The Zimmerman Case -- not as reported...

[gongoozler]

[O Really]

Actually, that same point of view has been presented ad nauseum before by some of the same usual suspects.

[gongoozler]

Actually, that same point of view has been presented ad nauseum before by some of the same usual suspects.

I don't remember any of this being reported in the MSM.

[Bungalow Bill]

This was over on Wingnut Central a while back. Notice that this guy gets some
easily found facts wrong. Martin was shot on the way back from the store, not
to it, and that he was not a few days shy of his 18th birthday; as a matter of fact
he had just turned 17. If you can't get something that basic right, well............

[neoplacebo]

One of the jurors today told ABC that Zimmerman "got away with murder" and that she feels she "owes the Martin family an apology." The news story indicated that the video will be on the national news broadcast tonight. She also said that the jurors had to follow Florida law and that the prosecution did not prove its case. Of course, this will not register at nutjob central, which I feel is appropriate.

[gongoozler]

This was over on Wingnut Central a while back. Notice that this guy gets some
easily found facts wrong. Martin was shot on the way back from the store, not
to it, and that he was not a few days shy of his 18th birthday; as a matter of fact
he had just turned 17. If you can't get something that basic right, well............

That was corrected in the video I posted.

[gongoozler]

One of the jurors today told ABC that Zimmerman "got away with murder" and that she feels she "owes the Martin family an apology." The news story indicated that the video will be on the national news broadcast tonight. She also said that the jurors had to follow Florida law and that the prosecution did not prove its case. Of course, this will not register at nutjob central, which I feel is appropriate.

He apologized already. The Loons will say that he didn't really mean it or it didn't sound sincere enough.

[O Really]

We could argue whether the various news outlets would have used a picture from "yesterday" if they'd had one. I'd say they used the pic they got from his father. But ultimately the reason the public was willing to "lynch" Zimmerman wasn't much related to whether Martin was a nice kid or not. Unless one wanted to argue that whatever he was, Martin instigated the series of events that led to his death, it's hard to get around the undisputed facts of what Zimmerman did up to the point he faced Martin. Then you've got a dead kid and a lame story. but, like Roxie Hart, the lame story worked in the circumstances of no other witness. "He had it coming, he had it coming, He only had himself to blame... If you'd have been there, If you'd have seen it, I betcha you would have done the same!"

[O Really]

One of the jurors today told ABC that Zimmerman "got away with murder" and that she feels she "owes the Martin family an apology." The news story indicated that the video will be on the national news broadcast tonight. She also said that the jurors had to follow Florida law and that the prosecution did not prove its case. Of course, this will not register at nutjob central, which I feel is appropriate.

He apologized already. The Loons will say that he didn't really mean it or it didn't sound sincere enough.

She said she owed the Martins an apology - for voting to acquit. Not that Zimmerman owed the apology.

[Bungalow Bill]

So this guy couldn't get Martin's correct age on the first try. Hmmm. The stuff
about the jewelry and the lean are more speculation than fact. And of course
Zim didn't know anything about this stuff when he shot and killed Martin.

[O Really]

[quote="Bungalow Bill"... And of course
Zim didn't know anything about this stuff when he shot and killed Martin.[/quote]
And that's the real point, isn't it? No matter what Martin was like or had done, Zimmerman didn't know when he killed him. Even if you give Zimmerman a reasonable suspicion that Martin was up to no good (a stretch in itself), he's got no excuse for following him or getting out of his truck. No matter if Zimmerman's first suspicion was right or wrong, if he had stayed in his truck, nobody gets killed - or gets an owie on his nose.

[Ombudsman]

Zimmerman's latest story falling apart as well:

Zimmerman showed up AFTER he was called by a SCSO member according to a report at News Ball.com, Zimmerman then got out of his car with a fire extinguisher, and apparently left without doing anything especially heroic.

http://ivn.us/penigma/2013/07/25/george ... e-a-fraud/


But the wing nuts who think their president is Kenyan will still believe Fat Boy Z is a hero.

[O Really]

The hoax story still has legs... (updates in red)
http://newsball.com/exclusive-pictures- ... it-staged/

[Bungalow Bill]

That's something a lot of wingnut types don't take into account-Zim
knew nothing about Martin's past history, which was rather minor in
the first place.


Well, he did get out of his vehicle with a fire extinguisher. Not just anybody
can do that. Update--George Zimmerman saves man from hungry squirrel
in city park. Way to go George.

