The LEO thread

[Mr.B]

"You really expect "outrage" from the Black community because this guy was caught?"
Of course not. Had he been White, committing a crime against a Black, was my point.

"Pandemonium and flames" have generally occurred.......anytime a White commits a crime against a Black. It's called 'racism and hatred'.
Since it was a Black that committed the crime, it's a 'ho-hum' situation, but Whites aren't allowed to say that.

[O Really]

"You really expect "outrage" from the Black community because this guy was caught?"
Of course not. Had he been White, committing a crime against a Black, was my point.

"Pandemonium and flames" have generally occurred.......anytime a White commits a crime against a Black. It's called 'racism and hatred'.
Since it was a Black that committed the crime, it's a 'ho-hum' situation, but Whites aren't allowed to say that.

I don't think you can substantiate either of those statements. Not that there isn't such a thing as "racism and hatred" but it usually only turns into uproar when it's white law enforcement hammering on black maybe-not-guilties. There may be some, but I can't think of one instance in which there was major uproar just because the (civilian) perp happened to be white.

[Mr.B]

".....it usually only turns into uproar when it's white law enforcement hammering on black maybe-not-guilties."

It's not only 'white law enforcement'. Cops are human and make mistakes just as anyone else does; not meaning to discount the "I'm the law" mentality.

Anytime a cop, of any race, shoots a Black. it's deemed by the media and Black community to be a case of "racial profiling".
When a cop shoots a White, even a "maybe not guilty", it's a small news item, and is quickly pushed aside.

Shoot a Black, justified or non-justified, all hell breaks loose.

[indago]

From Associated Press 9 November 2014:
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A New York sheriff's deputy has been suspended after a video captured him cursing and apparently slapping a young man after the man refused to let the officer search his vehicle. ...Sgt. Shawn Glans was suspended Saturday over the encounter Friday in Halfmoon.
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[indago]

I don't know what it will take before the people get tired of being slapped around by a No. 42 Jacket & No. 2 Hat Cop


Reminds me of this No. 42 Jacket & No. 2 Hat Cop:

[indago]

From The Associated Press 10 November 2014:
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A New York sheriff's deputy has been charged with harassment and official misconduct after a video posted on YouTube showed him cursing and apparently slapping a young man who had refused to let him search his car. ...a deputy who was with Glans on Friday is under internal investigation.
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[Mr.B]

"Lie.....Lie.....Still lying......"

Naturally I'm lying......you're the only one around here with all the facts...the truth, the whole truth, and anything but the truth....opps!

[O Really]

FBI (Hoover's) behaving badly... http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2009368

[O Really]

Prisons are inherently brutal places, and I for one oppose incarceration for non-violent crimes where there are reasonable alternatives. However, I'm not totally convinced that being kept in solitary is worse than bunking with Bad Bubba and his gang.

[O Really]

You're disagreeing with the 100+ years of scientists and prison experts cited in the article, then.

No, I have no doubt solitary confinement can literally drive one crazy. I'm just expressing a personal preference.

[O Really]

I'm shocked! Shocked I say. Who would have thought they'd have turned Wilson loose?

[JTA]

Crazy footage from the riots:

https://vine.co/u/1133103376138412032

[rstrong]

I'm shocked! Shocked I say. Who would have thought they'd have turned Wilson loose?

I'm only surprised about how blatantly obvious they were about rigging the grand jury in Wilson's favor.

Techdirt: The Ferguson Grand Jury Decision Proves 'The System' Still 'Works'

To give an idea of how rare NOT being indicted is:

According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010, the most recent year for which we have data. Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them.
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...a grand jury in North Carolina showed the system is capable of racking up indictments at breakneck speed. During a single four-hour workday last week, a Mecklenburg County grand jury heard 276 cases and handed down 276 indictments. That means the 18 jurors heard evidence, asked questions, weighed whether the charges merit a trial, then voted on the indictments – all at the average rate of one case every 52 seconds.

Perhaps there's an explanation....

But the length of the process wasn't the only oddity. There was also the behavior of prosecutor Robert McCullough.
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A prosecutor not recommending any particular charge is an oddity. Not only that, but McCulloch advised the grand jury that any doubt it held meant it must find in favor of Officer Wilson. That's something prosecutors seeking indictments never do. Prosecutors prosecute. Indictments are why they exist. Without these, they can't move forward on capital crimes. And yet, McCulloch apparently felt the non-adversarial setting wasn't predisposed enough in Wilson's favor. In this setting, McCulloch acted more as Wilson's defense attorney than the jurisdiction's prosecutor.

McCullough knows who's guilty though:

Techdirt: Prosecutor Lays The Blame For The Ferguson Debacle At The Feet Of 'Social Media'

It's little surprise McCulloch has no affection for social media, especially when it's being used to highlight his inaccuracies.

What a sleaze.

[rstrong]

Another interesting fact from this case:

In Ferguson, whenever an officer is involved in a shooting, the default position is "always" that it was an "assault on law enforcement" and the officer is therefore listed as the "victim":

So much for the investigator keeping an open mind.

[indago]

Michael Brown had just come from a store where he took a handful of Swisher cigars without paying for them, and forcefully intimidated the store clerk when he called him on it, and he probably thought he could browbeat, and push around the cops also.

[neoplacebo]

Michael Brown had just come from a store where he took a handful of Swisher cigars without paying for them, and forcefully intimidated the store clerk when he called him on it, and he probably thought he could browbeat, and push around the cops also.

I doubt it; if I had just committed shoplifting I would seriously avoid any sort of interaction with the cops. On the other hand, if I had just robbed a bank and killed several folks in the process, I would figure I don't have anything to lose in a confrontation with cops. Brown falls into the first category.

[indago]

Cops "feared for their lives", threatened by banana. Arrested banana holder.

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[indago]

Speaking of FRUITVALE...

FRUITVALE STATION

[neoplacebo]

In all the time I spent in the Bay Area I can proudly say I was never in Fruitvale. But the best pizza I ever had was in Vallejo, or maybe it was Martinez.

[indago]

From The Associated Press 26 November 2014:
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Some witnesses said Michael Brown had been shot in the back. Another said he was face-down on the ground when Officer Darren Wilson "finished him off." Still others acknowledged changing their stories to fit published details about the autopsy or admitted that they did not see the shooting at all.

An Associated Press review of thousands of pages of grand jury documents reveals numerous examples of statements made during the shooting investigation that were inconsistent, fabricated or provably wrong. For one, the autopsies ultimately showed Brown was not struck by any bullets in his back.

Prosecutors exposed these inconsistencies before the jurors, which likely influenced their decision not to indict Wilson in Brown's death.

Bob McCulloch, the St. Louis County prosecutor, said the grand jury had to weigh testimony that conflicted with physical evidence and conflicting statements by witnesses as it decided whether Wilson should face charges.

"Many witnesses to the shooting of Michael Brown made statements inconsistent with other statements they made and also conflicting with the physical evidence. Some were completely refuted by the physical evidence," McCulloch said.

...Another man, describing himself as a friend of Brown's, told a federal investigator that he heard the first gunshot, looked out his window and saw an officer with a gun drawn and Brown "on his knees with his hands in the air." He added: "I seen him shoot him in the head."

But when later pressed by the investigator, the friend said he had not seen the actual shooting because he was walking down the stairs at the time and instead had heard details from someone in the apartment complex.

"What you are saying you saw isn't forensically possible based on the evidence," the investigator told the friend.

Shortly after that, the friend asked if he could leave.

"I ain't feeling comfortable," he said.
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So many lies by "witnesses", little wonder, then, the decision was to not prosecute Wilson.