U.S. District Judge Karin Immergut, who was appointed by Trump during his first term, issued the order pending further arguments in the suit. She said the relatively small protests the city has seen did not justify the use of federalized forces and allowing the deployment could harm Oregon’s state sovereignty.
“This country has a longstanding and foundational tradition of resistance to government overreach, especially in the form of military intrusion into civil affairs,” Immergut wrote. She later continued, “This historical tradition boils down to a simple proposition: this is a nation of Constitutional law, not martial law.”
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Plaintiffs were able to show that the demonstrations at the immigration building were not significantly violent or disruptive ahead of the president’s order, the judge wrote, and “overall, the protests were small and uneventful.”
“The President’s determination was simply untethered to the facts,” Immergut wrote.
These small protests do not warrant federalization of the national guard. Especially sending guards from one state to another, against the recipient state's wishes. There has NEVER been a scenario like the one I mentioned above. This is entirely new and unprecedented.
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SoupySales will twist himself into a pretzel that has no resemblance to his formerly held con principles in order to excuse and defend his Cult leader.
Good thing we still have a few true cons like Republican U.S. District Judge Karin Immergut.
Lament the murder, not the murdered.
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On top of all that......let's review......the ONLY time trump SHOULD have called up the DC National Guard and DIDN'T was on Jan 6th. 2021. Not only did he not send them to disperse his cult members from ransacking the Capitol, he lied and whined that Nancy Pelosi "refused to send in the Guard." A blatant lie (no surprise) to say the Speaker of the House controls the DC Guard. So, trump failed in his duty back then and he's failing in his duty now and is acting in ways intended to result in more conflict. Amazing that so many fools still think this man is some sort of great man.
SoupySales will twist himself into a pretzel that has no resemblance to his formerly held con principles in order to excuse and defend his Cult leader.
Good thing we still have a few true cons like Republican U.S. District Judge Karin Immergut.
U.S. District Judge Karin Immergut, who was appointed by Trump during his first term, issued the order pending further arguments in the suit. She said the relatively small protests the city has seen did not justify the use of federalized forces and allowing the deployment could harm Oregon’s state sovereignty.
“This country has a longstanding and foundational tradition of resistance to government overreach, especially in the form of military intrusion into civil affairs,” Immergut wrote. She later continued, “This historical tradition boils down to a simple proposition: this is a nation of Constitutional law, not martial law.”
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Plaintiffs were able to show that the demonstrations at the immigration building were not significantly violent or disruptive ahead of the president’s order, the judge wrote, and “overall, the protests were small and uneventful.”
“The President’s determination was simply untethered to the facts,” Immergut wrote.
"These small protests do not warrant federalization of the national guard. Especially sending guards from one state to another, against the recipient state's wishes. There has NEVER been a scenario like the one I mentioned above. This is entirely new and unprecedented."
A matter for debate. One district judge's opinion is just one voice.
These small protests do not warrant federalization of the national guard. Especially sending guards from one state to another, against the recipient state's wishes. There has NEVER been a scenario like the one I mentioned above. This is entirely new and unprecedented.
On top of all that......let's review......the ONLY time trump SHOULD have called up the DC National Guard and DIDN'T was on Jan 6th. 2021. Not only did he not send them to disperse his cult members from ransacking the Capitol, he lied and whined that Nancy Pelosi "refused to send in the Guard." A blatant lie (no surprise) to say the Speaker of the House controls the DC Guard. So, trump failed in his duty back then and he's failing in his duty now and is acting in ways intended to result in more conflict. Amazing that so many fools still think this man is some sort of great man.
... Gov. Greg Abbott (R-Texas) said in a statement Sunday on X that he had fully authorized Trump to “call up 400 members of the Texas National Guard to ensure safety for federal officials.”
“You can either fully enforce protection for federal employees or get out of the way and let Texas Guard do it,” he wrote.
Fuckin' cowboy.