[Another]

This might interest some of you. (it's referenced; note the links throughout)

http://www.dlas.org/questions-zimmerman-verdict/

[O Really]

This might interest some of you. (it's referenced; note the links throughout)

http://www.dlas.org/questions-zimmerman-verdict/

Probably not of much interest. Most of it is irrevelant to those who think Zimmerman got away with murder. Put bags over both their heads. Say neither one has any history before the night of the encounter. Use only information that is uncontested or undisputed. Who first took an action leading to an encounter? That would be Zimmerman, who called the cops and started following Martin. Who was armed in violation of the rules of Community Watch? That would be Zimmerman. Who got out of his truck instead of going home as the rules of Community Watch would recommend? That would be Zimmerman. Who had done nothing to create an encounter other than walking on the sidewalk? That would be Martin. So who created the situation? Zimmerman. Who is dead? Martin. Nothing else really matters, except in the Wonderland World of Florida where the NRA owns most of the legislators and everything is upside down. Back in the late 80's and early 90's, the Florida tourist line was "the rules are different here." Little did we know how true that would be.

[Another]

This might interest some of you. (it's referenced; note the links throughout)

http://www.dlas.org/questions-zimmerman-verdict/

Probably not of much interest. Most of it is irrevelant to those who think Zimmerman got away with murder.

The crucial word there is think. Those who think Zimmerman got away with murder have an opinion, that's all. The jury -- who probably had more facts than any of you -- believed differently.

Put bags over both their heads. Say neither one has any history before the night of the encounter. Use only information that is uncontested or undisputed. Who first took an action leading to an encounter? That would be Zimmerman, who called the cops and started following Martin. Who was armed in violation of the rules of Community Watch? That would be Zimmerman. Who got out of his truck instead of going home as the rules of Community Watch would recommend? That would be Zimmerman.

Nothing here breaks any laws, and makes sense in a community that had experienced a string of break-ins by persons unknown. Zimmerman appears to have believed Martin was acting suspiciously. Given that it was his responsibility, it was his call.

Who had done nothing to create an encounter other than walking on the sidewalk? That would be Martin.

You don't know that for sure. The physical evidence (lacerations on Zimmerman's face and head; lacerations on Martin's knuckles) is consistent with Zimmerman's account of the encounter. Note I don't say they prove it, they are consistent with it. Which means it's possible that Martin threw the first punch and that Zimmerman was telling the truth when he said he was overpowered and reacted in self-defense. In this case, the jury decided the case correctly: reasonable doubt.

So who created the situation? Zimmerman.

Opinion again. You don't know that. What was Martin doing there? We don't know.

Who is dead? Martin. Nothing else really matters, except in the Wonderland World of Florida where the NRA owns most of the legislators and everything is upside down. Back in the late 80's and early 90's, the Florida tourist line was "the rules are different here." Little did we know how true that would be.

Rhetoric. Irrelevant. What matters is that the prosecution failed to prove its case. The rest is opinion. Case closed.

[Ombudsman]

The crucial word there is think. Those who think Zimmerman got away with murder have an opinion, that's all. The jury -- who probably had more facts than any of you -- believed differently.

That's a rather amusing argument that keeps popping up among the Zimmerman disciples. (Roland has pulled that one out several times...hmmm.) The jury generally has less information than the general public, particularly when they are sequestered. After the OJ trial some jurors said they'd have found him guilty had they had some of the information that the general public knew but that they were not allowed to consider.

[Mr.B]

"One of the jurors today told ABC that Zimmerman "got away with murder" and that she feels she "owes the Martin family an apology." The news story indicated that the video will be on the national news broadcast tonight. She also said that the jurors had to follow Florida law and that the prosecution did not prove its case. Of course, this will not register at nutjob central, which I feel is appropriate."

"He apologized already. The Loons will say that he didn't really mean it or it didn't sound sincere enough."

"She said she owed the Martins an apology - for voting to acquit. Not that Zimmerman owed the apology."

I believe this public appearance by the juror is a farce.

I am not a fan of GZ, nor of the rendered verdict. Given the anger and other public sentiment over the acquittal, I believe this woman feared for her safety, and went on TV in an attempt to ward off any wrath that might be directed toward her. In watching the interview, I felt she had been coached on the questions and her responses.

There have been, and still are other unbelievable jury verdicts that have been aired in recent weeks; why the media insists in beating this dead horse
over this Zimmerman/Martin case can only imply that they are hoping for some results that will render even more "spectacular" news events.

[Boatrocker]

I believe this public appearance by the juror is a farce . . . .

But Super George saving the day with the fire extinguisher he just happened to have handy was genuine?