The Religion Thread

[O Really]

"who is it that is actually divinely authorized to make such a designation. Or can everybody create his/her own church?"

“For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.” (Matthew 18:20 -- KJV)

Nice quote, but the problem with using quotes or biblical references in place of individual thought is that you're stuck with whatever the quote actually means. That quote does not relate to establishment of a church, and is more related to prayer. Of course, if we're going with that quote as your answer, then certainly I and two of my friends can gather together on the first tee and be assured that Jesus is joining the foursome. We can then designate the First Tee as a church and refuse to allow anybody to play if they are wearing white vinyl belts and plaid polyester pants.

Here's a slightly different take on your quote (from a theological perspective) http://midwestapologetics.org/blog/?p=634

[bannination]

I feel so sorry for these kids. He's right though, they'll be some of those kids that'll realize it's bullshit one day.

[Mr.B]

".....they'll be some of those kids that'll realize it's (b.s.) one day."

" they'll "? :-0?> .........and where did you go to school?

There are those who believe global warming is b.s. too.
There are those who believe that men landed on the moon is b.s. too.
There are those who believe that taking care of our environment and natural resources is b.s. too.
There are those who believe...........(how much more do you want)?

[bannination]

".....they'll be some of those kids that'll realize it's (b.s.) one day."

" they'll "? :-0?> .........and where did you go to school?

There are those who believe global warming is b.s. too.
There are those who believe that men landed on the moon is b.s. too.
There are those who believe that taking care of our environment and natural resources is b.s. too.
There are those who believe...........(how much more do you want)?

Yep those are more ignorant people categories. I'm not sure I see your point though?

These kids are being harmed. When they grow up and get in the real world and become biologists or what have you, they'll have to unlearn everything they've been taught because it's *WRONG*. 'You guys' are raising future atheists because it's going to be so easy to see through the b.s. later in life.

[Boatrocker]

".....they'll be some of those kids that'll realize it's (b.s.) one day."

" they'll "? :-0?> .........and where did you go to school? ...

they'll: contraction of they will.

Where did you go to school and what dictionary do you use, Mr.B?

I like your examples but are you sure you meant to be comparing those fools to religious cons?

B wuz probly hoam skuled.

[Bungalow Bill]

I must admit kids are the perfect audience for this nonsense.
It's unfortunate that the fundis peddle this stuff to kids, but
eventually many will find out they've been sold a bunch of
stupidity. Thank goodness science isn't done by public polling.

[Mr.B]

".....they'll be some of those kids that'll realize it's (b.s.) one day."

" they'll "? :-0?> ".........and where did you go to school?" ...

they'll: contraction of they will.

"Where did you go to school and what dictionary do you use, Mr.B?"

"I like your examples but are you sure you meant to be comparing those fools to religious cons?"

I know what the contraction of "they'll" is.....it should be " there'll "...as in there'll (or there will) be some of those kids.......
Banni, in effect said, "they will be some of those kids........"
So now, Vrede....where'd you go to school....?

[Mr.B]

"Yep those are more ignorant people categories. I'm not sure I see your point though?

These kids are being harmed. When they grow up and get in the real world and become biologists or what have you, they'll have to unlearn everything they've been taught because it's *WRONG*. 'You guys' are raising future atheists because it's going to be so easy to see through the b.s. later in life."

My point is, that you as an atheist, have your opinions regarding religion, and you want people to believe your point of view when you debunk it; just as the nay-sayers I've mentioned want others to believe their points of view. Christians are no different in spreading what we believe is the Gospel; we also want others to believe that there is a Creator. God gave man a free will to believe or disbelieve. You believe religion is *WRONG*, I, and many, many, more believe we are right.

The nay-sayers believe that what I've mentioned is b.s., and when it is proven, it'll be so easy to see that it wasn't b.s. after all. Unfortunately, the only way you will ever be disproven will be on Judgment Day, and you will never be convinced by someone who has experienced Hell, because as written in Luke 16: "....between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. "

So, the point is, your opinions of religion is no different than the opinions of those who will not believe actual current events. Each of us, whether believers or non-believers will have to wait to experience the consequences.....by then it'll be too late to warn others who was right or who was wrong.

[Mr.B]

"Admit it, Mr.B...."

I ain't admittin' nuttin'. I'm a refined country bumpkin; I don't say "they'll be" in the context Banni did.
If anything, you admit that Banni screwed up.

" It's unfortunate that the fundis peddle this stuff to kids, but eventually many will find out they've been sold a bunch of stupidity......"

