Obamacare

[bannination]

[Wneglia]

Thanks Canada (not)

[Roland Deschain]

Untrue play on words, but typical liberal intentional deception. By the way when 70% of the country OPPOSES Obamacare how is The House of Representatives, actaully REPRESENTING the majority of their constituents "unreasonable"?

[neoplacebo]

You must not be able to read the words in the red box. Let me see if I can explain how the GOP (your evident heroes) are being unreasonable. They want to get their way by using threats of inaction....threats of not doing their jobs. If you can't see the stupidity of trying to repeal or even just change an existing law by making threats that will serve to do nothing but harm our country, then you're just stupid. Here's some of your faulty logic back at you: I figure the IRS has about the same disapproval rate among Americans as your stated figure who oppose Obamacare. And guess what? The IRS isn't going away. You morons would be opposed to it if Obama came out this afternoon and said he was going to immediately end all welfare programs, food stamps, and cut social security benefits in half. You, and your GOP heroes, are not motivated by anything other than hate and willful ignorance. Haven't you noticed how in the last couple of days the "masters" of the GOP (big banks, WSJ, etc.) have started backing away from this stupidity? Haven't you figured out yet that money is more important than hate, even among GOP acolytes? I bet you're one of those who have lots of hate, but not much money.

[Roland Deschain]

You must not be able to read the words in the red box. Let me see if I can explain how the GOP (your evident heroes) are being unreasonable. They want to get their way by using threats of inaction....threats of not doing their jobs. If you can't see the stupidity of trying to repeal or even just change an existing law by making threats that will serve to do nothing but harm our country, then you're just stupid. Here's some of your faulty logic back at you: I figure the IRS has about the same disapproval rate among Americans as your stated figure who oppose Obamacare. And guess what? The IRS isn't going away. You morons would be opposed to it if Obama came out this afternoon and said he was going to immediately end all welfare programs, food stamps, and cut social security benefits in half. You, and your GOP heroes, are not motivated by anything other than hate and willful ignorance. Haven't you noticed how in the last couple of days the "masters" of the GOP (big banks, WSJ, etc.) have started backing away from this stupidity? Haven't you figured out yet that money is more important than hate, even among GOP acolytes? I bet you're one of those who have lots of hate, but not much money.

Uhhh....let me see if I can dumb this down for you since you obviously are factually limited. The REPUBLICANS passed bills to fully fund the government except Obamacare. The Senate DEMOCRATS refused. The GOP then passed to fully fund the government but delay the full implementation of Obamacare...DEMOCRATS REFUSED. GOP votes to fully fund but strip the individual mandate...DEMOCRATS again refused. Finally once the "shut down" happened the GOP even tried to reopen portions through individual bills...again the DEMOCRATS refused. It seems that the ONLY ones not doing their jobs are the DEMOCRATS. By the way.....might wnat to check into those "existing laws" regarding slavery or maybe prohibition and tell me how those are doing. The GOP is representing the will of the majority. Problem is that majority flies in the face of you numbnuts liberal fantasy land and your precious golden boy and his minions have taken the ball and left the playground like spoiled kids. Keep on dreaming that this is playing well for ya'll. Your golden boy's ratings are dropping like a stone and the American people are getting more and more information on Obamacare. Your time is growing short...enjoy your last few months of power idiots!

[neoplacebo]

You must not be able to read the words in the red box. Let me see if I can explain how the GOP (your evident heroes) are being unreasonable. They want to get their way by using threats of inaction....threats of not doing their jobs. If you can't see the stupidity of trying to repeal or even just change an existing law by making threats that will serve to do nothing but harm our country, then you're just stupid. Here's some of your faulty logic back at you: I figure the IRS has about the same disapproval rate among Americans as your stated figure who oppose Obamacare. And guess what? The IRS isn't going away. You morons would be opposed to it if Obama came out this afternoon and said he was going to immediately end all welfare programs, food stamps, and cut social security benefits in half. You, and your GOP heroes, are not motivated by anything other than hate and willful ignorance. Haven't you noticed how in the last couple of days the "masters" of the GOP (big banks, WSJ, etc.) have started backing away from this stupidity? Haven't you figured out yet that money is more important than hate, even among GOP acolytes? I bet you're one of those who have lots of hate, but not much money.

