Latin America

[Vrede too]

MAGA always LIES.

Leaving aside the coming war, we could have given Maduro a bribe and security assurances in a third country for a fraction of the cost of the deployment so far.

MAGA always wastes taxpayer money. :angry-banghead:

If DonOld is really stupid enough to escalate, a distinct possibility he's guaranteed his third impeachment.

The point is to goad Maduro into giving Jagoff/DonOLD an excuse.

A 3rd failure to convict?

[GoCubsGo]

A 3rd failure to convict?

Yup.

[GoCubsGo]

Killing or deposing Maduro. He's said mean things about DonOLD. Also, distraction from the Epstein files and other abominations. Long term occupation seems unlikely, but who would have predicted that we would have troops in Afghanistan for 20 years and a few troops still in Iraq 22 years later? Foresight has not been a forte of our bloodthirsty, interventionist, imperialist nation. :thumbdown:

Regime change usually involves having a preferred new regime ready to go. There's no 9/11, the country isn't going to rally to stop the actual trickle of drugs that may or probably doesn't come from Venezuela. He might as well invade Canada or Greenland, same diff.

Is he crazy and desperate enough for the Peace President to go to this length to cover for Epstein? -0-?

Maybe if there's Pee Tapes or he did blow Bubba....

Wow.

[GoCubsGo]

What's next?

[GoCubsGo]

[supesalemgr2]

There are always questions about authority in these situations. Let us not forget the Biden Administration got an indictment for Maduro which opens up the authority to capture.

[O Really]

There are always questions about authority in these situations. Let us not forget the Biden Administration got an indictment for Maduro which opens up the authority to capture.

Assuming that's accurate, when did Trump ever continue anything Biden started? And back to more of an original question, what law gives the US authority to play police inside a sovereign country? Netenyahoo had and maybe has an international war crimes indictment, but nobody thinks it's OK to go nab him in Israel.

[supesalemgr2]

There are always questions about authority in these situations. Let us not forget the Biden Administration got an indictment for Maduro which opens up the authority to capture.

Assuming that's accurate, when did Trump ever continue anything Biden started? And back to more of an original question, what law gives the US authority to play police inside a sovereign country? Netenyahoo had and maybe has an international war crimes indictment, but nobody thinks it's OK to go nab him in Israel.

That is the question I refer. Apparently there is precedent. The same with Noriega in 1989. It does give you guys another subject to get your panties in a wad.

[O Really]

Yeah, well, the panties would be in a wad over this no matter what flavour of President named himself bully of the day or King of the World.

[Vrede too]

Assuming that's accurate, when did Trump ever continue anything Biden started? And back to more of an original question, what law gives the US authority to play police inside a sovereign country? Netenyahoo had and maybe has an international war crimes indictment, but nobody thinks it's OK to go nab him in Israel.

I do, by the UN or Holland.

U.S. interventions in Latin America and the Caribbean haven't always gone as planned

The overthrow of Guatemala's (democratically elected) government in 1954
The war for United Fruit Company, now Chiquita. Decades of extreme oppression to follow. Thanks, Ike.

The Bay of Pigs invasion
How did that work out in the long run?

The U.S. invasion of Grenada :laughing-rolling:

U.S. support for the Nicaraguan Contras
Terrorists without popular support.

The U.S. invasion of Panama
Now, Dementia Don pardons drug trafficking Latin American leaders. :wtf:



Also, there's:
Selective facilitation of drug trafficking.
Creation of the bloodbaths in El Salvador and Colombia.
Sponsorship of decades of brutal RW rule in:
Argentina
Chile, where Kissinger created a coup
Brasil
Honduras, etc

:crybaby:

[GoCubsGo]

Rotsa ruck getting oil employees to go down there.

Trump admin sends tough private message to oil companies on Venezuela

Administration officials have told oil executives in recent weeks that if they want compensation for their rigs, pipelines and other seized property, then they must be prepared to go back into Venezuela now and invest heavily in reviving its shattered petroleum industry, two people familiar with the administration's outreach told POLITICO on Saturday. The outlook for Venezuela’s shattered oil infrastructure is one of the major questions following the U.S. military action that captured leader Nicolás Maduro.

But people in the industry said the administration’s message has left them still leery about the difficulty of rebuilding decayed oil fields in a country where it’s not even clear who will lead the country for the foreseeable future.

"They're saying, ‘you gotta go in if you want to play and get reimbursed,’" said one industry official familiar with the conversations.

The offer has been on the table for the last 10 days, the person said. “But the infrastructure currently there is so dilapidated that no one at these companies can adequately assess what is needed to make it operable.”

[supesalemgr2]

The need and desire for oil will motivate companies to take advantage of this opportunity. Their capitalistic expertise will overcome any challenges. Yes, there will be challenges but they will be resolved.

[GoCubsGo]

He doesn't know a thing about it!

He hasn't caught the news lately. :laughing-rolling:

[O Really]

The need and desire for oil will motivate companies to take advantage of this opportunity. Their capitalistic expertise will overcome any challenges. Yes, there will be challenges but they will be resolved.

There's a good term for that view:

Spoiler:

Being a "Pollyanna" means being excessively or blindly optimistic, always looking for the good in every situation, often to the point of seeming naive or ignoring negative realities

[GoCubsGo]

The need and desire for oil will motivate companies to take advantage of this opportunity. Their capitalistic expertise will overcome any challenges. Yes, there will be challenges but they will be resolved.

There's a good term for that view:

Spoiler:

Being a "Pollyanna" means being excessively or blindly optimistic, always looking for the good in every situation, often to the point of seeming naive or ignoring negative realities

The oil companies will probably get some mercenary types for lots of $$$$$$......maybe. If there's boots on the ground to protect them.

[supesalemgr2]

You guy's negativity is noted.

[O Really]

US President, with no Congressional input, raids a sovereign country and kidnaps its president and brings along the wife for entertainment, I guess. Says he's gonna raid the country's oil resources. What could possibly go wrong?

[GoCubsGo]

US President, with no Congressional input, raids a sovereign country and kidnaps its president and brings along the wife for entertainment, I guess. Says he's gonna raid the country's oil resources. What could possibly go wrong?

Remember in 2003 when they said that Iraqi oil resources would pay for the war?

This group make Bush and Cheney look like geniuses.

[GoCubsGo]

You guy's negativity is noted.

Tell us what there is to be positive about?

By their own admission, they got no plan.

Shit, they aren't even on the same page about why we did it.

:laughing-rolling:


They have no clue as to what the fuck they are doing.

Secretary of State Marco Rubio suggested Sunday that the United States would not take a day-to-day role in governing Venezuela other than enforcing an existing “oil quarantine” on the country, a turnaround after President Donald Trump announced a day earlier that the U.S. would be running Venezuela following its ouster of leader Nicolás Maduro.

Rubio's statements on TV talk shows seemed designed to temper concerns about whether the assertive American action to achieve regime change might again produce a prolonged foreign intervention or failed attempt at nation-building. They stood in contrast to Trump’s broad but vague claims that the U.S. would at least temporarily “run” the oil-rich nation, comments that suggested some sort of governing structure under which Caracas would be controlled by Washington.

[O Really]

Didn't the US used to decry and criticize predator countries establishing "puppet governments"?