Most Americans want to work, they don't want hand outs.

[O Really]

OK so both of you liberal shills are going to argue semantics knowing that minimum wage has never increased more than a dollar in any one step. The fact that an amendment a created the path for a SERIES OF STEPS was not a $2.20 single increase.
http://www.thedigeratilife.com/blog/fed ... e-history/
Ya'll keep patting yourselves on the back thinking you are so smart when in this case you are being intentionally deceptive...oh wait..that is typical of a liberal.

You didn't say "one step" at first. And it's not semantics or deceptive at all. The laws changing minimum wage aren't enacted every year. In the past 20 years, it's been pretty rare. But when a minimum wage change law is passed, it covers several years. When (most) people say they want a law passed increasing the minimum to $10 or $15, nobody (or hardly anybody) has any expectation it would be in one chunk. But it would be one law, and it would get the minimum to whatever amount is passed. Your original objection was largely that it's too much of an increase because no increase is ever over a dollar. That was incorrect, unless you has specified that no "step increase" was over a dollar, but I'm guessing you must have thought every step increase required a new minimum wage law to be passed.

[Roland Deschain]

OK so both of you liberal shills are going to argue semantics knowing that minimum wage has never increased more than a dollar in any one step. The fact that an amendment a created the path for a SERIES OF STEPS was not a $2.20 single increase.
http://www.thedigeratilife.com/blog/fed ... e-history/
Ya'll keep patting yourselves on the back thinking you are so smart when in this case you are being intentionally deceptive...oh wait..that is typical of a liberal.

You didn't say "one step" at first. And it's not semantics or deceptive at all. The laws changing minimum wage aren't enacted every year. In the past 20 years, it's been pretty rare. But when a minimum wage change law is passed, it covers several years. When (most) people say they want a law passed increasing the minimum to $10 or $15, nobody (or hardly anybody) has any expectation it would be in one chunk. But it would be one law, and it would get the minimum to whatever amount is passed. Your original objection was largely that it's too much of an increase because no increase is ever over a dollar. That was incorrect, unless you has specified that no "step increase" was over a dollar, but I'm guessing you must have thought every step increase required a new minimum wage law to be passed.

My objection is to the fact that there comes a point where the wage matches the work done and flipping burgers is not worth 15 or even 10 dollars an hour. Not to mention that you idiots are too stupid to understand that the increased cost associated with mandated higher pay will be passed on. It will be passed on in the form of higher prices, fewer employees (less jobs), and more modernization (less jobs). If you think you can make McDonalds pay $10 an hour and still get a Big Mac combo for today's price you truly are living in a fantasy world.

[Roland Deschain]

OK so both of you liberal

I'm not a liberal.

No your just an asshole idiot

shills are going to argue semantics

Nah, too advanced for you. We're arguing elementary school math, history and English comprehension with you.

knowing that minimum wage has never increased more than a dollar in any one step. The fact that an amendment

Bill, not "amendment". Civics much?

Better go bitch at oreally then...I used her word

a created the path for a SERIES OF STEPS was not a $2.20 single increase.
http://www.thedigeratilife.com/blog/fed ... e-history/
Ya'll keep patting yourselves on the back thinking you are so smart when in this case you are being intentionally deceptive...oh wait..that is typical of a liberal.

Of you poor illiterate and uninformed thing. Once again: We don't know if any new increase will be all at once or stepped like that one and the percentage increase (now proposed to be less than last time) is more important when calculating impacts than your "more than one dollar" silliness. You fail Economics, too. It's hilarious when you confuse yourself and then imagine that we've deceived you.

Your Chicken Little, corporate-shill predictions of dire effects still have no real world evidentiary basis. We've heard the same screeching every time a minimum wage hike has been proposed and it's never proven true. You sure are gullible.

Now, about your deceptive "rounding"?

Spin a way vrede and keep deflecting back to shit that doesn't matter...tell me does belittling everyone from behind the security of a computer keyboard make you feel big in someway or is it what you do to get your jollies?

