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Vrede too wrote:
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So maybe Charlie Kirk was a really nice fellow, champion of love of humanity and eligible for sainthood and he just said all those racist hate-baiting things because he's an entertainer and performer.
What kind of person is entertained by that racist hate-baiting performance?
I'm a Democrat. My Turning Point USA chapter welcomed me with open arms.

When I arrived at the University of North Carolina-Asheville in 2024, I stood firm in my belief that I was a liberal. I was under the impression liberalism was about tolerance and acceptance for all.

As a political science major, I had a strong desire to stay politically active on campus, but I wanted to study all sides of the spectrum. I made the choice to join both the College Democrats and Turning Point USA this past spring semester of 2025.

Turning Point USA welcomed my unique perspective with open arms. Their president was actually thrilled that I am a Democrat and introduced me as such. She introduced me to the other members and they seemed excited to see that I was willing to talk to them.

I would attend club meetings and debate other members. Not only were my ideas heard, but I was debated civilly and engaged post-meetings by many members, who treated me as a colleague and not an opponent. They were genuinely invested in my thoughts and ideas.

My first meeting at College Democrats was jarring in comparison, and quite eye-opening, too. I had visions in my head of inviting members of the DNC to campus, organizing protests, and having healthy debates with my peers.

What I observed instead was a vast majority of individuals in the club joking about taking their own lives as a bleak response to their disgust with the current state of the world. Passive suicide ideation was accepted and joked about while we spoke about how prominent political figures make them feel.

Many members openly described themselves as depressed, anxious, autistic and suicidal, wearing their illnesses like badges of honor.

Before long, the members of the College Democrats found out I was also a member of Turning Point USA. Next came the name calling and jeers on campus.

Multiple members of the College Democrats consulted the leadership of the club and interrogated the president to find out why I'd been allowed to attend TPUSA meetings, as if I needed permission to talk across the aisle.

In the following weeks, I was stopped and questioned several times on campus about my beliefs by other College Democrats. To their credit, the president of College Democrats at UNCA attempted to encourage others to discuss our disagreements in a more formal manner, but to many it fell on deaf ears.

I soon reached a point of frustration with the group and before long stopped attending. I still champion good causes that I consider to be liberal: pro-gay marriage, progressive tax systems for the wealthy, and even free healthcare.

But there are two different Democratic parties right now — people who lean left and people who need help. The latter are people who are miserable and will attempt to position you as inferior while victimizing themselves if you do not march to their tune.

After the shooting of Charlie Kirk last month, many on campus mourned the tragedy, but I noticed some of the same individuals who shouted me down last semester championed his death.

The week following Kirk's murder I began seeing posters advertising a seminar that stated: "Be Gay. Do Crime. Everyday acts of queer resistance and rebellion." It was to be led by a UNCA sociology professor.

A week ago I would have mistaken the poster as another cringe-worthy phrase pulled from a Reddit post. But after Kirk's killing it feels different and all too intentional.

A call to arms roping gay individuals into a message about violent rhetoric is about the worst thing you can do for the community right now.

Since coming to UNCA, my understanding of the liberal spectrum has been broadened in a haunting fashion.

I am no longer sure of my future as a Democrat. I am certain, however, that if Democrats want to ever win votes back, they need to stop romanticizing victimhood and violence and start engaging in a civil and productive manner.
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supesalemgr2 wrote:
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Well, it apparently hasn't helped you out.
Your concern about me is appreciative.
The only "concern" I hold with regard to you is the fact that you evidently cannot recognize hate mongering when you see it, but instead you evidently embrace and advocate for it. That's the difference between you and I......I tolerate stuff like Charlie Kirk; you advocate for it.

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Well, it apparently hasn't helped you out.
Your concern about me is appreciative.
The only "concern" I hold with regard to you is the fact that you evidently cannot recognize hate mongering when you see it, but instead you evidently embrace and advocate for it. That's the difference between you and I......I tolerate stuff like Charlie Kirk; you advocate for it.
UNC Asheville Democrat TPUSA member stated his first meeting with college democrats was jarring in comparison. Many campus democrats described themselves as depressed, anxious, autistic and suicidal, wearing their illnesses like badges of honor.
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Here's a good one.....a guy running for president of Young Republicans started a chat room where he and other Young Republicans praise Hitler, exchange vile racist remarks, and generally be themselves. Yet when the text messages are made public, they begin crying and apologizing and alleging that their own words were somehow manipulated. Looks like the Young Republicans are nothing but a whiny bunch of snowflakes who like to talk big talk but wilt like parched flowers when confronted.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/vil ... 53658.html

