. Stupid. Corrupt.
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Wed Jul 02, 2025 8:12 pm
The tax was dumped, but I'd like to see an analysis of what effect the end of green subsidies will have.
Here we go:
Trump's Brazen New Lie Leads To Instant Fact-Check On Social Media
The president called on "somebody" to check his claim... and lots of people did.


President Donald Trump on Friday made a wild new claim about wind power as he renewed his attacks on renewable energy.

Trump complained that many of the components used in wind turbines are made in China, then suggested that China itself doesn’t actually use wind turbines.

“I have never seen a wind farm in China,” Trump declared. “Why is that? Somebody check that out.”

In reality, China is far and away the world’s leading producer of wind energy, with more than triple the current U.S. wind capacity.
I know that China is huge on green energy. Why doesn't PINO?
Trump, however, has long had issues with renewable energy ― especially wind, which he has called “bullshit” and “a hoax,” a grudge he has held since a dispute over an offshore wind farm near one of his resorts.
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Now, Trump might finally get his way as his “big beautiful bill” will wipe out tax credits for wind and solar power, potentially decimating the industry. The Rhodium Group, a research firm, estimates the bill will put a stop to between 57% and 72% of new solar and wind projects.

North America’s Building Trades Unions slammed the move as “the biggest job-killing bill in the history of this country” as those projects are cancelled.

“Critical infrastructure projects essential to that future are being sacrificed at the altar of ideology,” the organization said in a statement....
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China is the global leader in wind energy, with the largest installed capacity of wind power worldwide, including extensive onshore and offshore wind farms.
(links for evidence)
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China leads the world in permitting & building new coal plants, but they have over 7000 wind turbines & are one of the leaders in solar power. Look, this guy loves coal & hates anything green, I get it. But the incessant lying, that’s easily fact checked, is off the charts!
A wind farm, in China.
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There are tons of wind farms in China. Just another pointless easy to debunk lie that the cult will eat up like fast food.
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China is a global leader in wind energy. Here's a pic.
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Wind power generates 10% of electricity in China, about the same percentage as wind power in US.

Trump should be able to know this.
“As of April 2025, 138 wind farms were operating in China. China has the largest number of offshore wind farms, followed by the United Kingdom, Vietnam, and Germany”
Opps. More Dementia DonOLD corrections at the link.
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