The homophobic thread :>

[Cannonpointer]

Again, I don't prefer civil courts in place of regulation. I'm all for anti-discrimination laws. But the idea that a boss can walk up and say, "I don't let faggots work my counter - get out!" is just silly.

You do enjoy weasling, don't you?

Somewhat. Depends on the day, the moon, the mood...

I can tell you that I firmly detest it in others. But I have to put up with a LITTLE of it, I suppose.

So I put up with mine.

That statement, in that manner, might get a harassment lawsuit, but the same guy could call the faggot into the office, and say, "I'm sorry, but I didn't know you were homosexual when I hired you, and I don't want you working here." And if that were the only issue, the employee would have no recourse. But again, employers don't usually do that. They have policies, they have corporate philosophies against sexual orientation discrimination, they generally don't care if a person is gay if they're doing a good job. But bottom line, if any factor is not protected, it can be used legally as a reason for firing.

Then fattism, green-eyeism, etc.ism are equally at risk, I suppose.

You still need to look up what "right to work" means.

You'll have to forgive me for not doing so. I have an errand to run and a shit to give elsewhere. Smiley face.

[O Really]

Then fattism, green-eyeism, etc.ism are equally at risk, I suppose.
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You are (finally) correct. "Fattism", unless it can be tied into a disability is indeed unprotected, and you can toss the tubbies. It happens more often than you might think, although it's more typically a failure to hire or preferential job assignment. Green eyes? Don't like them. Fire the green-eyed wench. Unless s/he can show, for example, them to be a characteristic of a particular ethnic group (Irish?) and that is the basis for your bias, you're clear in dumping her.

As to "right to work" I don't care if you educate yourself or not, but if I were using a term in a way that made me seem ignorant on that which I profess to knowledgeable, I'd probably spend a couple of minutes looking it up. Saving face isn't just an Asian trait. Winking Face.

[Boatrocker]

Methodist Pastor Frank Schaefer Faces Trial for Son's Gay Wedding

...The fate of Schaefer's father, the Rev. Frank Schaefer, will be decided at a Methodist retreat outside of Philadelphia this Monday, six years after he officiated at Tim's same-sex marriage in Massachusetts.

Schaefer, pastor of Zion United Methodist Church of Iona in South Lebanon Township, told his superiors in the Eastern Pennsylvania Conference that he was going to perform at his son's wedding in 2007 and received no warning or reprimand. It was only this April, when a parishioner filed a complaint, that Schaefer was told he would face discipline for violating church doctrine.

"What is my crime? I blessed two people that loved each other," Schaefer, 51, told ABC News...

Schaefer has declined the church's offer to avoid trial by agreeing not to perform another same-sex marriage.

"Jesus our Lord and Savior never mentioned homosexuality at all and my point is if it is that important of an issue, why didn't he mention it?," Schaefer said...

On Saturday in Philadelphia, nearly 50 ministers participated in a same-sex wedding at a Methodist church as a symbol of support for their colleague, Schaefer, reports the Philadelphia Inquirer.

Schaefer, a pastor for nearly 20 years, has also received support from his local church community. A Facebook page called "Stand With Pastor Frank: Support Equality" has nearly 2,000 likes...

"six years"?! I wonder if the parishioner is "out of the closet" about her/his complaint or whether it's anonymous?

Maybe he just found out about it. Good job, preacher. And that's something I never say.

[rstrong]

Methodist Pastor Frank Schaefer Faces Trial for Son's Gay Wedding

"six years"?! I wonder if the parishioner is "out of the closet" about her/his complaint or whether it's anonymous?

CTV: Methodist ministers back colleague who performed son's 2007 same-sex marriage

PHILADELPHIA -- About 50 ministers gave their symbolic support to a colleague facing sanctions from the United Methodist Church by participating in a same-sex wedding.
[...]
Most of the 50 are Methodist ministers.

[neoplacebo]

The last time I went to church, that night I dreamed that the ends of all my fingers had turned into the heads of little dicks. It sort of made me uneasy since I used to bite my fingernails. I wonder what it means?

[rstrong]

Hawaii legalizes gay marriage

[rstrong]

Sixteen, and getting quite close to one half of Americans.

