The Religion Thread

[bannination]

"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."

Except moving mountains, according to yourself.

[Mr.B]

Yeah, but religious people make up for it with their tales.
Whatever

"Sheesh, even when I cut you some slack...you dishonestly delete it....."
Dang you're dense! I didn't delete anything; it's still there in your post. For the gumteenth time; I c & p'd the portion I wanted to comment on...nothing "dishonest" about that. If anyone wants to re-read what you wrote, it's still right there. Your life revolves around calling people liars, and what'nall. Get a life...a real life; join the human race.

"Believing in miracles is one thing. Claiming that there's science that backs them up is pure lie."
You're the letter writer here; write 'im a letter telling him how much more intelligent you are than he is. I'm sure he'll issue a retraction and send you a check for your trouble.

"Here's my scripture: "Again I say to you, it is easier for a person to go through throat of a whale shark, than for a sane person to swallow anything the Institute for Creation 'Research' says."
Apply for a copyright; but know this...the copyright office has experience dealing with nutjobs.

[Mr.B]

"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."

"Except moving mountains, according to yourself."

Still too wet to plow around your place, Banni? Boy, you're ill. You haven't answered this:

"Oh, naturally, it's a figurative mountain that moves from here to there.
So does that mean you're the a*sholes who dump their burdens on other people.....?"

Nope...."take it to the Lord in prayer".
Who do you know that "dumps their burdens on you"? and if so, why? Ever hear of friends? Or is it you don't have any that's willing to sit down and talk with you when you're down?

[bannination]

"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."

"Except moving mountains, according to yourself."

Still too wet to plow around your place, Banni? Boy, you're ill. You haven't answered this:

"Oh, naturally, it's a figurative mountain that moves from here to there.
So does that mean you're the a*sholes who dump their burdens on other people.....?"

Nope...."take it to the Lord in prayer".
Who do you know that "dumps their burdens on you"? and if so, why? Ever hear of friends? Or is it you don't have any that's willing to sit down and talk with you when you're down?

Who dumps their burdens on you?

No one.

Ever hear of friends?

Yes

Ok... answered?! I supposed that was the best distraction you could come up with after your bible verse was just made to look idiotic.

[rstrong]

Would that happen to be St. Galileo or Galileo the Apostle? Don't recall ever reading his writings or accomplishments in the Bible; so I guess my satisfaction is in the air over that one.

Therefor you still believe that the world is flat and at the center of a limited universe. No doubt you think that anything that comes out of NASA is the work of the devil. I pity you.

Also, I've never read of the Loch Ness monster or of this Saint Columba in the Bible. What Bible are you reading all this in? Do y'all have different Bibles in Canada?

Christian canon includes more than the Bible. Much of your "Christian" beliefs and practices were never written down in the Bible. Likewise you reject much of the Bible, allowing women to speak in your church for example.

The Bible has slowly evolved. For what became the New Testament, Christianity had only really settled on 27 books - from a much larger selection - about a century before Saint Columba. And even then it wasn't settled - Revelation for example wasn't fully accepted. What's generally accepted now - the Canon of Trent - was nailed down in the 1540s.

If you're Protestant you have some serious doubts about Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation. They'd be antilegomena - books that have achieved a doubtful place in the Canon. Questioned or spoken against by Martin Luthor, along with his rejection of the merit of saints.

If another book were one day accepted as canon and added to the Bible - as has happened before - would you suddenly change your beliefs?

Regardless of all that, Saint Columba is venerated by, and his miracles accepted by, the Catholic Church, Orthodox Church, Lutheran Church, Anglican Communion and Presbyterian Church. The current vast majority of Christianity. And nearly all of Christianity at the time he was canonized - made part of Christian canon.

[Mr.B]

"Therefor (sic) you still believe that the world is flat and at the center of a limited universe. No doubt you think that anything that comes out of NASA is the work of the devil. I pity you."
I've never given any indication nor posted anything that states I believe in any such; nor do I personally believe the earth is only 6,000 years old; nor do I believe the earth was created in six consecutive days. I pity your small mind. You know, come to think of it, you and I make a great team. We should team up and call ourselves 'Plain and Simple'. I'm plain and you're.....

"Likewise you reject much of the Bible, allowing women to speak in your church for example."
Preach.

I know nothing of canons, vulgates, Saint Columbus'; care nothing about popes, cardinals, priests, friars, etc.
I am not Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican, or who/whatever follows that stuff. Sorry you wasted your time.

[Mr.B]

"For the gumteenth time, Mr.B, when what you quote misleads as to the totality of what I posted, it's dishonest."
Pride's a bitch, ain't it? What's the point in quoting a whole page of babbling when you can cut to the chase and comment on the relevant parts?

"This time, it's even funnier when I was being supportive of you and your response made essentially the same point I did but you're too butthurt by me to credit that."
Opps...missed that part; must've been my dishonesty kicking in. Stand by a moment, I'm tickling myself so I can laugh and find it to be funny.............OK, I'm through. That was hilarious.

"My writing a letter to the President of the Institute for Creation "Research" would be pointless. Everyone sane, honest and science literate has been calling him and his dittoheads liars for a long time."
Mostly the liberal airheads who also call Christians idiots for their beliefs.


"Do you believe that "modern sailors or other individuals" have been found alive in fish "hours" after being swallowed?"
I've never heard any news stories alluding to such, so I'll have to say no; however, strange unbelievable things happen every day in this world, and just because they didn't make the headlines or even page 12 of NYT, doesn't mean it didn't/couldn't/shouldn't/wouldn't happen.

