hokiewoodchuck wrote:
Ok Kathy....continue on.......
Neil likes to use first names doesn't he?
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blackfoot
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Neil likes to use first names doesn't he?
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Apache
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Yup, but he doesnt know how to correctly spell it 
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Apache wrote:Yup, but he doesnt know how to correctly spell it
His ex-wife told me he's dyslexic, that could be the reason.
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By Mark Hosenball and Matt Spetalnick
WASHINGTON | Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:19pm EDT
(Reuters) - In the months before the deadly attack in Benghazi, Libya, U.S. and allied intelligence agencies warned the White House and State Department repeatedly that the region was becoming an increasingly dangerous vortex for jihadist groups loosely linked or sympathetic to al Qaeda, according to U.S. officials.
Despite those warnings, and bold public displays by Islamist militants around Benghazi, embassies in the region were advised to project a sense of calm and normalcy in the run-up to the anniversary of the September 11 attacks in the United States.
So brazen was the Islamist presence in the Benghazi area that militants convened what they billed as the "First Annual Conference of Supporters of Shariah (Islamic law)" in the city in early June, promoting the event on Islamist websites.
Pictures from the conference posted on various Internet forums featured convoys flying al Qaeda banners, said Josh Lefkowitz of Flashpoint-Intel.com, a firm that monitors militant websites. Video clips showed vehicles with mounted artillery pieces, he added.
A research report prepared for a Pentagon counter-terrorism unit in August said the Benghazi conference brought together representatives of at least 15 Islamist militias. Among the paper's conclusions: these groups "probably make up the bulk of al Qaeda's network in Libya."
Drawing on multiple public sources, the Library of Congress researchers who drafted the paper also concluded that al Qaeda had used the "lack of security" in Libya to establish training camps there. It also reported that "hundreds of Islamic militants are in and around Derna," where special camps provided recruits with "weapons and physical training."
President Barack Obama's administration has repeatedly said it had no specific advance warning of an attack like the one that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in Benghazi on the night of September 11.
But the reports of militants' growing clout in eastern Libya, and attempts by violent jihadists to take advantage of fragile new governments across northern Africa following the Arab Spring, appear to raise new questions about whether U.S. embassies took proper security precautions, and if not, why not.
ARAB SPRING INSTABILITY
Washington has not definitively placed responsibility for the Benghazi attack on specific individuals or groups among the jihadist factions believed to be operating in or near Libya.
But U.S. officials have said that within hours of the Benghazi attacks, information from communications intercepts and U.S. informants indicated members of at least two groups may have been involved.
One is an al Qaeda offshoot, al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb or AQIM, which was founded in Algeria and has region-wide ambitions. The other is a local militant faction called Ansar al-Sharia, which apparently has arms both in Benghazi and in Derna, long a hotbed of radicalism.
Like other militants seeking to take advantage of democratic openings and fragile governments created in last year's Arab Spring, the two groups are apparently seeking to exploit instability in Libya after the fall of dictator Muammar Gaddafi.
The links between these groups, other jihadist organizations and the original core al Qaeda militant group founded by the late Osama bin Laden are murky at best, U.S. officials and private analysts say.
"There is a complex mosaic of extremist groups in North Africa," a U.S. counterterrorism official said. "Given AQIM's interest in expanding its reach, it's not surprising that the group is trying to gain a foothold in Libya."
While hardly sweeping the continent, violent extremist groups appear to have found ungoverned safe havens across north Africa, from Mali in the west to Egypt's Sinai in the east.
In the last month, U.S. embassies in Egypt, Tunisia and Yemen have also witnessed violent attacks.
Questions have been raised about security precautions at diplomatic facilities in those countries as well.
VETERAN HARD-LINE EXTREMISTS
Tunisia, the cradle of the Arab Spring, was the scene of some of the worst recent anti-American violence. Hardline Islamists there have been accused of inciting the storming of the U.S. Embassy in Tunis a few days after the Benghazi attacks. Four protesters were killed, cars were burned and the U.S. flag was torn down and replaced with a black Jihadist banner.
"The recent violence at the U.S. Embassy in Tunis highlights the unfortunate fact that extremists are increasingly active in Tunisia," the U.S. counterterrorism official said. "It's not prime AQIM territory, but there are veteran hard-line extremists in the country with nefarious intentions."