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Here's a good one.....a guy running for president of Young Republicans started a chat room where he and other Young Republicans praise Hitler, exchange vile racist remarks, and generally be themselves. Yet when the text messages are made public, they begin crying and apologizing and alleging that their own words were somehow manipulated. Looks like the Young Republicans are nothing but a whiny bunch of snowflakes who like to talk big talk but wilt like parched flowers when confronted.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/vil ... 53658.html
:sick: Not much different from the quotes we've posted from Charlie, who was posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom :roll: . MAGA celebrates vile bigotry.
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neoplacebo wrote:
Tue Oct 14, 2025 8:33 am
supesalemgr2 wrote:
Mon Oct 13, 2025 12:09 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
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Well, it apparently hasn't helped you out.
Your concern about me is appreciative.
The only "concern" I hold with regard to you is the fact that you evidently cannot recognize hate mongering when you see it, but instead you evidently embrace and advocate for it. That's the difference between you and I......I tolerate stuff like Charlie Kirk; you advocate for it.
UNC Asheville Democrat TPUSA member stated his first meeting with college democrats was jarring in comparison. Many campus democrats described themselves as depressed, anxious, autistic and suicidal, wearing their illnesses like badges of honor.
UNC Asheville democrat - The week following Kirk's murder I began seeing posters advertising a seminar that stated: "Be Gay. Do Crime. Everyday acts of queer resistance and rebellion." It was to be led by a UNCA sociology professor.

In Vrede & Neo's day they probably led that class in the back of a Volkswagen van.
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The nationwide YR text messages are probably representative of most private MAGA chats. A lot of the hateful attitudes have been openly displayed in GQP policy.
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Vrede too wrote:
Wed Oct 15, 2025 10:05 am
The nationwide YR text messages are probably representative of most private MAGA chats. A lot of the hateful attitudes have been openly displayed in GQP policy.
When I read the chats and saw that they involved those associated with the "Young Republicans" I assumed the participants were a bunch of stupid ass teenagers trying to be edgy. Vance seemed to suggest that was the case as well in his comments on the matter.

No, 8/11 of the participants' ages ranged from 24-35.
“The reality is that kids do stupid things, especially young boys,” Vance said. “They tell edgy, offensive jokes. That’s what kids do. And I really don’t want us to grow up in a country where a kid telling a stupid joke – telling a very offensive, stupid joke – is cause to ruin their lives.”

Mother Jones reports that public records indicate that eight of the 11 Republican operatives who took part in the offensive chat appear to range in age from 24 to 35.
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The nationwide YR text messages are probably representative of most private MAGA chats. A lot of the hateful attitudes have been openly displayed in GQP policy.
Yep, and the cult gushes in awe as usual. Just the other day, a staffer in some new IA Congressional House member has an American flag altered to include a swastika in the stripes. Once a photo of it became public, the congressman claimed complete ignorance of the subject and made the standard (lie) that this "does not represent the views of myself or my staff" and that there will be no further statement until the Capitol Police investigation is complete. But if you contact the Capitol Police they just say that they cannot provide any more info because the government is shut down.

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"Kids"
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Yep, and the cult gushes in awe as usual. Just the other day, a staffer in some new IA Congressional House member has an American flag altered to include a swastika in the stripes. Once a photo of it became public, the congressman claimed complete ignorance of the subject and made the standard (lie) that this "does not represent the views of myself or my staff" and that there will be no further statement until the Capitol Police investigation is complete. But if you contact the Capitol Police they just say that they cannot provide any more info because the government is shut down.
The Nazi flag was spotted in some group video chat. That's how stupid MAGAts are.

Rep. Dave Taylor (R-Ohio), pinned to what appears to be a cubicle wall behind Angelo Elia, one of Taylor’s staffers.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/1 ... e-00609704

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Vrede too wrote:
Thu Oct 16, 2025 3:09 pm
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Yep, and the cult gushes in awe as usual. Just the other day, a staffer in some new IA Congressional House member has an American flag altered to include a swastika in the stripes. Once a photo of it became public, the congressman claimed complete ignorance of the subject and made the standard (lie) that this "does not represent the views of myself or my staff" and that there will be no further statement until the Capitol Police investigation is complete. But if you contact the Capitol Police they just say that they cannot provide any more info because the government is shut down.
The Nazi flag was spotted in some group video chat. That's how stupid MAGAts are.