With same-sex marriage recognized for federal government workers and many Fortune 500 employees in the remaining states.

I'd love to learn who first predicted we'd get here this fast and when they did so.

I'm willing to concede that homerfobe's obsession with the issue was likely due to his predicting it without saying so, long before the rest of us.

[homerfobe]

The last time I went to church, that night I dreamed that the ends of all my fingers had turned into the heads of little dicks. It sort of made me uneasy since I used to bite my fingernails. I wonder what it means?

It means you have a secret desire to nibble on little dicks. You should control your perverted desires.

Sixteen, and getting quite close to one half of Americans.

With same-sex marriage recognized for federal government workers and many Fortune 500 employees in the remaining states.

I'd love to learn who first predicted we'd get here this fast and when they did so.

I'm willing to concede that homerfobe's obsession with the issue was likely due to his predicting it without saying so, long before the rest of us.

I have no obsession with the proliferation of faggots. It's not rocket science to see that people are getting complacent with the rise of sickening perversions
and are gleeful in seeing these nasty bastards being accepted as normal, when they are nothing but lowlife freaks of nature. These posts that Verde posts, and his/her faithful clones dutifully mirror, that are celebrating queers, is an excellent example. Why worry about the populations affect on global warming?
In a hundred years there will be so many buttfuckers, shitpackers, and twat twinkies, that the population will surely dwindle and the climate just might return to normal, providing they don't go swimming and foul the waters with their stench.

[neoplacebo]

The last time I went to church, that night I dreamed that the ends of all my fingers had turned into the heads of little dicks. It sort of made me uneasy since I used to bite my fingernails. I wonder what it means?

It means you have a secret desire to nibble on little dicks. You should control your perverted desires.

Thanks; I always figured it was just my subliminal reaction to having to read endless reports and accounts of clergy sexually molesting and abusing young boys in the congregation. You must be an advocate.

[Mr.B]

Methodist Pastor Frank Schaefer Faces Trial for Son's Gay Wedding

CTV: Methodist ministers back colleague who performed son's 2007 same-sex marriage

PHILADELPHIA -- "About 50 ministers gave their symbolic support to a colleague facing sanctions from the United Methodist Church by participating in a same-sex wedding. Most of the 50 are Methodist ministers."

It's a shame that a man who would dedicate his life in the work of God to turn his back on the very promise and responsibility of his calling. Of course, it's evident that Satan is alive and well and is doing everything in his power to bring down a church and make it an object of ridicule and shame.

"I always figured it was just my subliminal reaction to having to read endless reports and accounts of clergy sexually molesting and abusing young boys in the congregation."

As I said above about Satan......and I'll add this: Just because one calls himself a man of God......you know the rest.
I guess if a homosexual pedophile wanted a venue to access young boys, the church or a Boy Scout troop (both of which place trust in their leaders) would be the place to carry out their evil perversions.

God help us.

[Ombudsman]

Methodist Pastor Frank Schaefer Faces Trial for Son's Gay Wedding

CTV: Methodist ministers back colleague who performed son's 2007 same-sex marriage

PHILADELPHIA -- "About 50 ministers gave their symbolic support to a colleague facing sanctions from the United Methodist Church by participating in a same-sex wedding. Most of the 50 are Methodist ministers."

It's a shame that a man who would dedicate his life in the work of God to turn his back on the very promise and responsibility of his calling. Of course, it's evident that Satan is alive and well and is doing everything in his power to bring down a church and make it an object of ridicule and shame.

"I always figured it was just my subliminal reaction to having to read endless reports and accounts of clergy sexually molesting and abusing young boys in the congregation."

As I said above about Satan......and I'll add this: Just because one calls himself a man of God......you know the rest.
I guess if a homosexual pedophile wanted a venue to access young boys, the church or a Boy Scout troop (both of which place trust in their leaders) would be the place to carry out their evil perversions.

God help us.

How can a grown man believe in something as silly as Satan? You believe in the Sandman too?

[rstrong]

Methodist Pastor Frank Schaefer Faces Trial for Son's Gay Wedding

CTV: Methodist ministers back colleague who performed son's 2007 same-sex marriage

PHILADELPHIA -- "About 50 ministers gave their symbolic support to a colleague facing sanctions from the United Methodist Church by participating in a same-sex wedding. Most of the 50 are Methodist ministers."