The U.S. Embassy in Yemen - home of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula or AQAP, one of the group's most dangerous offshoots - was also hard hit, and Washington sent Marines to bolster security there.
Nevertheless, last week in Sanaa, attackers shot and killed a senior Yemeni member of the embassy's security force on his way to work. Yemeni officials said the attack bore the hallmarks of AQAP.
Obama moved after the eruption of violence last month to beef up protection of U.S. diplomatic installations in the Arab world, sending in Marine contingents to several embassies and temporarily reducing the number of U.S. personnel at some posts.
The president also vowed to bring to justice those responsible for the Benghazi attack.
But the administration may have a hard time deciding whom to target. The increasingly diffuse nature of al Qaeda, its allies and sympathizers complicates the job of identifying precisely which individuals and groups were behind the attacks.
'IMPROVING' SECURITY?
Despite signs of growing militancy in Libya, and a string of attacks on international facilities in Benghazi over the spring and summer, two compounds housing U.S. personnel remained open in the city.
State Department messages and testimony at a recent congressional hearing showed the State Department responded slowly, if at all, to requests for beefed-up security in Libya, and sometimes turned such requests down.
Just hours before he died, a State Department cable showed, Stevens met with members of the Benghazi local council, who insisted security in the city was "improving" and the U.S. government should "pressure" American companies to invest.
Later that day, it said, Stevens was scheduled to launch a project called "American Space Benghazi," a public outreach center containing a "small library, computer lab and open space for programming."
WASHINGTON | Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:19pm EDT
(Reuters) - In the months before the deadly attack in Benghazi, Libya, U.S. and allied intelligence agencies warned the White House and State Department repeatedly that the region was becoming an increasingly dangerous vortex for jihadist groups loosely linked or sympathetic to al Qaeda, according to U.S. officials.
Despite those warnings, and bold public displays by Islamist militants around Benghazi, embassies in the region were advised to project a sense of calm and normalcy in the run-up to the anniversary of the September 11 attacks in the United States.
So brazen was the Islamist presence in the Benghazi area that militants convened what they billed as the "First Annual Conference of Supporters of Shariah (Islamic law)" in the city in early June, promoting the event on Islamist websites.
Pictures from the conference posted on various Internet forums featured convoys flying al Qaeda banners, said Josh Lefkowitz of Flashpoint-Intel.com, a firm that monitors militant websites. Video clips showed vehicles with mounted artillery pieces, he added.
A research report prepared for a Pentagon counter-terrorism unit in August said the Benghazi conference brought together representatives of at least 15 Islamist militias. Among the paper's conclusions: these groups "probably make up the bulk of al Qaeda's network in Libya."
Drawing on multiple public sources, the Library of Congress researchers who drafted the paper also concluded that al Qaeda had used the "lack of security" in Libya to establish training camps there. It also reported that "hundreds of Islamic militants are in and around Derna," where special camps provided recruits with "weapons and physical training."
President Barack Obama's administration has repeatedly said it had no specific advance warning of an attack like the one that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in Benghazi on the night of September 11.
But the reports of militants' growing clout in eastern Libya, and attempts by violent jihadists to take advantage of fragile new governments across northern Africa following the Arab Spring, appear to raise new questions about whether U.S. embassies took proper security precautions, and if not, why not.
ARAB SPRING INSTABILITY
Washington has not definitively placed responsibility for the Benghazi attack on specific individuals or groups among the jihadist factions believed to be operating in or near Libya.
But U.S. officials have said that within hours of the Benghazi attacks, information from communications intercepts and U.S. informants indicated members of at least two groups may have been involved.
One is an al Qaeda offshoot, al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb or AQIM, which was founded in Algeria and has region-wide ambitions. The other is a local militant faction called Ansar al-Sharia, which apparently has arms both in Benghazi and in Derna, long a hotbed of radicalism.
Like other militants seeking to take advantage of democratic openings and fragile governments created in last year's Arab Spring, the two groups are apparently seeking to exploit instability in Libya after the fall of dictator Muammar Gaddafi.
The links between these groups, other jihadist organizations and the original core al Qaeda militant group founded by the late Osama bin Laden are murky at best, U.S. officials and private analysts say.
