O Really wrote:I'm not playing that game. If I find you one case as an example, you'll just claim it was a fluke. If I find you 50 cases, you'd just nitpick over the meaning of "is." Each case always has its own specific facts and circumstances. In those 147 Florida fatal cases where SYG was claimed, that law was an integral part of the defense - some worked; some did not. But I think making it easier to avoid legal liability after shooting somebody is not a good thing. You disagree, and apparently do think making it easier to avoid legal liability after shooting somebody is a good thing. Okfine.
Sorry I popped your bubble but your fearless leader would accuse you of running away. You made the statement:
O Really wrote:and quit telling people that just because "they skeered" they can shoot somebody.
I simply asked you to back up that claim and you have failed. It's OK, really, O really. I also can not help but notice that you have ignored or simply avoided comment on the fact that Chicago's murder rate is significantly DOWN since Illinois has implemented concealed carry. You've also ignored that your "violent crime" stats were debunked as not being limited to gun crime.
O Really wrote:If Wilcox had actually shot one of the evil-doers, he would be lauded as a hero - like the kid with the pepper spray - and would surely have been the darling of the NRA for years to come. Unfortunately, his bravado overcame his wisdom in that he jumped in without getting a complete understanding of the situation and was killed. This is one example of what people (cops, security experts, people way more knowledgeable than I) fear from people such as Wilcox. If somebody is waving a gun, they don't know if he's good guy or bad guy; innocent people shot - either by mis-identification or by accident; etc.
I've said repeatedly that the reports of Wilcox shooting Miller were unconfirmed. However, now it seems that the fact that engaged them at all is slowly being written out of the story. Why?
O Really wrote:Yeah, "The shooter obtained the weapons from his family home," the chief said. "The weapons had been secured, but he defeated the security measures."
Some "security."
I wonder if Jared's parents now agree with "Joe the Plumber" when he said "your dead kids don't trump my Constitutional rights."
Oh sure, if the parents hadn't provided the arsenal, an innovative 15 year old could get an AR-15 and a semi-auto on most any street corner, right? But he didn't - he brought it from home.
Interesting. I read the article in vrede's link and it does not mention an AR-15 anywhere. It simply says an "assault rifle". Why is the actual weapon not being named? Of course you automatically ASSUME an AR-15 but what was it really...was it in fact and AR-15, or maybe a Browning BAR, possibly a Remington 760. Once again a very generic term is being thrown about for sensationalism.
Boatrocker wrote:Fuck you and your language commentary. And the police are the folks paid, authorized and TRAINED to carry weapons and use deadly force. They did the job, and the poor schmuck who carried his artificial penis gun to Walmart is dead.
Yep...you're a classy one. Why is it that libtards like yourself always use potty mouth in an effort to get your points across. I'm starting to think that it is because you lack the common sense to explain it otherwise.
I give up- why? And why do you subsentient trailer trash attach so much frustrated sexual significance to firearms? I bet you actually give your guns blowjobs.
Meanwhile, back to the topic . . . .
O Really wrote:Yeah, "The shooter obtained the weapons from his family home," the chief said. "The weapons had been secured, but he defeated the security measures."
Some "security."
I wonder if Jared's parents now agree with "Joe the Plumber" when he said "your dead kids don't trump my Constitutional rights."
Oh sure, if the parents hadn't provided the arsenal, an innovative 15 year old could get an AR-15 and a semi-auto on most any street corner, right? But he didn't - he brought it from home.
Interesting. I read the article in vrede's link and it does not mention an AR-15 anywhere. It simply says an "assault rifle". Why is the actual weapon not being named? Of course you automatically ASSUME an AR-15 but what was it really...was it in fact and AR-15, or maybe a Browning BAR, possibly a Remington 760. Once again a very generic term is being thrown about for sensationalism.
Here's what the police said: "Inside the case and bag was an AR 15-type rifle, a semi-automatic handgun, nine loaded magazines capable of carrying hundreds of rounds and a large knife. He wore a vest used to carry bullets and other items and a sporting helmet in a camouflage design."
Maybe they don't recognize an AR-15 when they see one. Maybe it was something else. Who cares, and what possible difference does it make?
Roland Deschain wrote:... I also can not help but notice that you have ignored or simply avoided comment on the fact that Chicago's murder rate is significantly DOWN since Illinois has implemented concealed carry. You've also ignored that your "violent crime" stats were debunked as not being limited to gun crime.
Why would I ignore that unsubstantiated opinion? I don't know, maybe because the Illinois law went into effect less than a year ago (July '13) and most crime statistics are from earlier. If the first date you could apply for a concealed carry in Illinois was July 9, 2013, you probably wouldn't have actually had it for a month. If you want to believe that shooters and potential murderers actually changed their habits in Chicago because of the potential of more people carrying guns, fine - you're entitled to your opinion. I think if you looked a little deeper, you'd find that most - not all - most of the Chicago killings are among people all of whom already have guns and are known to carry them around.
