Shutdown and debt crisis over, hopefully

[AntiAlias]

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... -over.html

/gets popcorn, readies for a new phase of the GOP civil war.

Seriously, how can these last days be anything other that a total and complete collapse of Speaker Boehner? They shut down the government and panicked world markets for... what? What did they win? Does the deal even include a delay on the tax on medical devices? Even if they do get that, I'm pretty sure that it won't be enough for the lunatic fringe. I almost feel sorry for Boehner; he kind of fell on his sword didn't he? I don't think he will retain his Speakership, even if the GOP defends the House next year.

Has anything like this happened before?

[bannination]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... wn/280236/

The names and faces so they're not forgotten when it comes voting time.

[JTA]

Maybe I'm being a bit rash, but this was the tipping point for me. Any sliver of doubt I may have had that in the past that the US is on a slow descent has now been completely obliterated. I know we've had government shut downs in the past, but this one has done it for me. I don't think anything can save us at this point. We could vote in majority democrats/republicans, conservatives/liberals but nothing will change the fact that the sheer inertia from all of our f__ ups is just going to keep on pushing us right off the edge.

Time to go bust out some Spengler from the book shelf.

[neoplacebo]

Boy, this sure is a relief for me; I was all set to max out all my credit cards buying stuff online that I don't need or particularly want and once the bills started rolling in, I was just going to write back and say something like "yeah, I know I owe you, but unless you drop your interest rate on my account to 0.9% I decline to pay." I wanted to know what it felt like to reach my own debt ceiling, but these days, and at my age, I'm not sure I could deal with the panic aspect of it. whew!

[O Really]

Roland asked, in what I suppose in some alternate universe passes for English, "Aint (sic) ya'll proud." The answer tonight would be "very much so." Proud of Obama and the Senate Dems who, for maybe the first time ever, didn't roll over to the demands of the terrorists. Look closely, you might see a hint of backbone and maybe even a ball peeking out. Damn right I'm proud!

[AntiAlias]

Cruz and a few other wingnuts added millions of names to their databases, at the severe expense of the GOP and its likely hopes in 2014. Call it Darwinian politics.

Sadly, yes. Millions of people he can grift money from for his doomed Presidential bid. It is Darwinian, isn't it?

[Boatrocker]

I hope the Dems don't settle for resisting crazy. Let's see them craft something that might get enough Pubs to pass or Obama implement something that makes a positive difference. I'd like a little good news, not just the absence of bad news.

Robert Reich: Democrats should have never compromised with Republican "extortionists" on debt ceiling (in 2011)

In that line of thought, I offer this, from Bill Maher, back in 2011, after a similar ordeal with the teatrash:

"Bill Maher and The Democrat Donner Party

And finally, New Rule.....
If we have learned anything from this moronic debt ceiling debacle, its that government is a lot like the subway. People tend to give the crazy person what he wants.
The reason John Boehner can brag that he got 98% of what he demanded was that he had an ace card in the 60 odd tea partiers in his caucus. I don't say 60 odd because I'm not sure how many there are. There are 60, and they are odd. And Boehner could point to them and say, "Look, these guys don't give a fuck." They don't want compromise and solutions. The only response they are going for is "Oh shit, how'd Skeeter git a gun."
Yes, cause we've all seen that movie where some psycho has a gun to a woman's head and the rookie hostage negotiator isn't getting anywhere, so they bring in Mel Gibson, who can relate to the psycho because he’s a psycho. That’s what the Democrats need- their own Mel Gibson.
The only way to pull the debate back from the far right is for liberals to elect their own slate of 60 unstable, looney tune, mad as a hatter. crazy motherfuckers.
So please, liberals, start trolling Whole Foods parking lots. Nude beaches. Erotic cake stores. The MSNBC commissary. Anywhere you might find angry left wing lunatics to create a party within a party. As the tea party is a party within the Republicans. And to show that we will not back down in a crazy-off. Against anybody. The party within the Democratic party will be called The Donner Party. Thats right. We will literally eat each other before we give an inch. And this is our leader, Face-Ripper Monkey.
And don't tell me that there already is such an entity on the left. That its the ACLU or Greenpeace or MoveON.org. OH Please. Those are educated people. Lawyers and scientists. We need loud mouths and bad dressers, who can match the tea people maniac for maniac and say to them "You think you can be pea-brained, single-minded, and purple with rage? Well the Donner party is a dog that can bark at a pine cone for nine days and not get tired."
You say no new taxes on the rich, we say tax the rich at a 100%.
You call for a constitutional amendment banning abortion, we call for a federal funded partial birth abortions at the drive-through at McDonalds.
You want Reagan on the fifty dollar bill, we insist on Jeanine Garafalo.
Because apparently crazy is the new sensible. And we will not lose the war of bad ideas. So here’s what else we want:
Guns, still legal. But no new guns may be produced. Therefore to get one, you have to literally pry it from another guy's cold, dead hands.
Also not only must gay history be taught in public schools. But also gay math. With word problems like, “If the park ranger inspects the restrooms every 4 hours, and it takes Glenn 12 minutes to get a stranger off, how many strangers can Glenn service between inspections?”
In any budget stalemate, The Donner party will insist on a rider to the bill stipulating that Jesus is just a guy. And if you so much as thank him for scoring a touchdown, the state will take your children. And you must perform 200 hours of Community Theater.
And the other bill that I'm afraid the Donner party must insist on, The We Want Everything That They Have Act of 2011, which guarantees all Americans what Europeans get. Like free healthcare and six weeks paid vacation."

