Gun Legislation

[O Really]

Oof-da! I didn't know about that beast.

[Mr.B]

Because she made a move to provide defense for herself and her toddler,

The tragedy proves "she made a move to" to do neither. Your pants-wetting fear is no substitute for statistical reality.

according to you and other blind, ignorant idiots that feel she should not defend herself against rape or kidnapping of her child,

In a small town Idaho Walmart?

Silly, silly, silly, me! I should have known that rape or child abduction, or any crime for that matter, would never, never, never occur in Hayden, Idaho....and if it did, the crime would be limited to occurring inside Walmart. What in the world could I have been thinking?!?

[Mr.B]

"You aren't thinking, just like the dead idiot Mom you defend wasn't thinking. Here again is the very relevant part of my post that you deleted and ran away from, as usual..."

I didn't run away... just pretty much ignored it like I do most of your posts. So it told about three gun deaths......out of the millions of people in the U.S.; wow...such a staggering amount.

To make the writer's point that he too is a shrieking, paranoid, anti-gun freak; he's merely gloating over the gun deaths just as you have continuously gloated and cheered the woman's being killed accidently by her toddler.

Carry on with your gloating, it fits your pitiful nature.

[Mr.B]

Accidentally or accidently?


The second and shorter spelling is not obsolete as Oxford Dictionary (1989) claims. Databases show its currency, with a score of British examples in the BNC and almost 100 American ones in CCAE. These numbers suggest that accidently is somewhat commoner in American English, and its relative frequency vis-a-vis accidentally confirms it: about 1:15 in American data, whereas it's 1:28 in the British data. Accidently is sometimes regarded as a spelling mistake or malformation, but its pedigree is obscured by the fact that accident was once an adjective, from which it could derived quite regularly. Common pronunciation of the word (with stress on the first syllable) also supports the shorter form. This is not to say we should prefer it to accidentally: rather that it cannot be dismissed as a solecism.

[Mr.B]

"Lie, as usual..........."

And you're a bigger liar. You've done nothing but gloat and scream your righteousness over that woman's death since the story was first posted. Put on your big-boy panties and own it; don't forget to accuse me some more of lying and running away; it's in your nature, you know.

(I nailed that one....your reply got posted before mine did!!!)

[billy.pilgrim]

Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

Double opps. At least he missed his 2-year-old sister and the fetus.

but he got both the gun nuts

[rstrong]

Double opps. At least he missed his 2-year-old sister and the fetus.

Also the grandmother and two pit bulls living in the hotel room with them.

(I posted a different link to this one yesterday.)

[rstrong]

What has four legs and an arm?
A happy pit bull.

What do you do if a pit bull mounts your leg?
Fake an orgasm.

What's the difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom?
One nurtures its children, the other sends them out to play on a frozen lake.

Least Competent Cops: Four New York City police were called to an apartment house in July in the Bronx concerning a landlord-tenant dispute, but were distracted by a teenager in the hallway smoking marijuana and started to chase him, when a pit bull attacked the officers. The toll, 26 bullets later: one dead dog, one bitten officer, three other officers wounded by each other's gunshots. [New York Post, 7-24-06]

[neoplacebo]

Double opps. At least he missed his 2-year-old sister and the fetus.

Also the grandmother and two pit bulls living in the hotel room with them.

(I posted a different link to this one yesterday.)

I read that the husband in this reel movie could not legally possess a firearm, as he is a convicted felon. There will probably be more to this movie before these people die.

[Mr.B]

"Our love is like a parakeet and an AK-47...whatever that means."

[O Really]

Police: Vegas mom, son searched for vehicle before shooting

Bizarre tale. So far, it sounds like the killer, the deceased, her teen daughter and adult son all made poor choices, the killer and son were armed and, maybe not surprisingly, at least the killer and deceased are blond.

Yeppers, all you need to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. I wonder what the woman would be thinking if instead of being dead, she was looking at her dead son, gun still in his cold fingers.

[Boatrocker]

. . . Yeppers, all you need to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun . . . .

And some way to figger out which is which.

[O Really]

. . . Yeppers, all you need to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun . . . .

And some way to figger out which is which.

True that - and if this event had been in Florida and the shooter had called the cops after shooting, he'd probably have a fair chance at a SYG defense, what with being stalked and all. Probably wouldn't work, since he stalked them home after they stalked him, but it makes a conversation.

[O Really]

Not to say the woman was "asking for it" nor that the shooter shouldn't be punished, but that was really a stupid thing to do. Think about it - she puts herself and her kids in danger where even the best likely scenario could have resulted in the son being arrested for waving his gun around. Exactly what did she expect to do, or expect to happen? I'll bet nobody is saying anything now because she's dead, but I wouldn't be surprised for it to come up later that this wasn't the first time she went angrily off the rails.

[billy.pilgrim]

She did "ask for it". Whether that directly led to her "getting it" is still unclear. With the story having changed so much from the original I suspect there's even more to be learned. Whether we will or not, I don't know. If the killer is never caught and/or if the family is hiding other details about the event that are unfavorable to themselves or the dead woman, we may never know the full story.

full story so far = one less gun nut
= one forever psychologically impaired gun nut
= one escaped gun nut

epilogue = escaped gun nut goes to jail

[Mr.B]

Strange story...

Mom was driving home when the car cut back in front of them too shortly. ( the cars didn't touch according to police investigation) Daughter reaches over to blow the horn to express her anger. (mom also taught road rage?) Words are exchanged. Mom drives home and gets son with gun, they go hunting with said gun. First driver returns and starts firing his gun....why? Did son pull his gun first and threaten the driver?

The whole story smacks of road rage gone wrong.......for the perpetrator of the road rage.

[O Really]

The whole story smacks of road rage gone wrong.......for the perpetrator of the road rage.

As compared to road rage gone right? Exactly what would that look like, anyway?

[O Really]

Turning from Main onto 176 I was in the right left turn lane. The old guy in the left left turn lane swung wide into my lane on 176, the right one. I honked, he flipped me the bird, I flipped it back, he pulled into the grocery store parking lot and stopped, and he had kids in the car! I drove on. It looks like that.

Well, times are different now from when we learned to drive in DC where the most important things to learn to use effectively were the gas, horn, and finger - not necessarily in that order. Now you never know who the loon is. Even in the Las Vegas instance, it looks like the woman wanted to be the "crazy one with a gun that you don't want to mess with" and never really considered that maybe the other guy(s) was really that person.

[Mr.B]

"The whole story smacks of road rage gone wrong.......for the perpetrator of the road rage."

"As compared to road rage gone right? Exactly what would that look like, anyway?"
It would look like Mom didn't turn out to be the bad-a*s she thought she would be. Not meaning to be funny, but she started it by going to look for the one who offended her...the offender ended it.

"The man then blocked their car, got out and said "some words" that "frightened Mrs. Meyers and her daughter..."

"She didn't deserve this," said Brandon Meyers. "I did what I had to do to protect my family. Everyone can think what they have to think.
I did it for a reason. And I'd do it for anyone I love."

It would interesting to know what was said in this exchange that would prompt such anger from the Mom, and the need to hunt the other driver down.

[O Really]

Classic example of misunderstanding some fundamental principles of self/home defense. The starting point is in anticipating potential trouble and taking steps to avoid it if possible. You have to look at possible road-rager encounters like any other hazard you might face. If you know the road is flooded, the reasonable action is to take another route, rather than proceeding to try to get across. The hazard of road-ragers has increased over the past years, and is no longer a vague possibility but a likelihood. Assume that any car around might have a road-rager in it, and especially those who appear to be driving aggressively. Don't poke a finger in the bear's eye. Part of the woman's "driving instruction" should have included that. Then, if confronted with a road-rager, it's important not to make it worse. Keep your mouth shut and focus on getting away. If you're not chased, the hum "Let it Go" the rest of the way home. If you are chased, head for a crowded place. Only if you get cornered should you consider shooting they guy as the best response. So ultimately, the daughter has to live with the fact that her impulsive action got her mother killed. But she won't think about it like that. It's always somebody else's fault.