Uhhh....let me see if I can dumb this down for you since you obviously are factually limited. The REPUBLICANS passed bills to fully fund the government except Obamacare. The Senate DEMOCRATS refused. The GOP then passed to fully fund the government but delay the full implementation of Obamacare...DEMOCRATS REFUSED. GOP votes to fully fund but strip the individual mandate...DEMOCRATS again refused. Finally once the "shut down" happened the GOP even tried to reopen portions through individual bills...again the DEMOCRATS refused. It seems that the ONLY ones not doing their jobs are the DEMOCRATS. By the way.....might wnat to check into those "existing laws" regarding slavery or maybe prohibition and tell me how those are doing. The GOP is representing the will of the majority. Problem is that majority flies in the face of you numbnuts liberal fantasy land and your precious golden boy and his minions have taken the ball and left the playground like spoiled kids. Keep on dreaming that this is playing well for ya'll. Your golden boy's ratings are dropping like a stone and the American people are getting more and more information on Obamacare. Your time is growing short...enjoy your last few months of power idiots!

Don't sell yourself short; if anyone can "dumb anything down," it's you. The last time I checked, Prohibition (a bad law by all modern accounts, and a worse Constitutional amendment) lasted about 13 years. It wasn't repealed because of a handful of wingnuts threatening to wreck the economy if it wasn't repealed immediately. Do you see the difference? I doubt it. Slavery also did not vanish overnight or because of the moral indignation of a handful of honorable people; it took roughly 20 years of arguing and four years of civil war before slavery was abolished. Do you see the difference? If ignorance is bliss, you must be quite happy.

[Roland Deschain]

Don't sell yourself short; if anyone can "dumb anything down," it's you. The last time I checked, Prohibition (a bad law by all modern accounts, and a worse Constitutional amendment) lasted about 13 years. It wasn't repealed because of a handful of wingnuts threatening to wreck the economy if it wasn't repealed immediately. Do you see the difference? I doubt it. Slavery also did not vanish overnight or because of the moral indignation of a handful of honorable people; it took roughly 20 years of arguing and four years of civil war before slavery was abolished. Do you see the difference? If ignorance is bliss, you must be quite happy.

However, they were both "the law of the land" and they were changed, were they not?? That is, after all, what you liberal fools keep crowing about Obamacare and why it can not be changed. Again, I'd suggest looking again at who has actually voted, multiple times, to fund the government and who is saying "no".....but don't let them pesky things like facts get in the way of your libtard fantasy.

[Boatrocker]

Rollo is obviously hoam skuled. His knowledge of civics is non-existent.

[Roland Deschain]

However, they were both "the law of the land" and they were changed, were they not??

The way democracy works is you muster the votes for repeal and the rest of your wish list if you can. You don't throw a tantrum and hold the rest of the country hostage because you can't get your way...They were dispensed with by democratic votes in Congress then ratified by democratic votes in state legislatures, not by a bunch of minority crybabies holding unrelated bills hostage. Civics and history much?

That is, after all, what you liberal fools keep crowing about Obamacare

Wrong again, contard, most of us prefer single-payer and merely accept the ACA because it's far better than the status quo.

and why it can not be changed.

Wrong again, contard, no one has posted that the ACA "can not (sic) be changed." Are you lying again or is it just your poor comprehension again? In fact, it probably would have been changed by now if the impotent ODS wingnuts weren't so unpatriotic and had even tried just a little bit to improve it. Rather, we've posted that it should not and will not be changed by this self-destructive, costly to taxpayers and nation-harming crybaby shutdown tactic.

Again, I'd suggest looking again at who has actually voted, multiple times, to fund the government and who is saying "no".....but don't let them pesky things like facts get in the way of your libtard fantasy.

...The DEMOCRATS passed a clean bill that everyone knows would pass. Boehner, too afraid of the TP crybabies and the Koch brothers, won't allow it to come to a vote. Once again Roland Deschain, so dumb and factually limited, tries to deceive by omission and makes a fool of himself doing so. Next up - he runs away from his lie, as usual....

As predicted.

I'm sorry vrede...I lumped all you liberal fools here, in with all the liberal fools that have been all over the media crowing about Obamacare "is the law of the land". You are correct no liberal fool here has posted that.

By the way you might want to look at that pesky little Constitution again and see just who has the authority to originate spending bills before talking about who knows civics.

[neoplacebo]

It's no use....delusion is like a religion with this guy; sort of like that "full faith and credit" concept. I wonder what he would feel like if his own delusional "full faith" suddenly was threatened with the awful realization of what it actually is.

