The LEO thread

[billy.pilgrim]

Unless you think any of that can be and will be rectified, I'd say you have a problem with the death penalty in principle.

It and death while unjustly imprisoned are the only results that society can't even make an attempt to fix.

I agree that "we have plenty of folks who don't need to be here" and could theoretically see myself "helping" some of them leave, but I don't see how we are benefited by government being an executioner. Government should strive to enhance society, no other aim is its legitimate function.

There's a guy down here who tossed his 5-year old daughter off the bridge into Tampa Bay. I'd say taking him out back and dropping him like a three-legged horse would be a good example of government striving to enhance society. Now he's ruled "incompetent" to stand trial. Even more reason to drop him. No question as to whether he did it. Nobody is going to come up with DNA 20 years hence showing it was somebody else who tossed the kid. Get rid of him permanently.

OTOH, if you're not going to do that, it's better to be up front with a lock up for life without parole than to sentence him to some phoney-baloney "death penalty" that may happen after you've paid millions on his behalf for 20 years.

so you want us to act like the fuk who throws a little girl off a bridge -

please move to texas and secede

[billy.pilgrim]

Actually, that would be wanting prison guards that weren't competent enough to be cops and inept medical technicians "to act like the fuk who throws a little girl off a bridge".

To be fair, O Really also opposes the death penalty - "if I made the rules, I wouldn't have capital punishment", and he used to live in Texas while helping out La Raza. He just likes to play devil's advocate re some of the reasons the death penalty is opposed.

the prison guards are acting on our laws


and I really didn't think he meant it that way, but it has been a while since I checked in

[O Really]

so you want us to act like the fuk who throws a little girl off a bridge -

please move to texas and secede

Sorry, I've already served my time in Texas. But I think it's a reasonable argument that killing a person for what they did is a bit different from killing a 5-year old for whatever reason is generated in a legally insane mind. Shooting the guy breaking into your house is different from breaking into a house. As Vrede kindly pointed out (thanks!) I'm not a death penalty proponent. But one thing I did learn during my sentence in Texas, "some people just need shootin' " And a guy who tosses his daughter over the bridge is one of those people.

[billy.pilgrim]

so you want us to act like the fuk who throws a little girl off a bridge -

please move to texas and secede

Sorry, I've already served my time in Texas. But I think it's a reasonable argument that killing a person for what they did is a bit different from killing a 5-year old for whatever reason is generated in a legally insane mind. Shooting the guy breaking into your house is different from breaking into a house. As Vrede kindly pointed out (thanks!) I'm not a death penalty proponent. But one thing I did learn during my sentence in Texas, "some people just need shootin' " And a guy who tosses his daughter over the bridge is one of those people.

the bridge thing sure sucks and so does or using the phosphorus in fallaujah (I imagine that the people who watched their babies burn in an inextinguishable fire may have something to do with what is going on there now
oops - I forgot - all events start when someone does something to us and nothing that we did first is to be considered


I agree that some people need shooting. trouble is - I ain't so sure that I know which ones - I mean, even teabaggers deserve a chance to reform

[O Really]

I mean, even teabaggers deserve a chance to reform

Y'er a better man than I, Billy P.
I think teabaggers deserve the Sarah Palin helicopter wolf-hunting solution. We need to "harvest" a bunch of those critters before their incessant breeding overruns the environment.

[billy.pilgrim]

I mean, even teabaggers deserve a chance to reform

Y'er a better man than I, Billy P.
I think teabaggers deserve the Sarah Palin helicopter wolf-hunting solution. We need to "harvest" a bunch of those critters before their incessant breeding overruns the environment.

okay, you convinced me

[Mr.B]

He's saying 'No English'........

"I don't know what's wrong with him; I just asked him where he's going; he won't talk to me...."

"Are you here looking at houses and 'stuff' ? "

How dumb can you get?

"Madison police officer Eric Parker was arrested and is being fired......"