"There is a complex mosaic of extremist groups in North Africa," a U.S. counterterrorism official said. "Given AQIM's interest in expanding its reach, it's not surprising that the group is trying to gain a foothold in Libya."
While hardly sweeping the continent, violent extremist groups appear to have found ungoverned safe havens across north Africa, from Mali in the west to Egypt's Sinai in the east.
In the last month, U.S. embassies in Egypt, Tunisia and Yemen have also witnessed violent attacks.
Questions have been raised about security precautions at diplomatic facilities in those countries as well.
VETERAN HARD-LINE EXTREMISTS
Tunisia, the cradle of the Arab Spring, was the scene of some of the worst recent anti-American violence. Hardline Islamists there have been accused of inciting the storming of the U.S. Embassy in Tunis a few days after the Benghazi attacks. Four protesters were killed, cars were burned and the U.S. flag was torn down and replaced with a black Jihadist banner.
"The recent violence at the U.S. Embassy in Tunis highlights the unfortunate fact that extremists are increasingly active in Tunisia," the U.S. counterterrorism official said. "It's not prime AQIM territory, but there are veteran hard-line extremists in the country with nefarious intentions."
The U.S. Embassy in Yemen - home of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula or AQAP, one of the group's most dangerous offshoots - was also hard hit, and Washington sent Marines to bolster security there.
Nevertheless, last week in Sanaa, attackers shot and killed a senior Yemeni member of the embassy's security force on his way to work. Yemeni officials said the attack bore the hallmarks of AQAP.
Obama moved after the eruption of violence last month to beef up protection of U.S. diplomatic installations in the Arab world, sending in Marine contingents to several embassies and temporarily reducing the number of U.S. personnel at some posts.
The president also vowed to bring to justice those responsible for the Benghazi attack.
But the administration may have a hard time deciding whom to target. The increasingly diffuse nature of al Qaeda, its allies and sympathizers complicates the job of identifying precisely which individuals and groups were behind the attacks.
'IMPROVING' SECURITY?
Despite signs of growing militancy in Libya, and a string of attacks on international facilities in Benghazi over the spring and summer, two compounds housing U.S. personnel remained open in the city.
State Department messages and testimony at a recent congressional hearing showed the State Department responded slowly, if at all, to requests for beefed-up security in Libya, and sometimes turned such requests down.
Just hours before he died, a State Department cable showed, Stevens met with members of the Benghazi local council, who insisted security in the city was "improving" and the U.S. government should "pressure" American companies to invest.
Later that day, it said, Stevens was scheduled to launch a project called "American Space Benghazi," a public outreach center containing a "small library, computer lab and open space for programming."
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Everyone got out but us. Why Mr. President?
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He was to busy raising money while these folk were being killed, he has been campaigning endlessly for four years and his only job was to get re-elected. He is clueless.Tertius wrote:Everyone got out but us. Why Mr. President?
Hey where's Hillary?
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Obama's only excuse for not accomplishing anything in first term has been to blame the republicans, well,. the last two years anyway. I can't say that I blame them as most anything Obama pushes is just not in the best interest of all Americans. He seriously lacks bi-partisan skills too. No one with the arrognce he uses in most situations is going to say anything to him, they'll just show him. He, with his I-can-do-anything-I-want-to attitude, has made his choice to be defeated.
His first known open dissenter to me has been Mitt Romney. During the debates, so far, it is as if Romney is scolding a wayward child. Sure, Obama came out somewhat more aggressive but not without the media propping him up as usual. Poor spoiled baby. Well, he was raised by two women and the only male influence he had was perverted. So, what are we to suspect? Obama has run into his first male influence that could have helped him at some point in his career life by imparting to him a little wisdom. Instead, Obama has aligned himself with thugs and wimpy cowards that don't know the right way. He has already shown that he will do anything to achieve his interests, including innocents being slaughtered to do so. Romney should continue to call out Obama's lies, just look him straight in the eyes and tell him. I hope that romney will be elected as our next president but if by some unforeseen circumstance he doesn't, at least right thinking Americans will know that we had someone that championed our views and let him get away. Really, at this point and with so much unraveling of the current administration, i think it would take some pretty low tactics to keep Romney from winning. From what i have seen out of Obama and Crew, this could be next, anything for O's agenda.