[Roland Deschain]

Now, about your civics and history ignorance in not knowing that Prohibition and slavery were ended with processes far different from what the GOP crybabies are doing now?

I've made no statements regarding the process through which the slavery and prohibition laws were changed. I've merely pointed out that your liberal ilk's argument that Obamacare is "the law of the land" and can not be changed holds no water, due to the fact that other laws have in fact been changed...even fully repealed. Please do not try to twist things and place untrue words in my mouth.

[mike]

Now, about your civics and history ignorance in not knowing that Prohibition and slavery were ended with processes far different from what the GOP crybabies are doing now?

I've made no statements regarding the process through which the slavery and prohibition laws were changed. I've merely pointed out that your liberal ilk's argument that Obamacare is "the law of the land" and can not be changed holds no water, due to the fact that other laws have in fact been changed...even fully repealed. Please do not try to twist things and place untrue words in my mouth.

Then change the "Law of the Land" through the means used to change the others that were done in such a manner.
Don't hold the Nation hostage over what should have been a rather pedestrian spending bill.

Is this guy "Ronald" for real or just a caricature?

[Roland Deschain]

Don't hold the Nation hostage over what should have been a rather pedestrian spending bill.

Fact check: The GOP voted repeatedly to fund the government. Harry Reid and Senate DEMOCRATS refused to pass the bills, and have since refused to even negotiate...which is what is supposed to happen in these cases.

Since you used the word "hostage"...Would you not agree that in any hostage situation the police would welcome the release of a hostage at a time? Or, do you think they would sit, demand them all be released at once, and if one was released do you think for a moment that the police would send them back in to the hostage takers? Harry Reid and Senate dims will not even accept the "hostages" that are being released through partial funding bills. They demand them all, and the ones that are let go are being sent back in. Yeah...that makes a LOT of sense.

[mike]

Check your facts, caricature, the ACA is still the overriding factor even though it's been vetted by the Supreme Court.
Are you really this ignorant?

Seriously, you have to be a caricature.

If not, I really feel sorry for you ...

[mike]

...Is this guy "Ronald" for real or just a caricature?

I would not be good enough to pull off a stupid wingnut act like that.

Nor I, but someone is.

There is nothing this guy types that makes a lick of sense under any cursory scrutiny.

Caricature, yep. That will be his name going forward.

[Wneglia]

Obamacare vs. Mars

[bannination]

Check your facts, caricature, the ACA is still the overriding factor even though it's been vetted by the Supreme Court.
Are you really this ignorant?

Seriously, you have to be a caricature.

If not, I really feel sorry for you ...

Sometimes ignorance is bliss....

[Bungalow Bill]

Since there are no official numbers for those enrolled, wonder how the Mail
came up with that headline. And I suppose they accidently forgot to mention
that enrollment for the Mars flight started six months before Obamacare enroll-
ment did. Mail Online, still good for a laugh or two.:


A private Mars colonization effort has fallen far short of its expected number of
astronaut applications but still aims to put boots on the Red Planet in 2023.

With just a few days left in the application process, the nonprofit Mars One Foundation
has received about 165,000 submissions from prospective Mars colonists — a far cry
from the 1 million that officials had originally targeted in April before opening the process.

The shortfall could affect Mars One's planning and progress, since the foundation is using
application fees to fund its activities in these early days. But Mars One intends to pay most
of its bills by staging a global media event around the colonization effort, and officials
expressed confidence that interest in such a spectacle will still be high.

[rstrong]

A private Mars colonization effort has fallen far short of its expected number of
astronaut applications but still aims to put boots on the Red Planet in 2023.

There is of course no chance whatsoever of this happening. None at all. The hardware to do it doesn't exist, and won't in 2023. Add another decade, and it's a lot more realistic.

But it won't be these people doing it. This is like Pan-Am's waiting list for future flights to the moon that it established back in the 1960s. Except that for each of the 200,000+ MarsOne applicants, they've collected registration fees up to $75.

[rstrong]

Thanks Canada (not)

more than $500 million

Actually the Republicon claim - the original source has since retracted it - is that the site cost over 600 million.

Back in reality, the $600 Million amount comes from the amount the Dept of Health and Human Services has paid to CGI Federal (the contractor who built the website) starting in 2008 for a bunch of contracts. One of which is for developing the ACA website and running it - and the support call center, etc. - for two years.

Among those other contracts included in the $600 million is the successful release of an updated Medicare website in 2010 (which you never heard about because the release went smoothly).