rstrong wrote:"I have a life. You wouldn't understand."
Huh. The hatemonger also has stalker tendencies.Mr.B wrote:There's six Walmarts in your area;
Secular children were more likely than religious children to judge the protagonist in such fantastical stories to be fictional. The results suggest that exposure to religious ideas has a powerful impact on children's differentiation between reality and fiction, not just for religious stories but also for fantastical stories.
Vrede wrote:"Mr.B, I get that you're a bigot and that you cherry pick religion to rationalize your obsession with gay-sex, just as you are necessarily arguing for the religious "right" to discriminate against blacks in retail goods and services."
Where in sam hill did you dig that notion up?
"However, I don't understand why you're so cowardly as to continually lie about it. I don't ever post about gay-sex, that's all you (and homerfobe - peas in a pod).
For example:Obsessed, you just can't keep yourself from imagining it vividly".Mr.B wrote:...perverse, un-natural (sic) act...perverse, un-natural (sic) act...
So calling perverse sexual acts is a "vivid imagination"....? If you want to be tuned on by "vivid" descriptions of gay-sex, go back and re-read Homerfobe's posts....now that's "vivid".....don't accuse me of "imagining it vividly".
"Are you retracting your earlier support for bans on gay marriage? Please answer clearly and directly rather than running away from this straightforward question."Mr.B wrote:...Now....if they want to marry, that's their business, not mine...
Honestly, I don't recall speaking against "gay" marriage in itself, just the sin of homosexuality. However, if I did say anything against it, I'm sure your excellent record keeping skills will produce my remarks.
rstrong wrote:
Key words: "were more likely"....not always.rstrong wrote: Researchers: Children exposed to religion have difficulty distinguishing fact from fiction
Secular children were more likely than religious children to judge the protagonist in such fantastical stories to be fictional. The results suggest that exposure to religious ideas has a powerful impact on children's differentiation between reality and fiction, not just for religious stories but also for fantastical stories.
So you have a life......So tell me something rstrong. What compels, drives, or possesses someone in another country such as yourself, who has no links to anyone here in this area or the politics of this country, to post in a rag-tag small-town forum such as this, and spew your anti-religious, anti-conservative bile at anyone who disagrees with you? Are you bored at home? Are you bored with your job? Do you not have forums in your city/area that can satisfy your incessant ranting? Maybe you've been banned from forums in your area?rstrong wrote: "I have a life. You wouldn't understand.........I tend to be rather libertarian."
Key words: "were more likely"....not "equally."Mr.B wrote:Key words: "were more likely"....not always.
Actually, crime rates are higher among the religious.Mr.B wrote:Also, crime among secular children is on the rise due to not having any exposure to religion or respect for others.
The non-religious make up about 15% of the US population. Meanwhile they make up only 0.209% of the prison population."In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy and abortion in the prosperous democracies."
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"There is evidence that within the U.S. strong disparities in religious belief versus acceptance of evolution are correlated with similarly varying rates of societal dysfunction, the strongly theistic, anti-evolution south and mid-west having markedly worse homicide, mortality, STD, youth pregnancy, marital and related problems than the northeast where societal conditions, secularization, and acceptance of evolution approach European norms (Aral and Holmes; Beeghley, Doyle, 2002)."
In "The New Criminology", Max D. Schlapp and Edward E. Smith say that two generations of statisticians found that the ratio of convicts without religious training is about 1/10 of 1%. W. T. Root, professor of psychology at the Univ. of Pittsburgh, examined 1,916 prisoners and said "Indifference to religion, due to thought, strengthens character," adding that Unitarians, Agnostics, Atheists and Free-Thinkers are absent from penitentiariers or nearly so.
Nice example you set. You're bigoted hatemonger, and you scapegoat Biblical teachings for it.Mr.B wrote:He/she may not wish to follow Biblical teachings, but he/she will not forget what they were taught.
Vrede wrote: "That whine again?...... Yes, it's true some pretty dumb and completely unaccountable posters left the "overheated kitchen"...... The far bigger factor is that we have no mechanism for recruiting new members.
People worldwide have seen this forum, some have joined, only to post once or twice, then never return....wonder why that is? Reckon it could be they discovered this forum is dominated by BULLIES??"The far bigger factor is that WE have no mechanism for recruiting new members."
That's right, I said BULLIES! JTA wrote:"You're going to find mud-slinging on any non-niche internet forum where things like politics and religion are discussed."