... On Sunday, Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker (D) told CNN that ICE agents had been “raiding neighborhoods where, instead of going after the bad guys, they’re just picking up people who are brown and Black and then checking their credentials.”
Racist jackboots.
... Paul A. Gowder, professor of law at Northwestern University’s Pritzker School of Law, emphasized that we are in “uncharted territory” as it relates to concerns about the deployment of the National Guard to a state over the objections of its governor.
“No president has ever tried to do anything like this,” he told HuffPost. “While presidents have invoked the Insurrection Act to bring in the military to address domestic unrest, this has typically been in response to actual rebellions and various other kinds of mob action (plus some really ugly abuses in the early days of the labor movement against strikers), and hasn’t been against the will of state governments.” ...
Experts weigh in on the Texas National Guard’s presence in Illinois.
... Gowder emphasized that there’s been “no invasion or rebellion” and that protests against ICE raids in Chicago are not what’s considered a rebellion. What’s more, he said, ICE and Customs and Border Protection have seemed perfectly capable of executing — and “currently brutally over-executing” — the administration’s immigration laws.
And as it relates to Title 32, Gowder said that the statute “presupposes a large degree of federal-state cooperation,” but it’s “really a mystery how it is supposed to apply when the state isn’t willing to have troops present.”
“Because Texas isn’t authorized to operate its national guard in Illinois, we essentially have a situation where one state is invading another,” he said. “Given that military conflict between states was the main thing the Constitution was supposed to prevent, I feel pretty safe calling such an interstate invasion unconstitutional.”
“We essentially have a situation where one state is invading another.”
- Paul A. Gowder, professor at Northwestern University’s Pritzker School of Law
Atiba Ellis, professor of law, Laura B. Chisholm Distinguished Research Scholar, and associate dean for enrichment and engagement at Case Western Reserve University School of Law, believes that the administration’s deployment of National Guard troops to U.S. cities, “where the administration has pronounced an emergency (on not much basis aside from its own declaration)” is dubious.
“It conflicts with the long tradition of avoiding military entanglement with civilian law enforcement,” he later continued. “It is ironic that the Trump administration’s agenda appears to conflict with the traditional conservative commitment to allowing states full authority within their sovereign boundaries.” ...
MAGA no longer cares about being con. Worship of Dear Leader is everything.
Trump’s rhetoric is “extremely” scary and authoritarian, Gowder said.
... Gowder later emphasized that Trump “doesn’t like to have political opponents.”
“Because he and the people around him like [Stephen] Miller and [JD] Vance believe that he is entitled to rule by decree like a dictator,” he said. “But dictatorship only functions through intimidation, through heavily armed bully boys roaming the streets ready to hurt anyone who questions the regime.”
“ICE is already serving that function, but Mr. Trump evidently doesn’t think that’s enough and wants full-fledged military occupation to make the message perfectly clear,” he added.
Lament the murder, not the murdered.
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years from now, people will be struggling to explain to their kids that yes, we resisted wearing frog, chicken, unicorn, and reptar costumes
I like how frogs have been stolen back from the RW Pepe crowd. Image wars.
Everything violent you see is one of the tactical clad asshats doing something that hurts others or destroys property all because they have no idea how to handle the fact that Portland citizens have opinions and are using their rights to express them.
I don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turn the friggin' frogs antifa!
It's so weird how much of what's happening in America is in response to blatantly, ridiculously false bullshit spewed on an entertainment channel that dresses up its propaganda as news.
"Radical lefts reign of terror"... Atleast they aren't like overdramatizing and lying on national TV
Lament the murder, not the murdered.
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I guess this could go in one of the election threads but I decided to put it here.....apparently a former Republican elections official has bought the Dominion voting machine company. When I read this story, I got the same sort of feeling one gets after flushing the toilet and the water just keeps getting higher instead of going down. I don't like it.
Is a military presence required for that?