His first known open dissenter to me has been Mitt Romney. During the debates, so far, it is as if Romney is scolding a wayward child. Sure, Obama came out somewhat more aggressive but not without the media propping him up as usual. Poor spoiled baby. Well, he was raised by two women and the only male influence he had was perverted. So, what are we to suspect? Obama has run into his first male influence that could have helped him at some point in his career life by imparting to him a little wisdom. Instead, Obama has aligned himself with thugs and wimpy cowards that don't know the right way. He has already shown that he will do anything to achieve his interests, including innocents being slaughtered to do so. Romney should continue to call out Obama's lies, just look him straight in the eyes and tell him. I hope that romney will be elected as our next president but if by some unforeseen circumstance he doesn't, at least right thinking Americans will know that we had someone that championed our views and let him get away. Really, at this point and with so much unraveling of the current administration, i think it would take some pretty low tactics to keep Romney from winning. From what i have seen out of Obama and Crew, this could be next, anything for O's agenda.
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keyboarder wrote:Obama's only excuse for not accomplishing anything in first term has been to blame the republicans,
The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.
-Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, November 4, 2010
keyboarder wrote: He seriously lacks bi-partisan skills too. .
The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.
-Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, November 4, 2010
keyboarder wrote:His first known open dissenter to me has been Mitt Romney. .
The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.
-Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, November 4, 2010
And when you find someone who doesn't value facts.. they post complete bs just as you have..keyboarder wrote:During the debates, so far, it is as if Romney is scolding a wayward child. Sure, Obama came out somewhat more aggressive but not without the media propping him up as usual. Poor spoiled baby. Well, he was raised by two women and the only male influence he had was perverted. So, what are we to suspect? Obama has run into his first male influence that could have helped him at some point in his career life by imparting to him a little wisdom. Instead, Obama has aligned himself with thugs and wimpy cowards that don't know the right way. He has already shown that he will do anything to achieve his interests, including innocents being slaughtered to do so. Romney should continue to call out Obama's lies, just look him straight in the eyes and tell him. I hope that romney will be elected as our next president but if by some unforeseen circumstance he doesn't, at least right thinking Americans will know that we had someone that championed our views and let him get away. Really, at this point and with so much unraveling of the current administration, i think it would take some pretty low tactics to keep Romney from winning. From what i have seen out of Obama and Crew, this could be next, anything for O's agenda.
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Amen to that.keyboarder wrote:Obama's only excuse for not accomplishing anything in first term has been to blame the republicans, well,. the last two years anyway. I can't say that I blame them as most anything Obama pushes is just not in the best interest of all Americans. He seriously lacks bi-partisan skills too. No one with the arrognce he uses in most situations is going to say anything to him, they'll just show him. He, with his I-can-do-anything-I-want-to attitude, has made his choice to be defeated.
His first known open dissenter to me has been Mitt Romney. During the debates, so far, it is as if Romney is scolding a wayward child. Sure, Obama came out somewhat more aggressive but not without the media propping him up as usual. Poor spoiled baby. Well, he was raised by two women and the only male influence he had was perverted. So, what are we to suspect? Obama has run into his first male influence that could have helped him at some point in his career life by imparting to him a little wisdom. Instead, Obama has aligned himself with thugs and wimpy cowards that don't know the right way. He has already shown that he will do anything to achieve his interests, including innocents being slaughtered to do so. Romney should continue to call out Obama's lies, just look him straight in the eyes and tell him. I hope that romney will be elected as our next president but if by some unforeseen circumstance he doesn't, at least right thinking Americans will know that we had someone that championed our views and let him get away. Really, at this point and with so much unraveling of the current administration, i think it would take some pretty low tactics to keep Romney from winning. From what i have seen out of Obama and Crew, this could be next, anything for O's agenda.
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I have said many times on the other board that if he would just of had some guts he would be a shoe in even with the bad economy. If he didn't BLAME ole George and Congress everytime he opened his mouth the first 3.5 years and just said we tried this and it was blocked or we tried this and it will take time. Everyone including many dems are TIRED if the BLAME game. You inherited a problem deal with it. Also the Read Pelosi gang didn't help again with the constant Bush Bashing. It just gets old.