It's a shame that a man who would dedicate his life in the work of God to turn his back on the very promise and responsibility of his calling. Of course, it's evident that Satan is alive and well and is doing everything in his power to bring down a church and make it an object of ridicule and shame.

It's a shame that a man who would dedicate his life in the work of God, in living up to the very promise and responsibility of his calling, has to deal with a church bureaucracy that clings to hatred. Of course, it's evident that Satan is alive and well and is doing everything in his power to bring down a church and make it an object of ridicule and shame - despite this man's work and the 50 other ministers supporting him.

"I always figured it was just my subliminal reaction to having to read endless reports and accounts of clergy sexually molesting and abusing young boys in the congregation."

I guess if a homosexual pedophile wanted a venue to access young boys, the church or a Boy Scout troop (both of which place trust in their leaders) would be the place to carry out their evil perversions.

Homosexuals and pedophiles are NOT the same thing. Your claim is a cop-out; a lie by vile little hate-mongers like yourself, unwilling to deal honestly with the problem of vast number of pedophiles shuffled from unsuspecting church to unsuspecting church. Unable to cope with knowing that the vast majority of them were heterosexual Christian believers like yourself.

Small wonder that the Scouts, the other organization earning a reputation for the problem and for sweeping it under the rug, ALSO barred homosexuals the whole time, ALSO made Christianity a requirement, and yet ALSO had the same problem regardless the whole time.

You're pathetic. Its people like you who kept the problem swept under the rug for generations.

[Mr.B]

"How can a grown man believe in something as silly as Satan?"

The same as I believe in something as silly as God......

"When Christian pastors were working to turn their churches away from their biblically inspired slavery and Jim Crow Mr.B would have been right there in the first pew calling them satanic."

You, like Banni, are cherry-picking. As you are well aware, the parts you choose to ridicule is merely ancient history, not the Biblical lifestyle expected of today's Christians. When a "pastor" works to turn a church from the Bible, they are satanic.

Call me what you wish, I've a thick hide, but one day you can call me GONE!

"Homosexuals and pedophiles are NOT the same thing. Your claim is a cop-out; a lie by vile little hate-mongers like yourself, unwilling to deal honestly with the problem of vast number of pedophiles shuffled from unsuspecting church to unsuspecting church. Unable to cope with knowing that the vast majority of them were heterosexual Christian believers like yourself. Small wonder that the Scouts, the other organization earning a reputation for the problem and for sweeping it under the rug, ALSO barred homosexuals the whole time, ALSO made Christianity a requirement, and yet ALSO had the same problem regardless the whole time. You're pathetic. Its people like you who kept the problem swept under the rug for generations."

Wow! You defending someone's honor or something? A homosexual is a homosexual, no matter how many coats of paint is used in an attempt to cover it up; a heterosexual is a heterosexual; something that doesn't change overnight.
So if a male prefers boys, he's not a homosexual pedophile? That's rich; a lie by vile little Sodomite-supporters like yourself that are unwilling to admit that men who weasel themselves into the lives of young boys to have sex with them are homosexuals. And not only that....according to your warped, twisted thinking...it's the church's fault! You and your ilk are the pathetic ones; ones who defend homosexuals who are caught messing with kids.

Have you ever heard of someone telling a lie? Scout leaders, church leaders, etc. that are put in positions of responsibility and are caught in their vile deeds lied about their Christianity, and the respective organizations did sweep it under the rug in an attempt to avoid embarrassment over their being duped into believing them. BTW....Jerry Sandusky wasn't a church leader or a scout leader. He started his own "club" to induce and seduce; just because he was a husband and father doesn't lessen the fact that he was a closeted homosexual. He had to cover his tracks and perverted desires somehow.

Sorry.....your insults aimed at me are empty, and your post is a cop-out as an attempt to absolve homosexual pedophiles of any wrong doings and laying the blame for their perversions elsewhere.

[rstrong]

A homosexual is a homosexual, no matter how many coats of paint is used in an attempt to cover it up; a heterosexual is a heterosexual; something that doesn't change overnight.
So if a male prefers boys, he's not a homosexual pedophile?