[billy.pilgrim]

Alabama cop - that dumb.

not just Alabama - just a standard issue typical cop

one of my 1st cop experiences was were 2 Alabama state troopers in 1972. my wife and I were taking the back way home (dirt road) and had noticed a car pretty far back but making all the same turns etc, - about 10 miles out of Auburn the lights came on, I pulled over, they acted like they were going to arrest, made up a bogus charge, threw me on the ground after empting my pockets and throwing my pocket knife into the woods, scattering everything from the van into a muddy ditch, made my wife lay on the ground

and then just drove away laughing

not quite like driving while black, as I could have cut my waist length hair

earlier cop experiences were in Atlanta, DC and NO.

reckon I'll always see them as pigs first - but then ain't we all a little prejudice

[O Really]

I agree, cops are cops, good and bad. However, one can consider the available pool of applicants in different jurisdictions , along with the rules and leadership they operate under.

True, but most states have standards for law enforcement personnel that theoretically eliminate the hiring of Bubba's brother-in-law who just got fired from Wal-Mart. Even in Alabama, a "peace officer" has to go to some type of police academy and pass a basic ability test (aptly called "BAT" )

The problem comes in the culture, however, which is fairly consistent among law enforcement groups. And the culture is not the same as it was 20 years ago, and it's not the same as has worked in "community policing" programs in many places.

[neoplacebo]

They had no dog or fire hoses, either. They did have the country music channel, though.

[O Really]

Based on the video it's hard to discern much cop culture difference in Alabama from 50 years ago. Well . . . they didn't shoot him and one (only one?) of the cops was arrested and fired, maybe that's progress.

As much as I enjoy deriding the redneckiness of Alabama and its cops, I have to admit that during the height of the "stop and frisk" effort in NYC, the racism was equivalent. And "driving while Mexican" or "driving while Black" are offenses lots of places.

[neoplacebo]

Based on the video it's hard to discern much cop culture difference in Alabama from 50 years ago. Well . . . they didn't shoot him and one (only one?) of the cops was arrested and fired, maybe that's progress.

As much as I enjoy deriding the redneckiness of Alabama and its cops, I have to admit that during the height of the "stop and frisk" effort in NYC, the racism was equivalent. And "driving while Mexican" or "driving while Black" are offenses lots of places.

Yeah, Sheriff Joe out in Arizona is about to find this out if he don't die first.

[neoplacebo]

True but as Mr.B points out, saying, "He don't speak a lick of English," while continuing to question grandpa and give him orders in English was rather "special". Otoh, I was a little surprised that they stopped trying to make him walk on his paralyzed legs as quickly as they did.

I don't know....they tried half a dozen times or more to do so. I'm thinking that back injuries are pretty painful and I don't hear the guy making any noise, which makes me believe he was unconscious the whole time, in which case they should have summoned EMS pretty quick and they did not in the video other than to talk about doing so at the end of it.

[neoplacebo]

It doesn't matter at this point; as I noted in my message to them, this episode will end up costing them dearly. Whether it will be a lesson or not remains to be seen.

[JTA]

Damn, just watched that video of the cops slamming that guy to the ground. That's absolutely disgusting. Hope that guy gets fired.

Should be a grand old shit show on Facebook once my friends in law enforcement jump to defend the cop.

"Next time you need help, dont call the police if that's how you feel."

[neoplacebo]

Damn, just watched that video of the cops slamming that guy to the ground. That's absolutely disgusting. Hope that guy gets fired.

Should be a grand old shit show on Facebook once my friends in law enforcement jump to defend the cop.

"Next time you need help, dont call the police if that's how you feel."

He did get fired. I think he should have his stupid redneck ass slammed to the pavement face first as well, which I suggested in my note to the Madison PD. I expect cops do help folks now and again; I've even seen evidence of it. But speaking from personal experience, no cop has done anything for me other than to cause me trouble. I got back at one of them, though......former king shit deputy David Allison of the Buncombe County Sheriff Department. I believe I got him fired for his antics directed toward me in April or May 2009. I have tried numerous times without success to contact dipshit Allison to no avail. If anyone knows him, let him know I'm interested in speaking with him. He owes me.

[Mr.B]

Mom calls 911...Is shot by cops

[Mr.B]

"Bad link or are we supposed to do a reverse image search?"

You can try for a reverse image search, but I'd bet on the bad link angle. I'll try again....my bad.

Try this:

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/I ... all/nkDjN/

[bannination]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-0uqFT ... e=youtu.be

WTF, these cops should be buried under the jail.

[neoplacebo]

Ten minutes spent double checking the info could have avoided this bullshit; even one of the cops has doubts. Just another petty abuse of petty authority.