The LEO thread

[O Really]

Gun legislation should be more in the land of practicality than in the land of partisan politics. Here's the practical viewpoint from somebody who has bothered to take some pretty good firearm self/home defense training. A firearm is an easy to use lethal weapon. A baton, knife, brick, or hands can be lethal too, but not nearly as easily. I took one course on use of a cane as a defense weapon. Sometimes I take a cane along on a plane trip. It's the only decent weapon you can legally and easily get on to a plane and it gets you seated earlier, too. But none of those can kill as easily as a firearm. So if I'm carrying a firearm, my mental state is that the firearm is my protection. I don't have to try to have a fist fight, a knife fight, or look for something that can be converted into a weapon. I can just shoot the bastard attacking (or insulting or cutting in front of me) Now suppose I'm not such a good guy. Carrying the firearm will help me feel like the baddest dude in the valley. Just like the former poster nascar who went armed to shop at his local mom 'n pops. Nobody going to mess with me. So if I have a couple too many Bud Lights and somebody gets too close to my 'ho - uhhh lady - they gonna get shot. If I don't have the firearm, I have to consider other alternatives. I'll use whatever I have, whether it's pepper spray, zapper, shirt-over-the-head hockey move, or beer bottle. But nobody is likely to get killed unless one of us has a firearm. Without doubt, more firearms make life more dangerous for innocents, bad guys, cops, and - as has been demonstrated - dogs and bears.

[neoplacebo]

Gun legislation should be more in the land of practicality than in the land of partisan politics. Here's the practical viewpoint from somebody who has bothered to take some pretty good firearm self/home defense training. A firearm is an easy to use lethal weapon. A baton, knife, brick, or hands can be lethal too, but not nearly as easily. I took one course on use of a cane as a defense weapon. Sometimes I take a cane along on a plane trip. It's the only decent weapon you can legally and easily get on to a plane and it gets you seated earlier, too. But none of those can kill as easily as a firearm. So if I'm carrying a firearm, my mental state is that the firearm is my protection. I don't have to try to have a fist fight, a knife fight, or look for something that can be converted into a weapon. I can just shoot the bastard attacking (or insulting or cutting in front of me) Now suppose I'm not such a good guy. Carrying the firearm will help me feel like the baddest dude in the valley. Just like the former poster nascar who went armed to shop at his local mom 'n pops. Nobody going to mess with me. So if I have a couple too many Bud Lights and somebody gets too close to my 'ho - uhhh lady - they gonna get shot. If I don't have the firearm, I have to consider other alternatives. I'll use whatever I have, whether it's pepper spray, zapper, shirt-over-the-head hockey move, or beer bottle. But nobody is likely to get killed unless one of us has a firearm. Without doubt, more firearms make life more dangerous for innocents, bad guys, cops, and - as has been demonstrated - dogs and bears.

I agree; there's just nothing like the safety and if needed the brandishing of a .44 but some folks just should not be armed. I read a story today about a 20 something year old mother who was shot and killed by her 2 year old who grabbed her gun from her purse and shot her dead in Wal Mart. Another opps situation, as the authorities plan to not file any charges.......against anyone.

[Mr.B]

"I read a story today about a 20 something year old mother who was shot and killed by her 2 year old who grabbed her gun from her purse and shot her dead in Wal Mart. Another opps situation, as the authorities plan to not file any charges.......against anyone."

Vrede's gonna be handing you your ass on a platter...he has exclusive claims to posting that already. See 'Gun Legislation' thread, posted at 5:25 pm. <R.I.P.>

[neoplacebo]

"I read a story today about a 20 something year old mother who was shot and killed by her 2 year old who grabbed her gun from her purse and shot her dead in Wal Mart. Another opps situation, as the authorities plan to not file any charges.......against anyone."