O Really wrote:and quit telling people that just because "they skeered" they can shoot somebody.
I simply asked you to back up that claim and you have failed. It's OK, really, O really. I also can not help but notice that you have ignored or simply avoided comment on the fact that Chicago's murder rate is significantly DOWN since Illinois has implemented concealed carry. You've also ignored that your "violent crime" stats were debunked as not being limited to gun crime.
The text of the Florida law says, "...if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony." I thought you'd recognize my "skeered" as the scornful parody is was. I didn't think anybody would take it literally. Nevertheless, I think it's pretty much the same thing. Say "I believed myself to be in danger..." and you're on your way. Regardless - in Florida - of whether you started or could have avoided the danger in the first place.
Boatrocker wrote:The Blaze . . . Jesus on a forklift.
Yes, The Blaze because that article includes all the links that in fact DEBUNK the 74 school shooting claim. Would you prefer I post another link or are you just going to sit there a continue with potty mouth?
O Really wrote:Here's what the police said: "Inside the case and bag was an AR 15-type rifle, a semi-automatic handgun, nine loaded magazines capable of carrying hundreds of rounds and a large knife. He wore a vest used to carry bullets and other items and a sporting helmet in a camouflage design."
As your leader would say "citation required", that is not in her link.
O Really wrote:Why would I ignore that unsubstantiated opinion? I don't know, maybe because the Illinois law went into effect less than a year ago (July '13) and most crime statistics are from earlier.
The murder rate decrease is in the first quarter of 2014. Try again.
O Really wrote: I thought you'd recognize my "skeered" as the scornful parody is was
Of course I did, which is it why it was so fun making you eat those words. You have yet to produce a SINGLE defense where SYG was used effectively as a defense in a NON-traditional self defense case.
Boatrocker wrote:The Blaze . . . Jesus on a forklift.
Yes, The Blaze because that article includes all the links that in fact DEBUNK the 74 school shooting claim. Would you prefer I post another link or are you just going to sit there a continue with potty mouth?
Nothing was debunked. Where do you get this shit?
People are crazy and times are strange. I'm locked in tight, I'm out of range.
I used to care, but, things have changed.
Boatrocker wrote:The Blaze . . . Jesus on a forklift.
Yes, The Blaze because that article includes all the links that in fact DEBUNK the 74 school shooting claim. Would you prefer I post another link or are you just going to sit there a continue with potty mouth?
Nothing was debunked. Where do you get this shit?
One independent journalist single-handedly eviscerated an infographic that was created by Everytown for USA, a pro-gun control group founded by former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, and circulated on social media Tuesday.
Note the word DEBUNKED in the web address(gotta paste into your browser window to see)
Another??? OK:
A list of so-called “school shootings” published this week that claimed there have been 74 such incidents since Dec. 2012 – which would average out to more than one per week – has been exposed as a fraud.
A series of RWNJ pubs has their own RWNJs offer disputed supposition with words like "appear" or "seems" and then declare it debunked?
Maybe you could find some similar bullshit on InfoWARS or PrisonPlanet or Breitbart.
People are crazy and times are strange. I'm locked in tight, I'm out of range.
I used to care, but, things have changed.
...any instance in which a firearm was discharged within a school building or on school grounds, sourced to multiple news reports per incident. Therefore, the data isn’t limited to mass shootings like Newtown—it includes assaults, homicides, suicides and even accidental shootings...
Roland Deschain's Glenn Beck link eliminates:
...onto campus, was chased by police, shot student accidentally...
...shot in elementary parking lot...
...accidentally shot herself in thigh...
...committed suicide...
...committed suicide...
...Student shoots friend...
...student shoots self in front of class...
...principal shot by her ex-husband on campus...
...Student killed because of gang activity...
...Student shoots another student...
...student fist fight becomes gun fight...
...shoots himself at high school...
...Student kills self in class...
...student kills self in parking lot...
...drive by...
...crossfire hits bystander...
...shoots another student in face...
...gang initiation...
...elementary school shooting was drive by...
...in Killadelphia charter school...
...at Widener University...
...gang turf war...
...Can't find any evidence that supposed "school shooting" at Grambling, LA on January 28, 2014 listed by Everytown even occurred... It was 04/15/13, 3 shot, something I found in seconds.
...self-defense...
...in parking lot...
...gang-related, accidentally...
...in parking lot...
...in parking lot...
So, The Blaze, Glenn Beck and Charles C. Johnson pretend not to understand "on school grounds...data isn’t limited to mass shootings" and Roland Deschain swallows the intentional deception whole like the gullible fool he is and always has been and parrots it to us as truth. In other words, our self-professed expert on guns doesn't even understand the word "shooting".
Yep, one more screw-up for Roland Deschain to run away from.
