Billy Graham suggesting Mormons are a cult.

[Tertius]

There is nothing that tells me I need to kill you so you will go to hell for not having the same faith.

O rly?

"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God..." (Deuteronomy 13: 5)

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;" (Deuteronomy 13: 6)

"Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:8-9)

"Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword." (Deuteronomy 13:15)


Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword; their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.

Comment -

These severe laws commanded the members of the Hebrew religion to murder even their own children if they did not worship Yahweh (God).

These Bible words can justify, to a fanatical fundamentalist believer, the killing of friends or family simply because they may fail to change their beliefs.

Why anyone today would accept these words, much less allow them to exist in a sacred book goes against the nature of any tolerant and loving people.

Well I just spent an hour responding. When I submitted this board logged me off and everything was gone. I suppose long thoughtful answers are not appreciated. So here is the short answer. The OT is the foundation for Christianity and how God made ready Israel ready to give us Christ. Deuteronomy means "second law" for Israel not Christians.

The verses you quoted provide prophecy we see today and describes Mohammed, the false prophet and false god. It also is religious justification for Israel protecting themselves for Muslims.

I stand by may statement. This scripture tells Jews what they should do about false prophets. The only action I could justify for myself as a Christian is to stand by Israel. There is no individual Christian instruction here.

[Reality]

O'R, maybe the bench warmer is on the bench because he cannot recognize a fumble.

[Guest]

Ok, here we go again there is no such thing as nothing!!!
Yes, even fools have some substance to them; i.e. crap for brains, etc.

Even empty space has something in it.

Except for the minds of Bannination, O'Really, billy.pilgrim, neoplacebo, Crock Hunter, AntiAlias, Stinger, homerfobe, k9nanny, Bungalow Bill, Vrede, (where is Vrede, did you put him in time-out, Bannination?), and all other of the neighborhood bullies who got run out of their respective towns. ("Oh yay! Look y'all, a new forums! Let's go dump our shit there!"
Bunch of numb-nuts.


Gotta love those brilliant pieces of philosophy, though: there is no such thing as nothing; even empty space has something in it.

[k9nanny]

Ok, here we go again there is no such thing as nothing!!!
Yes, even fools have some substance to them; i.e. crap for brains, etc.

Even empty space has something in it.

Except for the minds of Bannination, O'Really, billy.pilgrim, neoplacebo, Crock Hunter, AntiAlias, Stinger, homerfobe, k9nanny, Bungalow Bill, Vrede, (where is Vrede, did you put him in time-out, Bannination?), and all other of the neighborhood bullies who got run out of their respective towns. ("Oh yay! Look y'all, a new forums! Let's go dump our shit there!"
Bunch of numb-nuts.


Gotta love those brilliant pieces of philosophy, though: there is no such thing as nothing; even empty space has something in it.

Please share your knowledge of "Nothing." As I said earlier, once it has a name, it can't be "Nothing."

[Guest]

Please share your knowledge of "Nothing." As I said earlier, once it has a name, it can't be "Nothing."

Did you read the red print?

[k9nanny]

Please share your knowledge of "Nothing." As I said earlier, once it has a name, it can't be "Nothing."

Did you read the red print?

Yes. I got a good chuckle out of that bully part.
Nice deflection. Again, tell us your definition of "nothing."

[bannination]

Ok, here we go again there is no such thing as nothing!!!
Yes, even fools have some substance to them; i.e. crap for brains, etc.

Even empty space has something in it.

Except for the minds of Bannination, O'Really, billy.pilgrim, neoplacebo, Crock Hunter, AntiAlias, Stinger, homerfobe, k9nanny, Bungalow Bill, Vrede, (where is Vrede, did you put him in time-out, Bannination?), and all other of the neighborhood bullies who got run out of their respective towns. ("Oh yay! Look y'all, a new forums! Let's go dump our shit there!"
Bunch of numb-nuts.


Gotta love those brilliant pieces of philosophy, though: there is no such thing as nothing; even empty space has something in it.

It's not philosophy, it's hard science. If you're willing to learn you could start here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle

[blackfoot]

It's not philosophy, it's hard science. If you're willing to learn you could start here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle

You wouldn't know science if it were looking you in the face, fun to watch you pretend though. Since science is testable, repeatable, observable, have fun with your experiments on "empty space" bannination.