Rep. Dave Taylor (R-Ohio), pinned to what appears to be a cubicle wall behind Angelo Elia, one of Taylor’s staffers.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/1 ... e-00609704

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Yep, and now everybody involved in it is practicing trump LAW (LIE AND WHINE) saying that they were duped by some prankster and that the flag "appeared normal at first glance" but I spotted the swastika right off. It's not subtle at all. They have been lying and whining so incessantly for so long that lying and whining is the go to option in any situation.

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Yep, and now everybody involved in it is practicing trump LAW (LIE AND WHINE) saying that they were duped by some prankster and that the flag "appeared normal at first glance" but I spotted the swastika right off. It's not subtle at all. They have been lying and whining so incessantly for so long that lying and whining is the go to option in any situation.
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Rep. Dave Taylor (R-OH): We're not evil, just very very dumb.

Let's say that it is a prank - Somewhere there is a lefty laughing her/his ass off over a punking that worked beyond her/his wildest imagination.
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Vrede too wrote:
Fri Oct 17, 2025 8:32 am
neoplacebo wrote:
Fri Oct 17, 2025 7:33 am
Vrede too wrote:
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Yep, and now everybody involved in it is practicing trump LAW (LIE AND WHINE) saying that they were duped by some prankster and that the flag "appeared normal at first glance" but I spotted the swastika right off. It's not subtle at all. They have been lying and whining so incessantly for so long that lying and whining is the go to option in any situation.
:thumbup:

Rep. Dave Taylor (R-OH): We're not evil, just very very dumb.

Let's say that it is a prank - Somewhere there is a lefty laughing her/his ass off over a punking that worked beyond her/his wildest imagination.
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:lol: Just yesterday SINO Johnson, while denying that Republicans are Nazis, made what the article said was "an epic Freudian slip" when he stated that "we defended that evil ideology" when he meant to say "we defeated" it but instead admitted the truth.

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:lol: Just yesterday SINO Johnson, while denying that Republicans are Nazis, made what the article said was "an epic Freudian slip" when he stated that "we defended that evil ideology" when he meant to say "we defeated" it but instead admitted the truth.
"defended"? Hell, they're doing their best to reproduce it. 'Antifa' is meant literally.
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Vrede too wrote:
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:lol: Just yesterday SINO Johnson, while denying that Republicans are Nazis, made what the article said was "an epic Freudian slip" when he stated that "we defended that evil ideology" when he meant to say "we defeated" it but instead admitted the truth.
"defended"? Hell, they're doing their best to reproduce it. 'Antifa' is meant literally.
And all the trump cult waterheads have been taught that Antifa is bad. That's how fucking stupid they are.....they stupidly claim they're not fascists while they whine and moan and demonize a movement that literally is anti fascist. Apparently they cannot comprehend the disconnect in their idiotic stance.

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Or maybe they're more clever than we think. They probably know that to proclaim themselves facists or nazis would not please the general population, so they claim to be anti-facist (the more popular position) while getting rid of those who would keep them from their facist goals.
I used to think these people were stupid - it was easier and more rational than acknowledging how politically evil they are. And undoubtedly there are some stupid ones among the following herds. But the leaders are willing to do anything necessary to establish one-party rule and to ignore any potentially restricting laws. 38-40% - not that far under half - of voters still support/approve of Trump's antics. And we all thought it was just hubris and braggadacio when he said he could shoot someone on Madison Ave and not lose supporters. He was right, and he's proved it.

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And we all thought it was just hubris and braggadacio when he said he could shoot someone on Madison Ave and not lose supporters. He was right, and he's proved it.
Yeah, we certainly never dreamed the cult of lemmings was this strong, and i don't think he actually knew it at the time. At least not so widespread and also factoring in that the majority of the republican congresscritters have no spine much less real principles or fidelity to the constitution.

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Supes, et.al., is willing to gloss over the details and use overly broad concepts so as to avoid admitting what Trump's really doing. They're willing to say "a President has the authority to declare an emergency, right?" without noticing that there really isn't an actual condition constituting an "emergency." They're willing to say "a President's appointments should be confirmed" without looking at the documented lack of experience or knowledge some of these appointees have. They're willing to say "enforcing immigration laws is a good thing" without noticing that the "enforcement" uses tactics that have been found numerous times to be illegal.

As far as I know, no group of congresscritters has ever before been so compliant with such blatant abuse.

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I acknowledge there is a movable line between full use of authority and abuse. That line is in different locations depending on one's own views. The positions conflict when situations like Broadview, IL arise. The governor does not want the feds and the feds say they are there to protect federal assets.

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