Re: CPF: The BEST Forum Ever

[Vrede too]

These people act like everybody in the country gets the same experience. But there's a lot of people living on one side or the other of the time zone divisions that have different time from their neighbors across the way, and the result might be an hour later sunrise then the other side. People adapt, even to the extremes of Alaska - or they move.

There's a reason this hasn't been revisited since it last tried in 1974. It was the only thing hated more than the current system.

There would actually be a ten percent loss of daylight during active time for people under the proposal.

Wouldn't that depend on each person's individual schedule? One year, because my firm had flex in-office scheduling, there were three of us who just decided we weren't going to go to standard time. We came in an hour early, left an hour early. Didn't have to drive home and tend my animals in the dark, weren't particularly bothered with the darkish in the morning because the traffic was low.

Opps, phrased that poorly.

CNN's Harry Enten discussed this using an analysis that defines "usable daylight" as days when people get both:
a sunrise before about 7:30 a.m., and
a sunset after about 5:30 p.m. �
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Using that metric:
Permanent standard time provides those conditions about 72% of the year (national average).
The current system (switching between standard time and DST) provides them about 69% of the year.
Permanent DST provides them only about 60% of the year. �
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So, compared with permanent standard time, permanent DST reduces the number of days with both an early-enough sunrise and a late-enough sunset by about 12 percentage points (roughly 17% fewer such days). Compared with the current system, it's about a 9 percentage point drop, which is probably the "about 10%" figure you heard. �
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The key point is that CNN wasn't saying Americans would lose 10% of all daylight. Rather, it was saying they would lose about 10% of the days that have what the analysis considers the most convenient combination of morning and evening daylight. That's a different measure than simply counting hours of sunlight.

I'm adaptable to whatever, but if I had to choose I would go with Permanent Standard Time. As a long term Northern Tier resident it's nice to have the ice somewhat burnt off in the winter before I hit the roads.

[GoCubsGo]

I'm adaptable to whatever, but if I had to choose I would go with Permanent Standard Time. As a long term Northern Tier resident it's nice to have the ice somewhat burnt off in the winter before I hit the roads.

I'd just leave everything as it is.

The sun rising at 4:30 a.m. in June and July on standard time is not giving me a warm fuzzy either.

[Vrede too]

I'm adaptable to whatever, but if I had to choose I would go with Permanent Standard Time. As a long term Northern Tier resident it's nice to have the ice somewhat burnt off in the winter before I hit the roads.

I'd just leave everything as it is.

The sun rising at 4:30 a.m. in June and July on standard time is not giving me a warm fuzzy either.

Fine with me. Perhaps I was unclear. If I had to choose between Permanent Standard Time and Permanent DST I would pick the former. I have no problem with the perpetual flip-flopping we currently have, instead. I've never gotten jet-lagged by it.

[neoplacebo]

Meh, if one really wants some heavy duty daylight savings time, move up past the Arctic Circle. You'll get all the daylight you can stand for six months.Then you will get daylight deficit time in which there's no daylight to be had for six months. I'm going to keep on working on how to really save time. I mean, grab some time and put it in a bottle or something and be able to use later on. What I keep running into problems with is that when I snatch smoe time to save, the concept of "later" no longer exists.

[O Really]

Enten has discovered that when you create your own definitions, it's easy to prove your own conclusions.
The daylight available within a time frame isn't fixed - it's a continuum moving east to west. A person living in Central time zone in Texas is gonna get a way later sunset than a Central person in Alabama. And GoCubsGo is gonna get a different sunset from Mississippi. (8:23 vs 7:28)

[bannination]

If it passes I'd bet it is repealed within a year.

[GoCubsGo]

Enten has discovered that when you create your own definitions, it's easy to prove your own conclusions.
The daylight available within a time frame isn't fixed - it's a continuum moving east to west. A person living in Central time zone in Texas is gonna get a way later sunset than a Central person in Alabama. And GoCubsGo is gonna get a different sunset from Mississippi. (8:23 vs 7:28)

True.
Think he averaged it out as a basis of comparison.

[GoCubsGo]

If it passes I'd bet it is repealed within a year.

To make the legislation even more stupid and confusing, states have the ability to opt out.

North Carolina and South Carolina on different time zones?

[bannination]

If it passes I'd bet it is repealed within a year.

To make the legislation even more stupid and confusing, states have the ability to opt out.

North Carolina and South Carolina on different time zones?

OMG, please noonono nononononononoonnonononononononononoonononononononononononnononoonono

They really thought nothing through on how that'd actually be implemented. Fucking idiots.

[O Really]

If it passes I'd bet it is repealed within a year.

To make the legislation even more stupid and confusing, states have the ability to opt out.

North Carolina and South Carolina on different time zones?

Yes, that would be stupid, but people around Arizona manage. And places like Florida, North and South Dakota, Tennessee and Kentucky manage with two different zones in the same state. Having said that, fershure I'd rather keep it like it is than to have a ridiculous hodgepodge of different times in all the states.