No more stupid than the nay-sayers peddling "their stuff" to whoever will write or broadcast their opinions, because eventually many will find out they've been spouting a bunch of stupidity. Regardless of each's opinion, they're like, you know... ...everyone has one.

"B wuz probly hoam skuled."

Nope....but if I had been, I would be just as proud as I am now, and with no regrets.

"You aren't really a believer in a 6000 year old Earth with dinosaurs and humans coexisting, are you?"

No, and I don't understand why ALL Christians are categorized as believers that the Earth is only 6000 years old. Come to think of it, I don't know ANY Christians who believe that. The structure of living organisms is too complex to just believe they evolved from simple one cell organisms, and the very environment we live in is too complex to believe that it just happened to form that way.

[Ombudsman]

No, and I don't understand why ALL Christians are categorized as believers that the Earth is only 6000 years old. Come to think of it, I don't know ANY Christians who believe that.

I doubt that's true. I know a lot of them who believe that. Some creationists are a bit more liberal and think it could be as much as 10,000 years old. Scofield reference Bibles still list the year of creation as 4004 BC.

[Bungalow Bill]

But some opinions are more fact-based than others, such as the
universe is almost 14 billion years old, not 6,000 years, that there
was no great flood that covered the entire Earth, not that there
was, that man didn't co-exist with dinosaurs not that he did, etc.
That's why the fundis have nowhere to go in the realm of empirical
science, but have to rely on faith in the absurd.

[bannination]

When you have overwhelming evidence of something it's just a matter of time before the fundies accept it and say that's what the bible said all along, even though they argue completely against it at first using the same bible.

The earth isn't at the center of the universe, hard to find a Christian that doesn't agree with that nowadays. The same will be true with evolution soon, and they'll deny the bible ever said such a thing, just as they deny the bible said the earth is at the center and the sun revolves around it even though it was heresy to believe otherwise.

Then again.... http://www.fixedearth.com/

[homerfobe]

The world's full of opinionated assholes on both sides of the religion debate. Is too, is not, is too, blah, blah, blah. The atheists are the biggest assholes; after all their ancestors crawled out of some mud sucking life form or formed from a monkeys ass. I've heard atheists speak of religion in some of the vilest form and language, same as I do when I speak of faggots. I've never heard religious people speak of atheism, or atheists for that matter, in the same manner.

[Ombudsman]

The world's full of opinionated assholes on both sides of the religion debate. Is too, is not, is too, blah, blah, blah. The atheists are the biggest assholes; after all their ancestors crawled out of some mud sucking life form or formed from a monkeys ass. I've heard atheists speak of religion in some of the vilest form and language, same as I do when I speak of faggots. I've never heard religious people speak of atheism, or atheists for that matter, in the same manner.

How does a gigantic pussy like you get to be so goddamn mouthy?

[Boatrocker]

The world's full of opinionated assholes on both sides of the religion debate. Is too, is not, is too, blah, blah, blah. The atheists are the biggest assholes; after all their ancestors crawled out of some mud sucking life form or formed from a monkeys ass. I've heard atheists speak of religion in some of the vilest form and language, same as I do when I speak of faggots. I've never heard religious people speak of atheism, or atheists for that matter, in the same manner.

How does a gigantic pussy like you get to be so goddamn mouthy?

Internet.

[homerfobe]

The world's full of opinionated assholes on both sides of the religion debate. Is too, is not, is too, blah, blah, blah. The atheists are the biggest assholes; after all their ancestors crawled out of some mud sucking life form or formed from a monkeys ass. I've heard atheists speak of religion in some of the vilest form and language, same as I do when I speak of faggots. I've never heard religious people speak of atheism, or atheists for that matter, in the same manner.

How does a gigantic pussy like you get to be so goddamn mouthy?

Pot meets kettle.
Whassa matter? Did I strike a raw nerve in you? See yourself, do you?
You thought you were the only gigantic pussy thats so goddamn mouthy?

The world's full of opinionated assholes on both sides of the religion debate. Is too, is not, is too, blah, blah, blah. The atheists are the biggest assholes; after all their ancestors crawled out of some mud sucking life form or formed from a monkeys ass. I've heard atheists speak of religion in some of the vilest form and language, same as I do when I speak of faggots. I've never heard religious people speak of atheism, or atheists for that matter, in the same manner.

How does a gigantic pussy like you get to be so goddamn mouthy?

Internet.

And the internet made you so intelligent. Got it.

...assholes...assholes...sucking...ass...faggots...

No one is as vile and childish as you. And you deny evolution - dang that's dumb.