[O Really]

"burger flippers aren't worth $10 or $15 an hour"
The value of jobs isn't necessarily based on how difficult one thinks they may be, or how much (or little) training might be required, or even whether an uneducated person might be able to do them. For example, garbage collectors get paid well over $10/hour most places. But you do know that McDonald's doesn't actually have any "burger flippers," right? I guess you might call them drawer-cookers and assembly people. As to the issue of them hiring fewer people, what drives that is more technology and demand rather than direct cost of labor. And all costs, labor, technology, ingredients, etc. are always reflected in the price of the food. Isn't that pretty much a "duh"?

[Roland Deschain]

And all costs, labor, technology, ingredients, etc. are always reflected in the price of the food. Isn't that pretty much a "duh"?

Apparently not to the liberals who think everyone is entitled to 10, 11, or 12 dollar an hour jobs. Thanks for proving my point.

[O Really]

And all costs, labor, technology, ingredients, etc. are always reflected in the price of the food. Isn't that pretty much a "duh"?

Apparently not to the liberals who think everyone is entitled to 10, 11, or 12 dollar an hour jobs. Thanks for proving my point.

Your point regarding increases in labor (or other) costs being reflected in product price needs no proof. It's pretty self-evident and universal. So what? Is that a reason to keep people working 40 hours a week at below poverty level?

[Roland Deschain]

Your point regarding increases in labor (or other) costs being reflected in product price needs no proof. It's pretty self-evident and universal. So what? Is that a reason to keep people working 40 hours a week at below poverty level?

You tell me. Are you going to pay $10 for a Big Mac combo, $6 for a gallon of Laura Lynn milk, $5 for a loaf of bread? How many other people are going to as well? Then what, as profits fall what is the business owner going to do. Decrease work force? You already can not get out of Wal-mart due to 45 minute waits to check out (before Christmas season). Most minimum wage employees are not 40 hour a week employees as well so that point is moot. Nothing is free. So they get an increase in minimum wage to get them closer to a "living wage". However, the cost of living is increased by business owners to off set the extra expense. So they are still "below poverty level, even though they are getting paid more, and everyone else is paying out the nose to fund the increase. So you tell me....what is better for the country as a whole...realizing that certain jobs are not jobs that you can earn a LIVING at, paying them as such, and pushing people in the direction of bettering THEMSELVES in order to get better jobs that pay better wages, or just have the government mandate another scheme to "share the wealth"?

[O Really]

Back in 60-something, McDonald's burgers were 15 cents, as were regular fries, and a soda was a dime. Everybody at that time would have been totally appalled at the idea of a "dollar menu" being considered a good thing. They would have sworn the world would end if burger joints started charging upwards of $3-5 for a sandwich. They couldn't imagine gas ever being a dollar, much less thinking three dollars is a good deal. If you told someone in the late sixties that cinemas would charge seven or nine dollars for a film, they'd tell you the world would end and no one would go to a movie. Back then, you could get dinner beforehand, movie, popcorn, soda, and gas to get around for the night for under ten dollars. But the world hasn't ended yet, and it won't end just because the price of burgers keeps going up.

And BTW, there are a lot more McDonald's in the world than there were when burgers were fifteen cents, lots more people working for them, and a higher profit level.

[Mr.B]

Raise the wages...minimum or higher....merchants raise their prices so's to get more of their money....workers still stuck in a rut. We live in a greedy world.

Also this.....no matter the workers' pay scale in any of the fast food joints.....the next time you go in one, watch how many of them are either wearing a smart phone or are checking their texts, emails, etc. when they have a free moment or on break. Priorities anyone?

[O Really]

Raise the wages...minimum or higher....merchants raise their prices so's to get more of their money....workers still stuck in a rut. We live in a greedy world.

Also this.....no matter the workers' pay scale in any of the fast food joints.....the next time you go in one, watch how many of them are either wearing a smart phone or are checking their texts, emails, etc. when they have a free moment or on break. Priorities anyone?

As Roland pointed out, not all fast food workers are the same. Some are kids, some are people between "real" jobs, some are people who can't get anything better, some are people who just want to make a few extra bucks. What priorities would you expect, Mr.B? A mobile is pretty much a necessity, not so much a luxury.

[JTA]

This may sound like another talking point but I'm genuinely curious - how difficult would it be to automate most fast food workers jobs? It seems like they're nearly automated as is since some places like McDonalds have made the food preparation process incredibly simplified, so couldn't the process be taken a step further and be made fully automated with just a handful of employees on hand to watch over everything? RedBox and the like have pretty much made video rental stores redundant, so is it possible the same could be done with most fast food restaurants?

