The homophobic thread :>

[Mr.B]

"BS. By your "reasoning":....yada, yada, yada..."
"Your perverse, deviant, hateful bigotry is so great that you'll invent anything to justify its imposition on others, no matter how silly."

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Opps! Cops have no religious freedom?


I suppose any of those scenarios you've invented could occur, but as far as we know, they haven't, and if they have, the news media didn't seem to be as interested in those as much as the story that would bring the most shock value. Gotta keep those Sodomites stirred up, you know...it's good for business.

"I refute and turn away from organized religion in general. I think it's bad medicine."

I, as well.....that's why I attend an independent, fundamental (fundicongelical to Boatrocker) church. We don't follow the leanings of any "associations". We're not Bible-thumpers, nor do we carry our Bibles on our shoulders, but we do believe that the Bible is God's holy inspired Word.

"....there are much older religious works than the Bible. Don't you sneer at, refute, and turn away from them?"

No, not really. Some are interesting reading, but I just find no use for them; I'm happy with what I have

[Boatrocker]

Cops, like soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines, VOLUNTARILY sign away some constitutional prerogatives for as long as they are in public service. Cops, like military people, do not get to pick and choose how they serve; they serve at the direction of those in charge and under the rules and regulations that govern their respective department.

[Mr.B]

"Your Bible says though (sic) shalt not be gay, it says nothing about interacting with gays."

Finally, you admit that the Bible declares homosexuality to be an abomination. Way to man up. Your next argument will be that Jesus said nothing about homosexuals; why should He? It's already been said by God. I suppose God is one of perverse, deviant, hateful bigotry? (I already know your reply)
The Bible writers though, said plenty; recognizing that an abomination is sin, and that sins can be absolved if one is willing to accept the fact that he/she is a sinner.

Again, I see Biblical prophecy being fulfilled.

Uhhhh....since you're so all knowing....

Ephesians 5:5-11

5 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

"It is voluntary but there is no constitutional prerogative at issue and it's nothing unique to cops. Mr.B works retail and if he told his boss that he would not serve some distinct group of people he would be correctly fired immediately, just as I would if I suddenly declared that I would not care for Christians or curmudgeons."

Serving a "distinct group of people" is one thing; being forced to mingle with those flaunting and taunting others with their ungodliness is another. Shoot, where I work, anything interfering with separating anyone from their almighty dollar is cause for dismissal. Anyone cursing you and treating you like garbage is acceptable, but don't you dare say anything back to them.... I just grin real big at 'em, ignore them, and walk off; that pizzes 'em off even more.

"You said that "the public's life and limb" made the difference and now you're running away from your own standard."

I'm not running away. I'm right here. My standards are still intact.

"It (the Bible) is generally considered as the top all time best seller, but it isn't on lists because of the controversy as to whether it should be classified as fiction or non-fiction"

Generally by those who would love to see all appearances of Godliness be eradicated. Again, I see fulfilling of Biblical Prophecy.

"Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,"

[rstrong]

Ephesians 5:5-11

Leading up to the American Civil War, verses from Ephesians ("Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters....") were among those used by Confederate slaveholders in support of slavery.

[rstrong]

I've accused Mr. B of cherry-picking Old Testament rules to support his phobias and prejudices, while ignoring the rules he finds inconvenient. He responded by stating that the Old Testament rules don't apply and weren't part of Christianity.

Here he is quoting Paul's Letter to the Ephesians, and previously Paul's Letter to the Corinthians, both from the New Testament, as the final say on morality. Fair enough.

These two documents also make it crystal clear that the New Testament approves slavery, that slaves should obey their masters. That Christians may not launch lawsuits against Christians. (That would include lawsuits by other Christians against Obama.) That women may not speak in church, and must wear head coverings.

And of course various Old Testament laws get an endorsement in other parts of the New Testament. For example killing children who speak evil of their mother or father, in Matthew 15. And beating slaves, in Luke 12:47.

So, Mr. B:

Can we assume that you have no moral opposition to slavery? And that you see nothing wrong with beating them as needed?

Can we assume that you approve of killing children for saying the wrong thing?

