Government On The Take

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Only a fucking idiot still believes any of that crap applies to rethugliklans, who will march off the debt cliff blindfolded to buy bullets and bombs and bodybags.

Or shut the government down.... costing us... MORE money.

Too bad for you the republicans passed multiple bills to FUND the government and it was Harry Reid, obama, and the dims that actually caused the shutdown..and for what? To stop a delay in obamacare...oh wait...the delay was just granted BY OBAMA.

Sorry, but you can't hold the entire government and our economy hostage just because you don't like legislation that was *ALREADY PASSED*. If you give in to that kind of mentality then you legitimize the practice.

Most people see it that way, you're a minority. The sooner you realize that the sooner you can repair the Republican's reputation.

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Too bad for you the republicans passed multiple bills to FUND the government and it was Harry Reid, obama, and the dims that actually caused the shutdown..and for what? To stop a delay in obamacare...oh wait...the delay was just granted BY OBAMA.

Deschain demonstrates that some claims do not merely show ignorance and dishonesty. They display a level of stupidity so alarming as to render the ignorance and dishonesty secondary. They raise a serious question as to whether emergency personnel should be rushed to the scene to equip the subject with a ventilator in case he forgets to breathe.

[Roland Deschain]

Sorry, but you can't hold the entire government and our economy hostage just because you don't like legislation that was *ALREADY PASSED*. If you give in to that kind of mentality then you legitimize the practice.

Really? Tell us, just how many republican votes did obamacare get in both houses? While you are at it, tell us how many attempts to "release the hostage" (fund the government) were made by the GOP during the shut down and who REFUSED them. Funny, how you idiots are still trying to vilify the GOP for the shutdown when it plainly lies on obama and Reid's refusal to negotiate over a delay that has now been hypocritically GRANTED by obama. Is it time to say we told you so yet?? I think so

[Roland Deschain]

Too bad for you the republicans passed multiple bills to FUND the government and it was Harry Reid, obama, and the dims that actually caused the shutdown..and for what? To stop a delay in obamacare...oh wait...the delay was just granted BY OBAMA.

Deschain demonstrates that some claims do not merely show ignorance and dishonesty. They display a level of stupidity so alarming as to render the ignorance and dishonesty secondary. They raise a serious question as to whether emergency personnel should be rushed to the scene to equip the subject with a ventilator in case he forgets to breathe.

Your choice is simple....disprove the claims. Disprove them or shut your canadian yap, 'cause as we say in these parts "you aint got a dog in this fight"

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What claim have you made Roland? The only thing I see is that you think it's acceptable to shutdown the government every time someone doesn't like legislation that has already passed.

Think about it, what you said doesn't even make sense, the democrats shutdown the government to stop a delay that was going to happen anyway?

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Too bad for you the republicans passed multiple bills to FUND the government and it was Harry Reid, obama, and the dims that actually caused the shutdown..and for what? To stop a delay in obamacare...oh wait...the delay was just granted BY OBAMA.

Deschain demonstrates that some claims do not merely show ignorance and dishonesty. They display a level of stupidity so alarming as to render the ignorance and dishonesty secondary. They raise a serious question as to whether emergency personnel should be rushed to the scene to equip the subject with a ventilator in case he forgets to breathe.

Your choice is simple....disprove the claims. Disprove them or shut your canadian yap, 'cause as we say in these parts "you aint got a dog in this fight"

That's not true, the entire world has a dog in the fight when we cause ripples in the financial markets. I know you of course, "don't care". However, most of us aren't as irresponsible.

[Roland Deschain]

What claim have you made Roland? The only thing I see is that you think it's acceptable to shutdown the government every time someone doesn't like legislation that has already passed.

Talk to your dim buddies (obama and Reid) they shut it down. All they had to do was negotiate. The GOP voted numerous times to fund the government.

Think about it, what you said doesn't even make sense, the democrats shutdown the government to stop a delay that was going to happen anyway?
Still can't bring yourself to call out your golden boys for the hypocritical liars they are....gotta give you credit though, that is a nice spin

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What claim have you made Roland? The only thing I see is that you think it's acceptable to shutdown the government every time someone doesn't like legislation that has already passed.

Talk to your dim buddies (obama and Reid) they shut it down. All they had to do was negotiate. The GOP voted numerous times to fund the government.

Think about it, what you said doesn't even make sense, the democrats shutdown the government to stop a delay that was going to happen anyway?
Still can't bring yourself to call out your golden boys for the hypocritical liars they are....gotta give you credit though, that is a nice spin

Don't give me credit, you're the one who said it.

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Talk to your dim buddies (obama and Reid) they shut it down. All they had to do was negotiate. The GOP voted numerous times to fund the government.

It's YOUR claim, YOU prove it.

Show us where "The GOP voted numerous times to fund the government" without attaching anti-ACA conditions that were never going to happen.