Those words really turn you on don't they. You latch on to every one of them like a kid grabbing candy. Don't know so much about denying evolution, but I don't believe I evolved from some one-eyed slime ball that crawled out from under a pile of monkey shit like you and your other queer loving friends do. Ombuttman, Battynation, and Buttsmacker included.

[Ombudsman]

The world's full of opinionated assholes on both sides of the religion debate. Is too, is not, is too, blah, blah, blah. The atheists are the biggest assholes; after all their ancestors crawled out of some mud sucking life form or formed from a monkeys ass. I've heard atheists speak of religion in some of the vilest form and language, same as I do when I speak of faggots. I've never heard religious people speak of atheism, or atheists for that matter, in the same manner.

How does a gigantic pussy like you get to be so goddamn mouthy?

Internet.

Yep. The guy is the epitome of keyboard coward. Looks like we made him cry. I think that's his longest response to date. Poor fella. Wonder if he'll get over it?

[Mr.B]

No, and I don't understand why ALL Christians are categorized as believers that the Earth is only 6000 years old. Come to think of it, I don't know ANY Christians who believe that.

I doubt that's true. I know a lot of them who believe that. Some creationists are a bit more liberal and think it could be as much as 10,000 years old. Scofield reference Bibles still list the year of creation as 4004 BC.

No, the Scofield Bible states (or lists) no such thing.

At the beginning of Genesis 1:1, the Scofield Bible shows the approximate date of it's authorship.
Reading further on, we find that the dates from chapter 5 to chapter 6 change from 4,004 to 2,353 B.C.

If you or someone had written your autobiography from birth to present (or death) and it was released for print on October 31st. 2010, that doesn't mean that you were born on October 31st. 2010.

There may be some Christians who staunchly believe the Earth is only 6-10,000 years old, or that the earth is flat, but I'm saying I don't know any who do.
The Bible was God-inspired, but being human, man's mind has a tendency to wander or exaggerate. That's why Bible believing Christians don't take every word, action, phrase, or personal thoughts in the Bible as literal.

[Mr.B]

"...Don't know so much about denying evolution, but I don't believe I evolved..."

"Understanding science is impossible for anyone that struggles with simple logic as much as you do."

I personally do not believe that evolution is entirely responsible for life on Earth, but that evolution did play a part.

I believe in a Creator that created as explained in the Bible. Some natural evolution then took place because of the varying climates, environments, and necessities to live found on Earth today.

Evolution could not have given life on Earth a protective atmosphere to protect us from space-borne radiation and contaminants not found on other planets in our solar system.

Evolution could not have given life on Earth the correct mixture of gases that allows us to breathe; also not found on other planets.

Evolution could not have given life on Earth the proper amount of sunlight needed to sustain our existence.

Evolution could not have given the earth the correct gravitational pull of the moon needed to keep the oceans in check.

Evolution could not have produced the complex makeup of the human body, i.e. giving us a brain that could match any computer if we were capable of fully utilizing it, or a heart that sends life-giving blood to every region of our bodies, etc., etc., etc.

[Ombudsman]

No, and I don't understand why ALL Christians are categorized as believers that the Earth is only 6000 years old. Come to think of it, I don't know ANY Christians who believe that.

I doubt that's true. I know a lot of them who believe that. Some creationists are a bit more liberal and think it could be as much as 10,000 years old. Scofield reference Bibles still list the year of creation as 4004 BC.

No, the Scofield Bible states (or lists) no such thing.

At the beginning of Genesis 1:1, the Scofield Bible shows the approximate date of it's authorship.

You're mistaken. Between the columns of text it lists 4004 BC as the date of creation. This comes from James Ussher who went through the genealogies of the Bible and "determined" that the universe was created Sunday October 23rd, 4004 BC. Those dates listed in the Scofield Bible have nothing to do with the time of authorship. They are references when these events supposedly took place.

Reading further on, we find that the dates from chapter 5 to chapter 6 change from 4,004 to 2,353 B.C.

Based on the genealogies listed therein which claims many people lived to be 700-969 years old.

There may be some Christians who staunchly believe the Earth is only 6-10,000 years old, or that the earth is flat, but I'm saying I don't know any who do.

I still doubt that's true. Either you don't know many people or you haven't discussed it with too many of them.

The Bible was God-inspired, but being human, man's mind has a tendency to wander or exaggerate. That's why Bible believing Christians don't take every word, action, phrase, or personal thoughts in the Bible as literal.

True. They generally take as literal only the parts that work best for their preconceived beliefs.