Vrede's gonna be handing you your ass on a platter...he has exclusive claims to posting that already. See 'Gun Legislation' thread, posted at 5:25 pm. <R.I.P.>

I confess to not seeing his post in gun legislation; opps. I tend to jump in here on random whims when something makes me think WTF. I will check it now and hold onto my ass.

[Mr.B]

"As usual, Mr.B throws a whiny tantrum and runs away when he screws up, even about universally understood truths like guns being the more deadly personal weapons. Something broke in him long ago that having a factual error of his corrected is always occasion for a hissy fit and never one for admission of error. Maybe he'll grow up to be a man someday."

"Vrede's gonna be handing you your ass on a platter..."

"Whining and fantasizing stupidly about me, again."

You poor widdle victim. I'm sorry I fantasized about you handling neo's ass. I won't do it no any more, I pwomise.

Where did you read that I said guns weren't more deadly weapons?
As usual, Vrede throws a whiny tantrum and twists words when his all-knowing attitude screws up, and wants everyone to admit they're wrong and he's right. boo-hoo

[Mr.B]

...Where did you read that I said guns weren't more deadly weapons?

Wouldn't make any difference what weapon was involved ...

As usual, Mr.B screws up, denies his screw up because his ego is too, too delicate to ever admit error, lies in claiming anything was twisted, blames me for noticing his screw up, fantasizes that I'm upset rather than enjoying every minute of it, entirely ignores that O Really and neoplacebo also noticed his screw up and throws a whiny tantrum about the whole thing. Boo-hoo.

Let's complete that quote: "Wouldn't make any difference what weapon was involved; they're still deadly weapons. Guns only make it easier for the perp to be less likely harmed because he's standing back at a distance; either from his victim or the police."

As usual, Vrede twists the words to suit his delicate ego. Poor little victim. Make me wanna cry just listening to his whining.

[Mr.B]

"As usual, ______ screws up, denies his screw up because his ego is too, too delicate to ever admit error..."
"How to Troll Forums with a Limited Vocabulary"...page 39

"....lies in claiming anything was twisted...."
"How to Troll Forums with a Limited Vocabulary"...page 2

"blames me...."
"How to Troll Forums with a Limited Vocabulary"...page 3

"fantasizes..."
"How to Troll Forums with a Limited Vocabulary"...first page

"lies, denies, throws a whiny tantrum "
"How to Troll Forums with a Limited Vocabulary"...all pages, all volumes.

Boo-hoo.

[neoplacebo]

I sometimes think of shooting myself when in Wal Mart, or just shooting myself for the fact that I went there. To date, I have been unarmed at those times.

[Mr.B]

"You cower from the question - Have you ever heard of a 2-year-old killing Mom in a Walmart or anywhere else with some other weapon?"
Oh darn...I missed that. I failed to see where that 2 year-old stalked his Mom and willfully shot her dead. He knew that by shooting her, he wouldn't put himself in danger by close contact with a knife or a ball bat. Must've been ticked because she wouldn't buy him a toy.

As usual, Mr.B screws up, denies his screw up because his ego is too, too delicate to ever admit error, lies in claiming anything was twisted, blames me for noticing his screw up, fantasizes that I'm upset rather than enjoying every minute of it, entirely ignores that O Really and neoplacebo also noticed his screw up, throws a whiny tantrum about the whole thing, fantasizes that I'm crying when I think it's hilarious, lies about a twist again, denies his screw up again, again fantasizes that I'm crying when I think it's hilarious that his vocabulary is so limited that his own post befuddles him, ignores all this and throws another whiny, diversionary tantrum about how mean it is of me to quote his own words. Boo-hoo.
Hey...you did good. Sometimes you're amazing, you know that? You got all that pitiful whine in one sentence! Not only that, you fantasized about me the whole time!

[Mr.B]

"That quip has already been made:"

You got an extra platter?

[Mr.B]

You got an original joke?