So touchy vrede (or just looking for an argument). I didn't mention "your link" directly now did I? At least you attempted to portray the information a little more accurately. I used the terminology being used by Everytown. Terminology that is an outright LIE designed to lead unthinking sheeple like you...apparently it succeeded. The fact that a gang member shot someone in a school parking lot at midnight or someone committed suicide does not make it a school shooting. Something that The Blaze, Glen Beck, Charles Johnson, The Daily Caller, College Fix, and Townhall, just to name a few, realize.
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O Really wrote:...Oh sure, if the parents hadn't provided the arsenal, an innovative 15 year old could get an AR-15 and a semi-auto on most any street corner, right? But he didn't - he brought it from home.
Interesting. I read the article in vrede's link and it does not mention an AR-15 anywhere. It simply says an "assault rifle". Why is the actual weapon not being named? Of course you automatically ASSUME an AR-15 but what was it really...was it in fact and AR-15, or maybe a Browning BAR, possibly a Remington 760. Once again a very generic term is being thrown about for sensationalism.
Lots of other articles state AR-15. Roland Deschain is actually whining because here because O Really isn't as lazy and stupid as Roland Deschain.
Again...citation required. That is what you would require of me, is it not. Why the hypocrisy when it is YOUR position that requires it????
Vrede wrote:What part of "Lots of other articles" is unclear to you? Roland Deschain actually has the immaturity to blame O Really's "leader", me, because the one article I happened to choose said "assault rifle" rather than specifying "AR-15". In other words, Roland Deschain's sole source of easily searched info. on a topic is . . . me. That is too, too funny.
It was an AR-15, this is easy to find, Roland Deschain questioned it and now, once again, he is too wussy to admit it.
Run away, Roland Deschain, run away.
So if anyone makes a statement refuting vrede a "citation" is immediately required. However, vrede is free to make statements at will without any form of supporting evidence. I'm just asking that you back your claim. Something that you require of EVERYONE that opposes you, hypocrite.
Roland Deschain wrote:So if anyone makes a statement refuting vrede (sic) a "citation" is immediately required. However, vrede (sic) is free to make statements at will without any form of supporting evidence. I'm just asking that you back your claim. Something that you require of EVERYONE that opposes you, hypocrite.
Well, it has been fun watching you sit and spin on your own laziness and stupidity for post after post over 2 pages but if you insist:
Roland Deschain wrote:So touchy vrede (or just looking for an argument). I didn't mention "your link" directly now did I?
Oh, you whiny, idiot child. I'm the only one that posted about the 74 school shootings since Newtown and you posted "74 School Shootings claim debunked" just 3 posts after mine.
You are???? Might want to check out page 104 post #3. You know THIS ONE
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Wait, what another one? Did I miss something?
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Oregon shooting: 'This is becoming the norm' -- but will anything change?
74 school shootings since Newton, when does this country wake up to the fact that the second amendment is an antiquated piece of shit that was not designed for modern society and weaponry and needs to be changed.......sadly not in my lifetime, let the senseless gun deaths continue. http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/11/us/school ... index.html
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At least you attempted to portray the information a little more accurately. I used the terminology being used by Everytown.
No you didn't. You used the terminology that a RWNJ gunhugger website told you Everytown used because they know how unthinking sheeple like you are and that you would be too stupid and lazy to check for yourself.
Data: Incidents were classified as school shootings when a firearm was discharged inside a school building or on school or campus grounds, as documented in publicly reported news accounts. This includes assaults, homicides, suicides, and accidental shootings...
Exactly as WaPo reported.
Terminology that is an outright LIE designed to lead unthinking sheeple like you...apparently it succeeded.
Show us the lie. Good luck.
Already have it is bold above...a gang member shooting someone in a school parking lot after midnight or someone committing suicide does not make it a "school shooting". I can drive my car down Charlotte Dragway...that doesn't make it a race
The fact that a gang member shot someone in a school parking lot at midnight or someone committed suicide does not make it a school shooting. Something that The Blaze, Glen Beck, Charles Johnson, The Daily Caller, College Fix, and Townhall, just to name a few, realize.
LOL! "inside a school building or on school or campus grounds" + "shooting" does = school shooting. It's not my problem if your RWNJ gunhugger website tries to redefine words and you're gullible enough to swallow it.
See above...and I'd suggest learning to think for yourself. A steady diet of kool-aid and lies is a bit uunhealthy
Run away, Roland Deschain, run away.
Keep believing the lies when truth is right in front of you. You love to crow about running away, when it is you who runs from truth. It is really no wonder this forum is dead except for very few like minded lemmings like you. When liars will continue to lie when truth stares them in the face actual discussion is impossible. Post on vrede...you're a lone voice screaming in the wilderness because any who would listen, long ago figured you for what you are, and tuned you out....
Lots of other articles state AR-15. Roland Deschain is actually whining because here because O Really isn't as lazy and stupid as Roland Deschain.