Guns, race, religion, terror, wingnut thread

[1 CAT FAN]

I acknowledge there is a movable line between full use of authority and abuse. That line is in different locations depending on one's own views. The positions conflict when situations like Broadview, IL arise. The governor does not want the feds and the feds say they are there to protect federal assets.

When they have to clean up leftists mess, they're only as strong as their weakest link, dumbocrats.

[O Really]

I acknowledge there is a movable line between full use of authority and abuse. That line is in different locations depending on one's own views. The positions conflict when situations like Broadview, IL arise. The governor does not want the feds and the feds say they are there to protect federal assets.

"... say they are there to protect federal assets."

Ya know how federal assets have been protected pretty much forever? Security measures, like fences and electronics. Guards. Surveillance. Preparation to respond in case of a breach. Sending in the National Guard "just in case" is unprecedented and just for intimidation.

[1 CAT FAN]

O Really stated security measures like fences.

Probably typed that from his home inside his gated community.

I acknowledge there is a movable line between full use of authority and abuse. That line is in different locations depending on one's own views. The positions conflict when situations like Broadview, IL arise. The governor does not want the feds and the feds say they are there to protect federal assets.

When they have to clean up leftists mess, they're only as strong as their weakest link, dumbocrats.

Then again, maybe he's bored with the Alien Rally.

[Vrede too]

Ya know how federal assets have been protected pretty much forever? Security measures, like fences and electronics. Guards. Surveillance. Preparation to respond in case of a breach. Sending in the National Guard "just in case" is unprecedented and just for intimidation.

"protect federal assets" that have barely been harmed and only face any risk at all as a result of the deliberate provocations by Dementia Don's forces.
Fixed that for him.

Think Reichstag fire.

[1 CAT FAN]

Did your Alien Rally end early?

O Really stated security measures like fences.

Probably typed that from his home inside his gated community.

I acknowledge there is a movable line between full use of authority and abuse. That line is in different locations depending on one's own views. The positions conflict when situations like Broadview, IL arise. The governor does not want the feds and the feds say they are there to protect federal assets.

When they have to clean up leftists mess, they're only as strong as their weakest link, dumbocrats.

Then again, maybe he's bored with the Alien Rally.

[supesalemgr2]

Ya know how federal assets have been protected pretty much forever? Security measures, like fences and electronics. Guards. Surveillance. Preparation to respond in case of a breach. Sending in the National Guard "just in case" is unprecedented and just for intimidation.

"protect federal assets" that have barely been harmed and only face any risk at all as a result of the deliberate provocations by Dementia Don's forces.
Fixed that for him.

Think Reichstag fire.

Responses from O Really and Vrede verify my thought that there is a movable line between enforcement of law and abuse of law.

[O Really]

Well there certainly is a moveable line, and that line should be transversed through reason and judgement. That's not happening much with the ICE people.

[Whack9]

Lmaoooo I remember seeing this website:

MAGA Site Took Money to Unmask Charlie Kirk Critics—Then Vanished


https://www.thedailybeast.com/maga-site ... -vanished/

A pro-MAGA website that urged supporters to fund a database unmasking Charlie Kirk critics took tens of thousands in crypto—then vanished, infuriating donors.

The site, Expose Charlie’s Murderers, launched hours after the assassination of the right-wing influencer, 31, in September. It promised a searchable trove of names and workplaces for “the largest firing operation in history,” according to Drop Site’s review of the now-offline project

The site listed six crypto wallets and raised more than $30,000 between Sept. 12 and 14 before repeatedly going dark, resurfacing as the “Charlie Kirk Data Foundation,” and disappearing again, Drop Site reported.

...

The site targeting critics of Kirk capitalized on that outrage, boasting “63,648 submissions,” while publishing only a few dozen entries before its domains—registered via Namecheap and later Epik—were pulled or dropped over bogus registration data and DDoS threats, according to Drop Site

[Vrede too]

Lmaoooo I remember seeing this website:

MAGA Site Took Money to Unmask Charlie Kirk Critics—Then Vanished


https://www.thedailybeast.com/maga-site ... -vanished/

It's likely just a scam set up to take money from gullible fools. Do you think 1 FAT CAN donated? I guess "We Build the Wall", Steve Bannon's scam, didn't teach them a lesson.

Then again, what if it was set up by lefties in order to also send all of those "unmasked" Charlie critic submissions down a dead end? Do you think 1 FAT CAN snitched on some of us?

[Vrede too]

Does Dementia Don's "strategy" incite fatal shootings in areas that don't typically see them? Seems so.

Hey Donny, instead of punishing all Afghan and other refugees maybe we should only expel immigrants who worked for the CIA for years.

[GoCubsGo]

Ummmm.....


Let the conspiracies begin.

Also, it's effing weird.

Charlie Kirk Body Mystery: Still Not Buried 3 Months After Assassination?

[Vrede too]

Ummmm.....


Let the conspiracies begin.

Also, it's effing weird.

Charlie Kirk Body Mystery: Still Not Buried 3 Months After Assassination?