Obama's public system - which he ran on, was elected on, and had majority support in Congress - didn't get the supermajority needed to pass. So he adopted Republican healthcare policy including their personal mandate lock, stock & barrel. And even then he negotiated with Republicans and watered it down so that Republicans could claim victory when it passed. On what planet is adopting the Republican system not negotiating with Republicans?

Your "didn't negotiate" bullshittery only occurs after it passed and after an election was won almost exclusively on the issue.

You can imagine the Republican response if, after THEIR legislation was introduced, negotiated, passed and signed into law, the Democrats said, "We want more concessions. It's not far that you won't (again) negotiate."

Disprove them or shut your canadian yap, 'cause as we say in these parts "you aint got a dog in this fight"

Yes, I do have a dog in this fight. Your healthcare problems overflow into Canada in several ways.

[Roland Deschain]

It's YOUR claim, YOU prove it.

Show us where "The GOP voted numerous times to fund the government" without attaching anti-ACA conditions that were never going to happen.

I'm sorry. Apparently you are not very well versed in the American legislative process in Canada. Let sum it up for you...a bill is passed in one house (spending originates in The House of Representatives) and is sent to the other house. The second house can then either pass the bill as is, make changes and send it back to the originating house, or vote the original down. If either of the last two take place then members of BOTH houses meet and work out an agreement. To simply REFUSE to take up a passed bill from one house is not only a slap to the face of the legislative process, it borders on violation of the oath of office and illegal.

The FACT remains that the GOP in the house voted numerous times to fund the government, it was Harry Reid, senate dims, and obama who REFUSED to play by the rules and not negotiate or go to conference. Now like I said refute the claim or shut the fuck up.

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With all the support republicans had from the general public on this issue, I wonder why they just gave in?

[GoCubsGo]

Not to mention the nineteen or so times the Senate attempted to go to conference with the House between April and the shutdown.....oops.

That Roland sure is dumber than dirt, kind of reminds me of a DEFECTIVE DETECTIVE
who used to hang out here, except Roland has learned how to use spell check. Even his moniker is reminiscent.

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Not to mention the nineteen or so times the Senate attempted to go to conference with the House between April and the shutdown.....oops.

That Roland sure is dumber than dirt, kind of reminds me of a DEFECTIVE DETECTIVE
who used to hang out here, except Roland has learned how to use spell check. Even his moniker is reminiscent.

Nah, even Det. Thorn wasn't that bad. Pretty sure he's Nascarfan88 aka Bowhntr. He's a real charmer, just wait until you get little notes wanting to meet you in person.

He'll whine for a while and go away again.

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Pretty sure he's Nascarfan88 aka Bowhntr.

My favorite Nascarfan88 moments:

- When he was clinging to a lame Republican talking point about economics, I posted a citation that had three different university economics professors disagreeing with him. I used his "take your facts and your professors analysis and stick them..." response a my signature line.

- When he was calling the personal mandate unconstitutional commie Marxist socialism - with a "Newt Gingrich for President" banner as a signature on all his posts, I posted links to Newt Gingrich calling for a personal mandate. Including a video of Gingrich sitting next to Hillary Clinton, lecturing her on why NOT having a personal mandate was unconstitutional commie Marxist socialism.

- Any other time he called me a "liberal", because I was taking a conservative or traditional Republican position he disagreed with.

[GoCubsGo]

Not to mention the nineteen or so times the Senate attempted to go to conference with the House between April and the shutdown.....oops.

That Roland sure is dumber than dirt, kind of reminds me of a DEFECTIVE DETECTIVE
who used to hang out here, except Roland has learned how to use spell check. Even his moniker is reminiscent.

Nah, even Det. Thorn wasn't that bad. Pretty sure he's Nascarfan88 aka Bowhntr. He's a real charmer, just wait until you get little notes wanting to meet you in person.

He'll whine for a while and go away again.

Is he gonna want to beat me up or shoot me?
Roland: The last of the Gunslingers of Gilead. His mission; to find the Dark Tower, the nexus of reality and of the multiverse. He will stop at nothing to complete this misson, even if it means the loss of his soul or friends.

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...Pretty sure he's Nascarfan88 aka Bowhntr...

We pretty much established that he wasn't, something about nascarfan88 whining on CPF that someone was being taken for him, and some other stuff. Not proof positive but convincing. I don't recall exact phrases well enough to search for it. Roland Deschain is probably a different socialist worker screeching about socialist government from a government computer. With limited intelligence, extreme gullibility and the same wingnutty sources they all do sound quite similar.

Hm... I had forgotten about all that. Possibly.... They pretty much have the same calling card. Still pretty sure that it isn't Det. Thorn though.

EDIT:

Ahh it just donged on me that Roland is also possibly/probably Mad American.

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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... eep-obama/

Real facts? Seems pretty balanced to me.

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Meanwhile...

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That's quite the sense of outrage there.