Can we assume that you don't allow women to speak in your church?

Can we assume that you believe that women not wearing their head coverings is also a perversion, an abomination, and will lead fulfillment of Biblical prophecies?

[Mr.B]

Your ignorance is overwhelming.

So you're saying that because Christians no longer practice slavery or kill their children, sin should be overlooked as well?

Paul said that slaves were to be treated "as brothers", whether they were or not, we don't know. There was a penalty for mistreatment, very much unlike the slavery here in America perpetuated by those who called themselves Christians, and used the Bible as the authority for owning slaves.

Women are allowed to speak in our church; they do not preach nor serve as deacons. Inasmuch as the man is supposed to be the head of the household, the man is to be head of the church. In a household of two men or two women, who is the head of the household? It is Biblically referred to as "confusion".

My wife and I make decisions equally, I respect her opinions, she respects mine; however, I am the head of my household, and it's MY job to provide support, safety, and the sanctity of same.

"The God you choose to worship is indeed one of perverse, deviant, hateful bigotry."

The "God I choose to serve...?" There are many 'gods', only one God; the one the Bible describes as the Creator. I personally know no other god, so I don't know which one you're describing as "one of perverse, deviant, hateful bigotry".

"Bye for now, I'm going to go watch a bunch of good looking men in shorts flaunt...."

Better you than me; don't forget your tutu and lipstick......

[rstrong]

Your ignorance is overwhelming.

Fair enough, in that I'm asking YOU a question.

So you're saying that because Christians no longer practice slavery or kill their children, sin should be overlooked as well?

Slavery or killing your children isn't a sin? As your guide to morality indicates? At least you're consistent. So far....

Paul said that slaves were to be treated "as brothers", whether they were or not, we don't know.

And you call me ignorant? You honestly believe that slaves were treated "as brothers?" If you have a brother, he should feel very insulted right now.

Women are allowed to speak in our church;

There you go, cherry-picking the rules that match your phobias, prejudices and hatreds, and ignoring the ones you don't like. Paul was crystal clear about women speaking in church:

1 Corinthians 14: 34-35 - "Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."

That's as unambiguous and authoritative a directive as any in either testament regarding gays. There are churches in the US which don't claim to know better than Paul; a Baptist Church in Arizona was mentioned in the Religion thread.

Inasmuch as the man is supposed to be the head of the household, the man is to be head of the church. In a household of two men or two women, who is the head of the household? It is Biblically referred to as "confusion".

My wife and I make decisions equally, I respect her opinions, she respects mine; however, I am the head of my household, and it's MY job to provide support, safety, and the sanctity of same.

My dog often wanted to leave the yard or get up on the couch. I respected its opinion, often took it for walks, but didn't let it on the couch. I was the head of the household.

That's a good philosophy for dealing with pets, but horrific when dealing with another adult. If you love someone you treat them as an equal, not as an inferior. And make no mistake, "I alone have the final say" is treating the other adult as an inferior.

Saying in effect "you wouldn't know which one is the inferior" is a pretty sleazy justification for denying rights to others. But not a surprise from you.

At least you answered my questions. You don't think that slavery is a sin. You even justify it with "but slaves are treated as brothers!" Killing children for saying the wrong thing isn't a sin either.

But women speaking in church? You know better than Paul on that one. You cherry-pick the rules that match your phobias, prejudices and hatreds, and ignore the ones you don't like.

[JTA]

My wife and I make decisions equally, I respect her opinions, she respects mine; however, I am the head of my household, and it's MY job to provide support, safety, and the sanctity of same.

My dog often wanted to leave the yard or get up on the couch. I respected its opinion, often took it for walks, but didn't let it on the couch. I was the head of the household.

That's a good philosophy for dealing with pets, but horrific when dealing with another adult. If you love someone you treat them as an equal, not as an inferior. And make no mistake, "I alone have the final say" is treating the other adult as an inferior.

Saying in effect "you wouldn't know which one is the inferior" is a pretty sleazy justification for denying rights to others. But not a surprise from you.

Different folks, different strokes man.