Some conspiracies are pretty obvious:
EriKa KirK

They're going to stuff him and make him an animatronic greeter at the new Charlie museum.

[GoCubsGo]

They're going to stuff him and make him an animatronic greeter at the new Charlie museum.

I'm thinking he's enshrined in her bedroom.

[Vrede too]

...

You may have dodged a bullet:

4 members of far-left group charged for alleged terror plot in California, feds say

Federal law enforcement officials said Monday that four members of a far-left anti-government group have been arrested and face charges for allegedly planning a series of bomb attacks across Southern California on New Year's Eve.

... The Turtle Island Liberation Front describes itself on Facebook as a political organization that seeks "liberation of occupied Turtle Island and liberation of all colonized people across the world." Turtle Island is the name used by some Indigenous peoples for North America.

The group has expressed pro-Palestinian messages on social media and has said it is fighting against "fascist colonizers." It has urged followers to bring Palestinian flags to protests.

An Instagram account for the group's Los Angeles chapter says it advocates for "liberation through decolonization and tribal sovereignty." The group does not appear to be particularly well-known: its Instagram account had fewer than 900 followers as of Monday morning, and its Facebook page was followed by just 32 users....

Links, for as long as they last:
nsabook: https://www.facebook.com/TurtleIslandLiberationFront
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/turtleislandl ... onfrontla/

Useless idiots. "Success" would have only made things worse. We will never be able to do violence better than the USG, never.



Found this:

List of unsuccessful terrorist plots in the United States post-9/11

I'm often amazed how quickly Wiki pages get updated.

[Vrede too]

We may have dodged a bullet hammer/knife here near Charlotte:

FBI says it disrupted a potential New Year's Eve attack inspired by Islamic State group

The FBI said Friday it disrupted a New Year's Eve attack plot targeting a grocery store and fast-food restaurant in North Carolina, arresting an 18-year-old man who authorities say pledged loyalty to the Islamic State group.

Christian (ironic name) Sturdivant was charged with attempting to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization after investigators say he shared plans for the attack with an undercover FBI employee posing as a supportive confidant.

Entrapment? Always a possibility with LEOs.

... The FBI has foiled several alleged attacks through sting operations in which agents posed as terror supporters, supplying advice and equipment. Critics say the strategy can amount to entrapment of mentally vulnerable people who wouldn't have the wherewithal to act alone....

As I said.

[O Really]

Entrapment is a twisty legal concept. As I understand it, and I may very well be mistaken, it depends a lot on how much the cop works on talking the target into doing something. If a guy is sitting in a bar and says "Imma gonna blow up the school", and the undercover cop says "ok, let's do it" and the guy says "I dunno, man, maybe not" and the cop says "c'mon let's do it. I'll get some C4, and we'll hit it when everybody gets there"...yada. Then that's probably entrapment. But if the guy is fairly prepared for his deed, but maybe needs some assistance or additional materials or maybe he's just bragging about his plan, then the cop can probably bag him.

[supesalemgr2]

Entrapment is a twisty legal concept. As I understand it, and I may very well be mistaken, it depends a lot on how much the cop works on talking the target into doing something. If a guy is sitting in a bar and says "Imma gonna blow up the school", and the undercover cop says "ok, let's do it" and the guy says "I dunno, man, maybe not" and the cop says "c'mon let's do it. I'll get some C4, and we'll hit it when everybody gets there"...yada. Then that's probably entrapment. But if the guy is fairly prepared for his deed, but maybe needs some assistance or additional materials or maybe he's just bragging about his plan, then the cop can probably bag him.

A reasonable and understandable explanation. I certainly agree it is a tricky situation.

[Vrede too]

Entrapment is a twisty legal concept. As I understand it, and I may very well be mistaken, it depends a lot on how much the cop works on talking the target into doing something. If a guy is sitting in a bar and says "Imma gonna blow up the school", and the undercover cop says "ok, let's do it" and the guy says "I dunno, man, maybe not" and the cop says "c'mon let's do it. I'll get some C4, and we'll hit it when everybody gets there"...yada. Then that's probably entrapment. But if the guy is fairly prepared for his deed, but maybe needs some assistance or additional materials or maybe he's just bragging about his plan, then the cop can probably bag him.

True. Most who are charged are convicted, but not all. A defense attorney might argue that he thought he was communicating with an ISIS leader, and that he didn't do anything other than collect a ridiculous number of legal weapons when he'd only be able to use two at a time. Doesn't sound very stable to me, another issue a defense attorney could raise.

[Vrede too]

Cowardly RWers do this EVERY time one of their own is a terrorist.

Slain Minnesota lawmaker's children call on Trump to remove social media video amplifying false claims about her death
Minnesota state Rep. Melissa Hortman and her husband, Mark, were killed in June.

Powerful words.

[O Really]

Tim Walz: "America is better than this."

No, Tim, it's not. Maybe Minnesota and some other select places are, but America as a whole, by intent or neglect, has twice elected and continues to support a person actively attempting to make the Constitution worthless, among other things a psychopath does.

What we used to think of as "America" wouldn't put up with a fraction of what happens now, and in fact didn't for over 200 years.