Just look at the debates he had to look to the moderator for help, come on grow a pair man!
Just look at the debates he had to look to the moderator for help, come on grow a pair man!
Tertius wrote:Amen to that.keyboarder wrote:Obama's only excuse for not accomplishing anything in first term has been to blame the republicans, well,. the last two years anyway. I can't say that I blame them as most anything Obama pushes is just not in the best interest of all Americans. He seriously lacks bi-partisan skills too. No one with the arrognce he uses in most situations is going to say anything to him, they'll just show him. He, with his I-can-do-anything-I-want-to attitude, has made his choice to be defeated.
His first known open dissenter to me has been Mitt Romney. During the debates, so far, it is as if Romney is scolding a wayward child. Sure, Obama came out somewhat more aggressive but not without the media propping him up as usual. Poor spoiled baby. Well, he was raised by two women and the only male influence he had was perverted. So, what are we to suspect? Obama has run into his first male influence that could have helped him at some point in his career life by imparting to him a little wisdom. Instead, Obama has aligned himself with thugs and wimpy cowards that don't know the right way. He has already shown that he will do anything to achieve his interests, including innocents being slaughtered to do so. Romney should continue to call out Obama's lies, just look him straight in the eyes and tell him. I hope that romney will be elected as our next president but if by some unforeseen circumstance he doesn't, at least right thinking Americans will know that we had someone that championed our views and let him get away. Really, at this point and with so much unraveling of the current administration, i think it would take some pretty low tactics to keep Romney from winning. From what i have seen out of Obama and Crew, this could be next, anything for O's agenda.
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The nutjobs are up to their old hyperbole and amateur psychology tricks again. Dumbya
dug a hole so deep, it's going to take a while to get out of it. That's what happens when
you get one of these dopes with management and business experience who are "deci-
ders." They just can't help but screw things up. And another dope cut from the same cloth
is supposed to fix things? Hilarious.
dug a hole so deep, it's going to take a while to get out of it. That's what happens when
you get one of these dopes with management and business experience who are "deci-
ders." They just can't help but screw things up. And another dope cut from the same cloth
is supposed to fix things? Hilarious.
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Indeed... busting Rmoney in one of his prime lies was sweet.. .. .Colonel Taylor wrote:Just look at the debates he had to look to the moderator for help,
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Brother
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The President "slaughtered innocents?" Boy, if I were you guys I would get that out there before the election! But just for the record, what in the hell are you talking about? Whatever it is I doubt that he holds a candle to all of the innocents that W slaughtered with his "Shock and Awe" approach to taking our minds off the fact that he couldn't find Bin Laden.
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Brother, your imagination is only surpassed by the most far left wing nuts.
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The CIA station chief in Libya reported to Washington within 24 hours of last month's deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate that there was evidence it was carried out by militants, not a spontaneous mob upset about an American-made video ridiculing Islam's Prophet Muhammad, U.S. officials have told The Associated Press.
So why then did the administration for weeks and hundreds of times deny this? Hummm couldn't be the election coming up could it?
So why then did the administration for weeks and hundreds of times deny this? Hummm couldn't be the election coming up could it?
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The administration was prompting unrest in Muslim countries. Their thought was that 20 demonstrations would hide the truth about Ambassador Stevens being set up by the administration.Colonel Taylor wrote:The CIA station chief in Libya reported to Washington within 24 hours of last month's deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate that there was evidence it was carried out by militants, not a spontaneous mob upset about an American-made video ridiculing Islam's Prophet Muhammad, U.S. officials have told The Associated Press.
So why then did the administration for weeks and hundreds of times deny this? Hummm couldn't be the election coming up could it?
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Apache
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If the admin. is behind the unrest, why? Prior to the election and the fact that Obama is accused daily of being a muslim? doesnt add up to me Mr. H.
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Once the nutjobs latch onto one of their delusional conspiracy theories they'll hold
onto it like a dog with a bone. Hilarious.
onto it like a dog with a bone. Hilarious.
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Reality
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".....they'll hold onto it like a dog with a bone. Hilarious."
Kinda like the blame Bush lib cry!
Kinda like the blame Bush lib cry!