[neoplacebo]

I'll go with "no."

[bannination]

You know, maybe the ACA is doomed to fail, it could happen. It seems that this is now the Tea Party mantra. If so, why waste everyone's time and money with the government shutdown for something they knew was doomed to fail to begin with? I read somewhere that the estimate in lost revenue is somewhere around 24 billion dollars! Something just doesn't add up here. :-0?>

Are they so ignorant to believe that this government website is the only launch of a site to have outages and bugs? Yep.....


Personally I hope it fails in such a spectacular fashion as to bring in universal coverage.

[Boatrocker]

You know, maybe the ACA is doomed to fail, it could happen. It seems that this is now the Tea Party mantra. If so, why waste everyone's time and money with the government shutdown for something they knew was doomed to fail to begin with? I read somewhere that the estimate in lost revenue is somewhere around 24 billion dollars! Something just doesn't add up here. :-0?>

Are they so ignorant to believe that this government website is the only launch of a site to have outages and bugs? Yep.....


Personally I hope it fails in such a spectacular fashion as to bring in universal coverage.

If the Apple website locks up and forces a backlog when a new [INSERT i DEVICE HERE] comes out, that's considered a sign of capitalistic success. But never mind that.
If we can scrap ACA and go single payer, I'm all in, and screw the teatrash.

[O Really]

Apparently a key problem was that site visitors had to register before browsing. That created bottlenecks because - shock - there were a lot of people interested. Bad decision, IMNVHO, but it looks like they're going to change it so you can browse around without registering.

[bannination]

Some more irony from the Tea Party.

I guess it's not irony if you expect them to be like that.... hm.....

[rstrong]

You know, maybe the ACA is doomed to fail, it could happen. It seems that this is now the Tea Party mantra.
[...]
Personally I hope it fails in such a spectacular fashion as to bring in universal coverage.

Yes. Remember, Obama campaigned on universal coverage in 2008. But in 2009 he didn't have the supermajority needed for it to pass. So then he adopted 15 years of Republican healthcare policy, including the personal mandate that everyone from Bob Dole to Newt Gingrich to Mitt Romney to the far right Heritage Foundation demanded.

And so now the Republicans declare 15 years of Republican healthcare policy to be unconstitutional commie Marxist socialism. Anything they can use to show that it doesn't work, takes America one step closer to an eventual vote on Canadian-style universal coverage that will pass.

rstrong is an IT guy, thinks single payer is far superior, and is Canadian.

Shhhhh.... It's only a coincidence.

The same goes for the coming break-up the Republican Party, as the far right declares anyone who isn't a submoronic crackpot to be a RINO, and forms a separate Tea Party. The fact that the break-up is led by two Canadians - Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin - is strictly coincidence.