Vrede

[neoplacebo]

I wasn't sure if this should go in the wingnut thread or this one and flipped a coin. I read today that the NYC district attorney that refused to indict even the one cop that choked out Eric Garner is thinking of running for disgraced and convicted wingnut and former LEO Grimm's seat in Congress. But I suppose anyone would be qualified to replace someone as grimly ignorant as Grimm.

[Mr.B]

"I haven't been an original joke for decades."

Yep...same 'ol worn-out has-been.

[JTA]

"As usual, ______ screws up, denies his screw up because his ego is too, too delicate to ever admit error..."
"How to Troll Forums with a Limited Vocabulary"...page 39

"....lies in claiming anything was twisted...."
"How to Troll Forums with a Limited Vocabulary"...page 2

"blames me...."
"How to Troll Forums with a Limited Vocabulary"...page 3

"fantasizes..."
"How to Troll Forums with a Limited Vocabulary"...first page

"lies, denies, throws a whiny tantrum "
"How to Troll Forums with a Limited Vocabulary"...all pages, all volumes.

Boo-hoo.

Where can I buy this book?

[neoplacebo]

I haven't been an original joke for decades.

Yep...same 'ol worn-out has-been.

I respect your expert opinion.

I read a story a few minutes ago about a Georgia police chief who called 911 to say he'd just accidentally shot his wife in their bedroom just before dawn this morning.. Opps.

[O Really]

I haven't been an original joke for decades.

Yep...same 'ol worn-out has-been.

I respect your expert opinion.

I read a story a few minutes ago about a Georgia police chief who called 911 to say he'd just accidentally shot his wife in their bedroom just before dawn this morning.. Opps.

"How to Get Away with Murder"
Dude's got two thing going for him - he's a cop so of course he always tells the truth; and he's using the "opps" defense that almost always works in Georgia. No details yet, so I'm guessing he "didn't know his piece was loaded" or "they both went for the gun." He'll walk.

[neoplacebo]

I haven't been an original joke for decades.

Yep...same 'ol worn-out has-been.

I respect your expert opinion.

I read a story a few minutes ago about a Georgia police chief who called 911 to say he'd just accidentally shot his wife in their bedroom just before dawn this morning.. Opps.

"How to Get Away with Murder"
Dude's got two thing going for him - he's a cop so of course he always tells the truth; and he's using the "opps" defense that almost always works in Georgia. No details yet, so I'm guessing he "didn't know his piece was loaded" or "they both went for the gun." He'll walk.

Yeah, all that. But I'm wondering why he's fiddling around with his guns in the middle of the night in the bedroom. If I were fiddling with my guns, I'd be done with it before going to bed. Unless I was a terminally skeered gun nut.

[neoplacebo]

What better place for "gun" fiddling than in bed?

Well, there is that.......saw an update on this story this morning on tv; the wife is not dead but in critical condition so once they're able to talk with her, the chief may have to choose something other than opps. But then again, the story says he's only been chief for five months so it's entirely possible he was strutting around in the bedroom at 4am practicing his quick draw in the closet door mirror when "opps" reared its ugly head.

[O Really]

Nobody likes to think a murder would occur in their neighborhood or to someone they know. But consider: if you don't know any real facts or details, which is the more believable story - that an apparently well-trained man who carries his Glock around every day would for some reason have it out in his bedroom, for some reason pointing in the direction of his wife, and for some reason pulling the trigger (or maybe having the only gun in the world - according to roland - that shoots by itself). Or, is it more believable that a person with an authority attitude (no, I don't know the guy but seriously - have you ever known a cop, much less a chief, without one?) had a bit of an anger attack and shot her?

I'm not saying he intentionally tried to kill her. I'm just asking why the opps story, unsupported as yet by any evidence, even sounds believable in comparison to a more likely and frequently seen scenario.

[O Really]

OMG! roland is apparently going to be shocked and aghast. Now the chief says "that when he moved the weapon, it fired, shooting his wife in the back." "It fired" sounds a lot like a gun that shoots by itself, ya' think?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/pol ... ar-BBhqjJC