True that. Look at the number of posts made by own Forum Bullies as well as some of the comments made by same. The bullying is directed at anyone who disagrees with the two bully's opinions; even the one's on the Bully's "side". Both are atheists, and view religious beliefs and opinions as "bigotry" and "hate" citing centuries-old occurrences to justify their claims. Rather than just disagree, you're labeled as ignorant and stupid. You yourself have stated your non-religious state, but I have yet to see where you ran anyone into the ground with your opinions; you are decent about it.
"This is why I try to avoid political discussions on the internet."
I avoid politics as well. Numerous times I have stated my Biblical beliefs on God's stance on homosexuality; the bullies turn that into a name-calling fest. I have never said I hate a homosexual.
"So, at the end of the day on the internet, that's why I like to just try to talk fishing. There's no lying in that. Like that time I caught that 30 pound bass from the bird bath in my backyard."
You bested me; mine only weighed 12 pounds!
That's because there's not that many "anybody's" here anymore. I would have thought that Banni's goal would be to welcome new members, not have some ego-junkie run off the members he had.O Really wrote: "....... but I don't see him beating on anybody not willing to play."
I've merely haven't let your bigotry and hatred go unchallenged here.Mr.B wrote:You and rstrong are nothing more than a faceless bully hiding behind your keyboard,
I suspect that you and I learn different lessons from Pastor Niemöller. You would admire him for not bullying, not speaking out. I admire him for voicing the dangers of not speaking out.First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
My, my, my! The bully sure knows how to dole out the kind, flattering, adjectives....yet deny he is a bully. K---B[b][color=#000080]The Forum Bully[/color][/b] wrote:"your whole shameful participation.....Your repeated advocacy.....Your lying denials.....Your obsession.....Your denials of your obsession.....pathetically trying to convince yourself.....Your running away from your lies.....He just uses the Bible when convenient to support his own bigotry.....You just pull things out of your butt (Vrede's obsession).....That lie again?.....your hateful, bigoted....your repeated whiny lies.....more ignorant and stupid than your faith, cowardly too.....It's ignorant and stupid of you.....just dishonest of you.....you're a whiny old fart.....If you don't like it use PM.....Why are you such a sinful liar.....why do you suck so bad at it.....your lifetime of bigotry and deception.....getting caught being a lying bigot.....when you lie about my posts .....Can't you pick a better role model.....You're the hateful bigot.....advocates legal and institutional bigotry.....pathetic bullies like you.....the biggest crybabies and victims.....thoughtfulness is not your strong suit.....while inventing blame.....I get that you're a bigot.....you cherry pick religion.....to rationalize your obsession.....arguing for the religious "right" to discriminate.....you're stupid in your bigotry.....your ideal "religious" world.....Your utter cowardice.....your bigoted mouth.....religious discrimination.....if you had the cajones.....diverting with childish poop obsession.....you're so cowardly.....Obsessed.....your cowardly choice..... feign ignorance.....sleazy false witness.....you're so obsessed with "gay" sex.....I knew you would run away.....your lying claims.....doesn't really care about sin at all.....He just uses the Bible when convenient to support his own bigotry....."
Man is a sadistic creature isn't he?rstrong wrote:Key words: "were more likely"....not "equally."Mr.B wrote:Key words: "were more likely"....not always.
Actually, crime rates are higher among the religious.Mr.B wrote:Also, crime among secular children is on the rise due to not having any exposure to religion or respect for others.
Originally from the Sunday Times; the text can be found here.)The non-religious make up about 15% of the US population. Meanwhile they make up only 0.209% of the prison population."In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy and abortion in the prosperous democracies."
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"There is evidence that within the U.S. strong disparities in religious belief versus acceptance of evolution are correlated with similarly varying rates of societal dysfunction, the strongly theistic, anti-evolution south and mid-west having markedly worse homicide, mortality, STD, youth pregnancy, marital and related problems than the northeast where societal conditions, secularization, and acceptance of evolution approach European norms (Aral and Holmes; Beeghley, Doyle, 2002)."
In "The New Criminology", Max D. Schlapp and Edward E. Smith say that two generations of statisticians found that the ratio of convicts without religious training is about 1/10 of 1%. W. T. Root, professor of psychology at the Univ. of Pittsburgh, examined 1,916 prisoners and said "Indifference to religion, due to thought, strengthens character," adding that Unitarians, Agnostics, Atheists and Free-Thinkers are absent from penitentiariers or nearly so.
Getting back to your claim, "Also, crime among secular children is on the rise due to not having any exposure to religion or respect for others."
The reality is that America has its lowest violent crime ever. Hard drug use is down. Infant mortality is down. Abortion rates have been dropping for thirty years. Divorce rates have been declining for 20+ years after stabilizing in the 80s.