No. Pedophiles prefer kids, and have little preference for either sex. Studies have shown that most men who have gone after boys are usually solidly heterosexual when it comes to adults. (citation, with numerous studies) The difference was that they were put in charge of choir boys, and not choir girls, boy scouts, and not girl scouts.

Have you ever heard of someone telling a lie? Scout leaders, church leaders, etc. that are put in positions of responsibility and are caught in their vile deeds lied about their Christianity, and the respective organizations did sweep it under the rug in an attempt to avoid embarrassment over their being duped into believing them.

That's a lie. A self-delusion by people like you who would rather let kids get molested rather than let it interfere with your dogma.

. BTW....Jerry Sandusky wasn't a church leader or a scout leader. He started his own "club" to induce and seduce; just because he was a husband and father doesn't lessen the fact that he was a closeted homosexual. He had to cover his tracks and perverted desires somehow.

Citation? Other than from your favorite hate groups?

[O Really]

Maybe he just found out about it...

Possible, but I think some nasty personal vendetta is more likely. It doesn't sound like the pastor ever hid anything.

And it appears Vrede is correct again...

The church's attorney, the Rev. Christopher Fisher, told the 13-member jury in his opening statement that Schaefer clearly violated the Methodist Book of Discipline by presiding over the 2007 ceremony in Massachusetts. He said the complainant — a member of Schaefer's congregation — was dismayed and shocked when he learned of the ceremony earlier this year.

Shocked! Shocked, I say!

Why would anybody put up with this kangaroo court? It's not like there aren't other churches that would be happy to have somebody like Shaefer.

http://news.msn.com/us/united-methodist ... y-marriage

[rstrong]

As my link above said...

Schaefer, 51, could be suspended, reprimanded or lose his credentials because he performed a wedding ceremony for his son in 2007 in Massachusetts. He had informed his superiors about it beforehand and did not face any consequences until April, when a congregant filed a complaint.

With his superiors informed and not stopping it, and with no consequences until someone complained six years later, and with 50 other ministers supporting him, it seems that it's church policy that's on trial more than the minister.

[O Really]

If that's all it was I was incorrect, but there still may have been a personal vendetta to it. It's not like Christians are known for honesty or being open about their motivations.

To be sure, there was not enough real evidence in the article to definitively support a personal vendetta. But bringing up an old and not hidden issue and claiming to have just heard about it and being "shocked" to the point of trying to get him removed sure sounds personal. Now if there was a large group of members, or if the local church leadership had tried to oust him... but it do sound like a personal issue to me. Whatever happened to just changing churches if you don't like the minister? I haven't read about any shortage of them.

[Mr.B]

"Have you ever heard of someone telling a lie? Scout leaders, church leaders, etc. that are put in positions of responsibility and are caught in their vile deeds lied about their Christianity, and the respective organizations did sweep it under the rug in an attempt to avoid embarrassment over their being duped into believing them."

"That's a lie. A self-delusion by people like you who would rather let kids get molested rather than let it interfere with your dogma."

A lie!?! Do you seriously believe that? So you're saying if a man applies for a job as a scoutmaster, or wants to enter the "ministry", and he's up front with his pedophile desires, he's going to be hired/accepted despite his revelation? Are you for real or just plain stupid and "would rather let kids get molested rather than let it interfere with your dogma?" How would my beliefs (or dogma) desire that kids get molested? That's the stupidest remark you've ever made, and I thought you were a rather intelligent individual....guess I was fooled.

"Jerry Sandusky is a devout Christian."

I seriously doubt that. He is a devout pedophile, through and through. Just because one calls himself a Christian......©

I or any of us could call ourselves anything we wish.....doesn't mean we are what we say.

[Mr.B]

"It's interesting that the complainant has apparently not been named or stepped forward. I'd say s/he is the real sleazeball here. It would not surprise me a bit to eventually learn that s/he is a hater that learned about the wedding and joined the church with the intention of complaining."

I myself wondered why this person waited so long to complain.

[Mr.B]

"How can a grown man believe in something as silly as Satan?"

Oh yeah...and this: So who/what inspired your question?