[O Really]

The could, and have. The cooking and assembly process has changed a lot over the years, and the purchase process has been automated, too. Some McDonald's (I think - could be another grease-burger chain) has central ordering where a couple of people in a central location take orders from several restaurant locations. When you speak to the box, you don't even know the person answering isn't inside.

Probably it's more of a marketing decision than anything else to have a real person hand you your food and take your money.

[Mr.B]

"Probably it's more of a marketing decision than anything else to have a real person hand you your food and take your money."

Would be no problem wondering if your burger was spat on either....glad 'ol Ommy don't hustle burgers, ain't you?

[O Really]

"Probably it's more of a marketing decision than anything else to have a real person hand you your food and take your money."

Would be no problem wondering if your burger was spat on either....glad 'ol Ommy don't hustle burgers, ain't you?

Spit happens, but it's rare. The fat and the sodium are way worse hazards. I just think the idea that a live person is handing you your food has a psychological impact that has marketing value in reminding you that you're not at an automat or buying boxed food from the bodega.

[Ombudsman]

Ommy don't hustle burgers, ain't you?

Your obsession isn't healthy. You and homo sure have a lot in common.

[Mr.B]

"You and homo sure have a lot in common."

So do you and Fred Phelps.

[Mr.B]

"Back in 60-something, McDonald's burgers were 15 cents, as were regular fries, and a soda was a dime. Everybody at that time would have been totally appalled at the idea of a "dollar menu" being considered a good thing. They would have sworn the world would end if burger joints started charging upwards of $3-5 for a sandwich. They couldn't imagine gas ever being a dollar, much less thinking three dollars is a good deal. If you told someone in the late sixties that cinemas would charge seven or nine dollars for a film, they'd tell you the world would end and no one would go to a movie. Back then, you could get dinner beforehand, movie, popcorn, soda, and gas to get around for the night for under ten dollars. But the world hasn't ended yet, and it won't end just because the price of burgers keeps going up."

Behold......the prognostications....

‘I’ll tell you one thing, if things keep going the way they are,
it’s going to be impossible to buy a week’s groceries for $10.00.‘


‘Have you seen the new cars coming out next year? It won’t
be long before $1,000.00 will only buy a used one.’


‘If they raise the minimum wage to $1.00, nobody will be able to hire outside help at the store.’


‘When I first started driving, who would have thought gas would someday cost 25 cents a gallon?!
Guess we’d be better off leaving the car in the garage.’


‘Did you see where some baseball player just signed a contract for $50,000 a year just to play ball?
It wouldn’t surprise me if someday they’ll be making more than the President!‘


'It’s too bad things are so tough nowadays. I see where
married women are having to work to make ends meet.'


‘There is no sense going on short trips anymore for a weekend; It costs nearly $2.00 a night to stay In a motel.’


‘No one can afford to be sick anymore. At $15.00 a day in the hospital, it’s too rich for my blood!’


‘Did you hear the post office is thinking about charging 7 cents just to mail a letter!?’



LINK: "Those were the days my friend....we thought they'd never end........"

[Ombudsman]

Are you trying to embed images from your yahoo account?

[O Really]

Yeah, the links were broken, but his quotes are realistic. Does anybody remember when gas prices started to go up sharply? I lived in south Texas in the early 70's when gas was really 15 cents a gallon sometimes, there were "price wars" and the gas stations gave out gifts with purchase. OK, so it was cheap glassware or whatever, but still... And they gave savings stamps. I was back in Pennsylvania in '79 when prices took a sharp upswing due to the "OPEC crisis" and prices got past 50 cents and headed for 75. Screams of impending apocalypse were rampant. Point being, people don't like being changed. They fear uncertainty, and are suspicious of the unknown. Doesn't mean humans don't adapt, and that yesterday's apocalypse is today's normal. BTW, how about that total break-down of the military since gays were allowed in. Massive, eh? Or where the damgummint totally took over the auto industry, bringing to life the socialist dream. Yeppers.

[Mr.B]

"Are you trying to embed images from your yahoo account?"

Sometimes it works....most times it don't. My Yahoo account ain't no-a'count anyhow.