O Really wrote:
"Clever reparte, Mr.B., but the point isn't whether or not Dems or the Darksiders actually have "family values." It is whether or not they use "family values" as a qualification and bragging point for their campaign."
I know what you mean. I can't imagine a Democrat running on a "family values" platform either, because:
(1)...There ain't no such thing as "values" in the Democratic Party, so there's no point in bragging.
(2)...Everyone would know right off the bat that he's a liar
(3)...None of his constituents would vote for him because of #1 above
Mr.B wrote:I know what you mean. I can't imagine a Democrat running on a "family values" platform either, because:
(1)...There ain't no such thing as "values" in the Democratic Party, so there's no point in bragging.
(2)...Everyone would know right off the bat that he's a liar
(3)...None of his constituents would vote for him because of #1 above
So, just like Republicans but with much less hypocrisy then.
Well, Jerry Lee kept it in the family and got married to the girl in question.
Roman Polanski was arrested and fled the U.S. before his final sentencing.
Of course there is a lot of contradictions in the Goldschmidt case between
Goldschmidt and the girl he exploited. There's no doubt a powerful man took
advantage of a younger, much less powerful girl.
Family values is pretty much a waste of time. Campaigning on them is like
campaigning on being for brushing one's teeth.
What is it that prevents the right from seeing their hypocrisy?
Like bb voting for rapists, pedophiles, draft dodgers, nazi supporters and considering faux to be a news channel after seeing over and over that they lie and make up stories, or sucking on the government teat for his medicare, while demanding that hard working tax payers who support him not be allowed to purchase basic health insurance
Or a “sovereign citizen” whining and crying when his social security is cut off
An armed, 65-year-old, self-described “sovereign citizen” was fatally shot in the head this week during what’s being described as a gunfight with local sheriff’s deputies in a suburb of Cleveland.
Israel Rondon’s death came after a 5-year legal battle he waged in a fruitless attempt to convince various courts of his belief that government agencies and laws have no control over so-called sovereign citizens – or a freeman, as he liked to call himself.
As numerous other law enforcement encounters with activists in the United States have shown, the seemingly harmless paperwork filings favored by antigovernment sovereigns can escalate into deadly violence very quickly. Seven law enforcement officers have been killed in the United States since 2000 by members of the sovereign citizens movement, which has been deemed a “domestic terrorist” movement by the FBI.
When six deputies went to Rondon’s residence in Middleburg Heights, Ohio, on Tuesday to arrest him for probation violation, “he came after the deputies with a rifle and opened fire,” the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported in Thursday’s editions.
NewsChannel5 reporters noted that every corner of Rondon’s home and its foundation was spray-painted with words and numbers from U.S. code: “Title 18 1581-241 USC”. That particular code – dealing with slavery, peonage, and forced labor – is frequently cited by sovereign citizens, who believe that such citations release them from obligations as citizens of the United States, including paying their taxes or obeying traffic codes.
A preliminary investigation by the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation found that two deputies fired shots, at least one of which struck Rondon in the head, the newspaper reported. No deputies were injured.
Like so many sovereign citizens who believe they don’t need a driver’s license to operate a vehicle, Rondon’s first encounter with the law came during a traffic stop on Sept. 9, 2009, according to the Cleveland newspaper.
During that stop, a deputy found a loaded .38 caliber handgun under the car seat and a large military-style knife attached to Rondon’s belt. He pleaded no contest to resulting weapons charges in summit County Common Pleas Court, and got two years probation.
But then, the newspaper reported, Rondon filed an appeal, claiming Ohio’s concealed handgun law was unconstitutional because it doesn’t contain provisions to waive fees for indigent persons. His appeal was tossed when judges ruled his constitutional challenge of the law came too late, only after he entered his plea.
In November 2011, a warrant for Rondon’s arrest was issued when he failed to show up for a court hearing.
Middleburg Heights Police Lt. Kevin Hoover initially wasn’t aware of that warrant on Feb. 8, 2012, when he encountered Rondon while responding to a report that people were illegally shooting deer. When the police officer later went to Rondon’s home to arrest him on the warrant, Rondon resisted, striking Hoover, the newspaper reported.
Rondon subsequently was charged with assaulting a police officer and carrying concealed weapons in Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Court, court records show.
Acting as his own attorney, he was sentenced to two years of probation after pleading no contest to those charges in September 2012.
In April 2013, when Rondon was cited in Berea Municipal Court with misdemeanor zoning and building code violations, he responded, as sovereign citizens frequently do, with lengthy handwritten motions questioning the court’s jurisdiction.
While those cases were unfolding, Rondon filed eight lawsuits in U.S. District Court seeking millions in damages from various government officials, agencies and banks. Those kinds of filings have come to be known as “paper terrorism,” an antigovernment tactic that has clogged many courts with legal filings that countless judges have found are nonsensical and without legal basis.
All eight of Rondon’s suits were dismissed within week by judges who held that the suits “were difficult to understand and lacked factual evidence,” the Cleveland newspaper reported. But those rejections didn’t stop Rondon.
In January 2012, he filed three more lawsuits against three banks, the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland, the governor of Ohio and the state Legislature. He accused the assorted defendants of violating the federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act.
Rondon said in his filing that he was bringing the suits because the defendants had attempted to “humiliate, diminish and negation of authority [sic] from which sovereign citizen without political lien or venue takes severe injury.” Less than a month later his suits were dismissed as baseless.