[bannination]

It's not philosophy, it's hard science. If you're willing to learn you could start here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle

You wouldn't know science if it were looking you in the face, fun to watch you pretend though. Since science is testable, repeatable, observable, have fun with "nothing" bannination.

Yes, and "empty" space containing energy and particles is testable, repeatable and observable.

Ignorance is one thing, but you've been exposed to the knowledge and you can read up on it. So now you're just being dumb.

[neoplacebo]

Ok, here we go again there is no such thing as nothing!!!
Yes, even fools have some substance to them; i.e. crap for brains, etc.

Even empty space has something in it.

Except for the minds of Bannination, O'Really, billy.pilgrim, neoplacebo, Crock Hunter, AntiAlias, Stinger, homerfobe, k9nanny, Bungalow Bill, Vrede, (where is Vrede, did you put him in time-out, Bannination?), and all other of the neighborhood bullies who got run out of their respective towns. ("Oh yay! Look y'all, a new forums! Let's go dump our shit there!"
Bunch of numb-nuts.


Gotta love those brilliant pieces of philosophy, though: there is no such thing as nothing; even empty space has something in it.

Looks to me like you're the one coming here to dump your shit; right? dimwit

[Guest]

Ignorance is one thing, but you've been exposed to the knowledge and you can read up on it. So now you're just being dumb.

"you've been exposed to the knowledge".......the great philosopher has spoken...again!

[Guest]

Looks to me like you're the one coming here to dump your shit; right? dimwit

Looks can be deceiving, you know. Did it hurt when you were dumped?

[neoplacebo]

The BGEA came out last night with a statement "clarifying" the removal of Mormons from the "cult" section of their website....they said they didn't want "....to engage in theological debate that would politicize" the situation. Looks to me like their removal of the Mormons from the cult section MAKES it a political decision, and what's more, this removal begs the question of "well, do they really believe Mormons are a cult or not? If not, then they make themselves liars and hypocrites. And if so, they're still liars and hypocrites. keep the faith, baby!

[bannination]

Ignorance is one thing, but you've been exposed to the knowledge and you can read up on it. So now you're just being dumb.

"you've been exposed to the knowledge".......the great philosopher has spoken...again!

You can lead the horse to the water...... 0:-?>

[neoplacebo]

Looks to me like you're the one coming here to dump your shit; right? dimwit

Looks can be deceiving, you know. Did it hurt when you were dumped?

Deception follows you like a shadow. Deception runs when it sees me.

[Reality]

Guest, actually there is such a thing as nothing. Map Quest 1600 Pennsylvanis Ave., Washington, DC and you can get directions to it. Then Google who lives there.

That's the closest thing to nothing you'll find.

[Guest]

Looks to me like you're the one coming here to dump your shit; right? dimwit

Looks can be deceiving, you know. Did it hurt when you were dumped?

Deception follows you like a shadow. Deception runs when it sees me.

Know what you mean. No point in staying around bad smells.

[Guest]

Guest, actually there is such a thing as nothing. Map Quest 1600 Pennsylvanis Ave., Washington, DC and you can get directions to it. Then Google who lives there.

That's the closest thing to nothing you'll find.

You're right, if there's nothing there to comprehend with as well.

[blackfoot]

Yes, and "empty" space containing energy and particles is testable, repeatable and observable.

Ignorance is one thing, but you've been exposed to the knowledge and you can read up on it. So now you're just being dumb.

Just for my entertainment puposes, I'll ask you a question relating to this theroy of yours. Try to answer it without Wikipedia.... The particles you claim to exist in all empty space, do they have a purpose, and what is their origin? More importantly, If you were to use the process of a vacuum, such as in a black hole, what would become of the energy and particles you speak of if they were all removed by process of vacuum? And if so, what would you have left in the "emptiness" if the vacuum removed all content? It's OK if you want to use the word "nothing"...I won't laugh at you...

[AntiAlias]

It's not philosophy, it's hard science. If you're willing to learn you could start here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle

You wouldn't know science if it were looking you in the face, fun to watch you pretend though. Since science is testable, repeatable, observable, have fun with your experiments on "empty space" bannination.

Please. You've been confusing biology with cosmology this entire thread. Tell us more about your understanding of anything related to science.

By the way, can you provide an experiment where we can test and observe the Intelligent Designer you insist exists?