I don't know Mr. B in person, but judging from his internet character I don't think Mr.B treats his wife like dirt just because he considers himself the head of household. Sometimes shit just kind of pans out a certain way. My household is probably similar to Mr. B's. in the sense that I'm also the "de-facto" head of household. I say defacto because it's not like I sat down and said "I am the master of this house. My word is final. All shall obey me or suffer my bud-light induced wrath.", no sir, I'd be out sleeping in my tent in a parking garage neutered with a broken nose probably. Nope, It just kinda happened that way. I think in a lot of households or any kind of organization you're inevitably going to have someone who is better at certain things than others. I just so happen to be better at making budgets and stuff and get enjoyment out of doing so while my wife doesn't. Everything is equal in the sense that we consult each other and make decisions based on compromise. Some things are non-negotioable, though, like for instance my lady won't let me cut my mane and won't let me shave my beard. Non-negotiable. So if I'm the defacto head of household she's the defacto head of JTA. So does that make her the head of household in actuality? Who is truly pulling the strings here? Shit! Relationships are f*-ing weird sometimes.

[bannination]

Your ignorance is overwhelming.

So you're saying that because Christians no longer practice slavery or kill their children, sin should be overlooked as well?

Paul said that slaves were to be treated "as brothers", whether they were or not, we don't know. There was a penalty for mistreatment, very much unlike the slavery here in America perpetuated by those who called themselves Christians, and used the Bible as the authority for owning slaves.

Women are allowed to speak in our church; they do not preach nor serve as deacons. Inasmuch as the man is supposed to be the head of the household, the man is to be head of the church. In a household of two men or two women, who is the head of the household? It is Biblically referred to as "confusion".

My wife and I make decisions equally, I respect her opinions, she respects mine; however, I am the head of my household, and it's MY job to provide support, safety, and the sanctity of same.

Even the bible speaks about more than one God. I mean heck, if your "one" god is actually three gods. It's too bad you don't read some of the earlier writings, they stole a lot of good stories from them to make the bible.

The wife and I just wing it, and follow each others strengths, but glad you've got some organization going.

[Mr.B]

"Looks like Mr.B worships a God of false witness and cowardice, too."

Flattery will get you no where. At least I don't worship a rainbow goat.

"You cherry-pick the rules that match your phobias, prejudices and hatreds, and ignore the ones you don't like."

Like you cherry-pick the portions of the Bible that match your hatred, and ignore the reasoning behind them?

"Run away from by Mr.B:..."

Hard to argue with one with a child's mentality.

[Mr.B]

GOP Senator Collins says she supports gay marriage

"...Collins joins three other GOP senators who have said they support gay marriage: Illinois' Mark Kirk, Alaska's Lisa Murkowski and Ohio's Rob Portman..."

Yep, you can tell when it's election time.....either support "gay" issues or change your name......

Politicians are sure using desperate measures these days.....

[rstrong]

Translation: The days are disappearing where you had to either support religion-based bigotry and hatred or change your name.

Hatemongers are sure making desperate claims these days.....

[Mr.B]

"She has twice voted against proposed constitutional amendments to define marriage as between a man and a woman.
It's the third time Collins won the endorsement of the Human Rights Campaign (6 and 12! years ago)..."
"If Roman Catholic Susan Collins is merely following her conscience and choosing tolerance and equality......"

So...what's the big whoopee-doo over the bold, enlarged, nothing new, headline you posted? Republicans are just as lame-brained as Democrats.
The only conscience she's following is the "gay" vote that will keep her in office.
It worked for Obama too, you know, and now, other politicians are getting on the bandwagon; that popularity thingy, you know..... 0:-?>

"...You are the one that wants to maintain it as fornication rather than sex within marriage. Fornication doesn't bother me but why are you insisting on it?"

Because God blessed a union between a man and a woman....you know, that "not Adam and Steve" thingy?

"My dog often wanted to leave the yard or get up on the couch. I respected its opinion, often took it for walks, but didn't let it on the couch. I was the head of the household."

Was...? It sounds as though your dog is really the head of the household.

"Your perverse, deviant, hateful bigotry is so great......."