Rondon was back in court again on Jan. 3, 2013, that time accusing the Social Security Administration of withholding payments to him while he was in jail. That suit was dismissed a month later by a judge who ruled it “lacks plausibility.”
Rondon filed three more lawsuits on Aug. 2, 2013, naming as defendants the District Court, the Middleburg Heights Building Department and the Social Security Administration. The newspaper account says all three suits were dismissed by Oct. 16.
Judge John R. Adams wrote that Rondon’s suits were “rambling and incoherent” and his contention that he had been denied due process by the courts was “devoid of any factual support for such assertions.”
Trump: “We had the safest border in the history of our country - or at least recorded history. I guess maybe a thousand years ago it was even better.”
We have "sovereign citizen" parasites in Canada too, with all the same delusional claims. They deny being under the jurisdiction of any laws, and yet file liens against homes they rent when they declare them "embassies" and stop paying rent, file lawsuits against those who don't play along, and even make copyright claims over their own names when reporters report on them.
I had fun with that "sovereign citizen" twit who hung out on the old BlueRidgeNow forum before it was imploded. And claimed to be advising others. He kept trying to prove he was right by posting examples of people who won their "I don't need to pay tax" cases in court. And in every case I responded with links showing how the courts in fact ruled that yes, they did have to pay tax. Usually with penalties.
rstrong wrote:We have "sovereign citizen" parasites in Canada too, with all the same delusional claims. They deny being under the jurisdiction of any laws, and yet file liens against homes they rent when they declare them "embassies" and stop paying rent, file lawsuits against those who don't play along, and even make copyright claims over their own names when reporters report on them.
I had fun with that "sovereign citizen" twit who hung out on the old BlueRidgeNow forum before it was imploded. And claimed to be advising others. He kept trying to prove he was right by posting examples of people who won their "I don't need to pay tax" cases in court. And in every case I responded with links showing how the courts in fact ruled that yes, they did have to pay tax. Usually with penalties.
Worked with a guy back in the early 80s who got into that Patriot Network bullshit. Handed out all that badly photo-copied literature and swore he'd never pay taxes again. Quit filing income tax and claimed 15 exemptions on his W4. You can imagine how that turned out. After he got burned on that crap, he jumped into Herbalife, determined to make a fortune. Perfect republican: greedy, selfish, paranoid and not very bright at all.
People are crazy and times are strange. I'm locked in tight, I'm out of range.
I used to care, but, things have changed.
I watch very little network TV; only watch WLOS a.m. and late p.m. news, ABC p.m. news when I'm home...otherwise, very little network TV or news stations.
I despise talk show formats, radio or TV; I don't care for the "Christian" channels on TV either.
My radio interests is local Christian and country stations; occasionally a bit of WHKP or WTZQ. That's all folks.
I watch very little network TV; only watch WLOS a.m. and late p.m. news, ABC p.m. news when I'm home...otherwise, very little network TV or news stations.
I despise talk show formats, radio or TV; I don't care for the "Christian" channels on TV either.
My radio interests is local Christian and country stations; occasionally a bit of WHKP or WTZQ. That's all folks.
is that another way of saying that your bs comes from some sort of divine impairment
Trump: “We had the safest border in the history of our country - or at least recorded history. I guess maybe a thousand years ago it was even better.”
Speaking of "Wingutties"; this has got to be Vrede's theme song for life....I couldn't decide whether to post this in the "Obamacare" thread or here...
'here' won out.............
9-month-old baby arrested for attempted murder - seems some whiney ass cop in pakistan had his feelies threatened. Lucky for the kid that he wasn’t in florimurder, o.k.u.s.a.
Trump: “We had the safest border in the history of our country - or at least recorded history. I guess maybe a thousand years ago it was even better.”
Mr.B wrote: You really ought to change your avatar...that looks like a pimpled ass sitting on your shoulders.
I've been trying to figure out what the hell that is. You nailed it Mr.B. That looks like the pimpled backside of an ass with the legs crossed.
Whatever it is, it's one ugly mutha......like it's owner.
Proudly Telling It Like It Is: In Your Face! Whether You Like It Or Not!
Mr.B wrote: You really ought to change your avatar...that looks like a pimpled ass sitting on your shoulders.
I've been trying to figure out what the hell that is. You nailed it Mr.B. That looks like the pimpled backside of an ass with the legs crossed.
Whatever it is, it's one ugly mutha......like it's owner.
real sorry that you two can't recognize good art, but I bet ol Kurt is laughing at you both
Trump: “We had the safest border in the history of our country - or at least recorded history. I guess maybe a thousand years ago it was even better.”
I'm about as far from being a right wing wingnut as one can get, and I think drugs should be legalized. The biggest reason I feel this way is that, one, there will always be a portion of society that will abuse intoxicants regardless of their legality and two, if drugs were legal (controlled, taxed, tracked, etc.) those abusers would not be forced to deal with "criminals" in order to abuse the drugs. And, lastly, should heroin, opium, cocaine, and battery acid become legal and available tomorrow at local ABCD (D for drugs) stores, I myself would be conspicuously absent from the store. Additionally, the European models in which drug abuse is treated as an illness rather than a crime have proven to be a better way to go than the path of blind ignorance and pseudo morality that we've been on these last 40 or 50 years.