A better wording of your claim is, "Also, crime among secular children is lower due to not having any exposure to religion, and instead being taught respect for others."
Nice example you set. You're bigoted hatemonger, and you scapegoat Biblical teachings for it.Mr.B wrote:He/she may not wish to follow Biblical teachings, but he/she will not forget what they were taught.
Not that you're alone:
150 years ago Biblical teachings were commonly used to justify slavery and racism. 50 years ago, they were commonly used to support racism and deny civil rights.
A hundred years ago it was perfectly normal for Christian countries to invade and occupy the rest of the world - and yes, "spreading Christianity" was a major justification - and even commit genocide against those who disagreed.
150 years ago Pope Pius IX fully supported and assisted kidnapping Jewish children so that they could be raised as Christians. In fact even the modern church still supports Pius IX's decision.
In the last century the Christian world had WWI, WWII, the holocaust and the nuking of two cities - with clerics and padres on BOTH the German and Allied sides assuring their respective troops that God thought it was peachy-keen.
Anti-Semitic Romanian Orthodox fascist movements in Romania, such as the Iron Guard and Lancieri, were responsible for involvement in the Holocaust, Bucharest pogrom, and political murders during the 1930s
Nothing in the Islamic world compares to the holocaust - the deliberate targeting of one religion by a great many Christians from France to the Ukraine.
In Europe there were pogroms by Christians against the Jews even *after* WWII. Meanwhile the British government bombed five ships and attacked another as part of a campaign to discourage post-war Jewish refugees from sailing to then British-controlled Palestine.
And yes, there's Christians in the middle-east too: The Sabra and Shatila refugee camp massacre by Christian Lebanese forces happened a couple decades ago.
Here in Canada there's The Sons of Freedom, a sect of Doukhobor anarchists, who have protested nude, blown up power pylons, railroad bridges, and set fire to homes.
Currently in India there's the National Liberation Front of Tripura. Crimes include forcible conversion of tribal cadres/civilians to Christianity.
In Uganda the Lord's Resistance Army, a guerrilla army engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government, has been accused of using child soldiers and committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, porters and sex slaves. It's led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself the spokesperson of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the Christian Holy Spirit. LRA fighters wear rosary beads and recite passages from the Bible before battle.
When Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire, pagan temples were destroyed and their priests murdered.
By the 6th century, thousands of pagans were murdered by Christians simply because they were pagan.
Pagans participating in services became an executable offense.
Christian Emperor Theodosius even had children executed because they were caught playing with the remains of pagan statues.
Charlemagne had 4500 Saxons beheaded because they refused to convert to Christianity.
During the Crusades hundreds of thousands of people were murdered by Christians (the figure is probably closer to a million+).
During the Spanish Inquisition between 5000 and 6000 Protestants were drowned by Catholics
In the 5th and 6th centuries, Jewish synagogues were destroyed killing those inside.
The Bishop of Limoges in France had the Jewish people within the city executed because they would not convert to Christianity.
Christopher Columbus planted a cross on every island he set foot on claiming it for his Catholic patrons and went on to declare he would 'enter their country, make war on them and subject them to obedience to the church and would take whatever means necessary against the native peoples if they refused'. He and his men were responsible for hundreds of thousands of executions in the most horrible ways you can imagine, totally wiping some Native American tribes out.
New England Puritan Christians in Massachusetts who were refugees of persecution in England, committed genocide in what is known as the Pequot Wars.
In 1942-1943 there were concentration camps in Croatia run by Catholics where orthodox christian Serbians were murdered by being burned in kilns alive (at least the Nazis gassed them first and they were not burned alive).
There's your Christian teachings.
Glad I'm not a Catholic; you know.....having to live with all that centuries-old guilt and all.JTA wrote: "Man is a sadistic creature isn't he?"
I'm almost finished reading a book about the Russian revolution. Last month I read a book about the French revolution. In both cases there were some pretty grotesque crimes carried out in the name of abstractions like "the People" or "the Patrie". People were intoxicated with these abstractions and used them to justify sadistic criminal acts. Rapes, murders, torture, etc., all in the name of "The People", or "The Patrie".Mr.B wrote:Glad I'm not a Catholic; you know.....having to live with all that centuries-old guilt and all.JTA wrote: "Man is a sadistic creature isn't he?"
Wonder where our friend 'mike' is..? He's a Catholic.
Whaaaat!?Mr.B wrote: You bested me; mine only weighed 12 pounds!