You and I have a lot in common, don't we? My "perverse, deviant, hateful bigotry" compares to your "perverse, deviant, hateful bigotry" of Christians and anyone else who views homosexuality as deviant and un-natural behavior, don't it?

[bannination]

I wonder why Jesus always hung around 12 men............................ ewwwwwww

[rstrong]

"You cherry-pick the rules that match your phobias, prejudices and hatreds, and ignore the ones you don't like."

Like you cherry-pick the portions of the Bible that match your hatred, and ignore the reasoning behind them?

I'm not the one declaring that the Bible is the authority on morality. I can recognize that it has some good advice - as does the holy books from other religions - while recognizing that much of it should be rejected.

You on the other hand declare the New Testament to be the authority on morality, and call those who don't follow some of it's rules sinners, perverts and worse. And yet you chose to ignore some of its rules.

You're a hypocrite, but admittedly you have surprised me. I never would have expected you to admit support for slavery, defending it with a claim that Christians treat their slaves as brothers. While at the same time STILL cherry-picking biblical rules to match your prejudices, and ignoring others.

[Mr.B]

"I wonder why Jesus always hung around 12 men............................ ewwwwwww"

So by your insinuating that Christ was a homosexual, you concur with me that homosexuality is disgusting? One attaboy award for you.

[indago]

Journalist Vanessa Gera wrote for The Associated Press 28 June 2014:
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President Barack Obama's administration has taken the U.S. gay rights revolution global, using American embassies across the world as outposts in a struggle that still hasn't been won at home. Sometimes U.S. advice and encouragement is condemned as unacceptable meddling. And sometimes it can seem to backfire, increasing the pressure on those it is meant to help. With gay pride parades taking place in many cities across the world this weekend, the U.S. role will be more visible than ever. Diplomats will take part in parades and some embassies will fly the rainbow flag along with the Stars and Stripes.
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Little wonder, then, that they hate us and want to drive us out of their countries.

[Mr.B]

Journalist Vanessa Gera wrote for The Associated Press 28 June 2014:
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President Barack Obama's administration has taken the U.S. gay rights revolution global, using American embassies across the world as outposts in a struggle that still hasn't been won at home. Sometimes U.S. advice and encouragement is condemned as unacceptable meddling. And sometimes it can seem to backfire, increasing the pressure on those it is meant to help. With gay pride parades taking place in many cities across the world this weekend, the U.S. role will be more visible than ever. Diplomats will take part in parades and some embassies will fly the rainbow flag along with the Stars and Stripes.
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"Little wonder, then, that they hate us and want to drive us out of their countries."

It appears that the U.S. wants to be the world leader in perversion....Perversion on Parade..

[O Really]

One doesn't have to "side with Muslim fundies" to understand that the arrogant US expects things from other countries that it wouldn't put up with from outsiders here.

[Mr.B]

"Adam's rib, Adam's DNA - it was Adam and Steve according to your fairy tale."
Confused much? You reference Biblical scripture from one side of your mouth, then call it a fairy tale from the other side.

"No, I'm fine with sad bigots like you being able to get married and enjoying all the other benefits of equal treatment under law and policy. That's a huge difference.
Bear false witness much? Why are you such a sinful liar and, if that's your lifestyle choice, why do you suck so bad at it?

Yes, I hate your gay-obsessed prejudice, just as I and decent society hate racism and your Mrs.B-diminishing sexism. Deal with it, pitiful bigotry like yours and blasphemously claiming God's endorsement for it has always merited our hate and always will.
Deal with it. It won't kill you....(I don't think)

Sexual perversion and the love for it will always be an arguing point, and it is fact that "decent society" frowns on it; regardless what they say in public.

Pitiful cries for tolerance, and accusations of bigotry based on religious beliefs to the point of blaspheming God's name, are moot. Homosexuals have always hated straights because straights viewed them as deviants. Homosexuals have always frowned on God because God's Word condemns homosexuality; plain and simple, no matter how much you try to sugar-coat it or attempt to cherry-pick the scriptures to suit your particular ideas. Deal with it, life's a real bi*ch, ain't it?