[JTA]

Institute for Creation Research:

Although there are some people who profess to be atheists, the Bible indicates that there is no such thing.

http://www.icr.org/God

Alright Mr. Bannination. Guess what... bet you didn't know you were actually a closet Christian. Time to come out of the closet!

Check-mate atheists!

http://www.icr.org/nature

The evidence for creation can be clearly seen from that which has been made by our Creator.

Is this kinda like saying that the evidence of evolution can be seen from that which has evolved through evolution?

[bannination]

Institute for Creation Research:

Although there are some people who profess to be atheists, the Bible indicates that there is no such thing.

http://www.icr.org/God

Alright Mr. Bannination. Guess what... bet you didn't know you were actually a closet Christian. Time to come out of the closet!

Check-mate atheists!

http://www.icr.org/nature

The evidence for creation can be clearly seen from that which has been made by our Creator.

Is this kinda like saying that the evidence of evolution can be seen from that which has evolved through evolution?

I'd feel much more comfortable with what they're saying if it wasn't one specific creator that came with a list of rules thousands of pages long that contradict one another. They sort of dodge that point.... and once again the question becomes which of the thousands of gods is the real creator... and then everyone of every particular religion that still has a living member says "ours of course!".

[billy.pilgrim]

"omg - bb really believes someone lived in a fish - next he'll be telling us that a little rain can flood the tallest mountains....no wonder fox has such an easy time manipulating the morons"

So...you're a Fox news fan? That explains you.

so, do you believe in the flood bullsh!t too

[billy.pilgrim]

Institute for Creation Research:

Although there are some people who profess to be atheists, the Bible indicates that there is no such thing.

http://www.icr.org/God

Alright Mr. Bannination. Guess what... bet you didn't know you were actually a closet Christian. Time to come out of the closet!

Check-mate atheists!

http://www.icr.org/nature

The evidence for creation can be clearly seen from that which has been made by our Creator.

Is this kinda like saying that the evidence of evolution can be seen from that which has evolved through evolution?

I'd feel much more comfortable with what they're saying if it wasn't one specific creator that came with a list of rules thousands of pages long that contradict one another. They sort of dodge that point.... and once again the question becomes which of the thousands of gods is the real creator... and then everyone of every particular religion that still has a living member says "ours of course!".

most of it seems like witch doctors trying to scare ignorant people into submission
along with a bunch of common sense rules to live by scattered in
and most of it stolen from older religions where other witch doctors tried to scare ignorant people into submission

[rstrong]

I've never given any indication nor posted anything that states I believe in any such; nor do I personally believe the earth is only 6,000 years old; nor do I believe the earth was created in six consecutive days.

And yet you believe in a man surviving in the belly of a whale.

Preach.

The New Testament makes it clear that women are not allowed to speak in church. "They must be kept silent."

I know nothing of canons, vulgates, Saint Columbus'; care nothing about popes, cardinals, priests, friars, etc.
I am not Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican, or who/whatever follows that stuff. Sorry you wasted your time.

Yes. Just like you know nothing of the Old Testament - openly declaring it not part of Christianity - but have some obscure mathematical formula where on some days it magically becomes part of Christianity and you can quote it.

Not to be confused with the New Testament, where you have some formula by which some pages are sacrosanct and others you reject.

But I'm not talking about your personal interpretation based on what cherry-picked bits suit you. Saint Columba is part of Christianity for the majority of Christians.

[Mr.B]

"so, do you believe in the flood bullsh!t too"

The only "flood bullsh!t" I believe in is the flood of it when you post. I have to believe it, because it's got your screen name and goofy-looking avatar associated with it. Next...

[Mr.B]

"And yet you believe in a man surviving in the belly of a whale."
Yep. And I also believe I survived in Mom's belly for 9 months enclosed in a bag of fluid.

The New Testament makes it clear that women are not allowed to speak in church. "They must be kept silent."
Preach. If a man doesn't "speak", how is he going to preach? You're being literal...and dumb.

"Yes. Just like you know nothing of the Old Testament - openly declaring it not part of Christianity - but have some obscure mathematical formula where on some days it magically becomes part of Christianity and you can quote it."
You're confused. OT laws did not deal with Grace Era Christians; you know that.

"Not to be confused with the New Testament, where you have some formula by which some pages are sacrosanct and others you reject."
You're confused. When Christ died, the veil of the temple was torn in two, indicating that OT Law was replaced by Grace. Grace was not limited to the Jews, but also to the Greek (Gentiles; or all who believe)

But I'm not talking about your personal interpretation based on what cherry-picked bits suit you. Saint Columba is part of Christianity for the majority of Christians."
Never heard of him; of course, like I said, I'm not Catholic, whose denomination is the majority of Christians. The only St. Columba I'm familiar with was the one that supposedly discovered America, but he spelled his name differently, and from what I've read, he was no saint. The Catholic church has saints; one for any occasion; so maybe that's what has you totally confused.

[bannination]

We need a Christian to English dictionary or something.

Speak = Preach

Wait, does that mean when they preach in the bible, they really mean speak? Does it go both ways?

Mountain = burdens......

Same question?

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

That's pretty clear that if a woman has a question in church, they should shut up and not speak. I'd really like to know how you get "preach" out of that.

Notice the plural - WOMEN to speak in the church. What did they have a gang of women trying to preach in church?

Sounds like to me, the women were smart in this church, and the "preacher" was tired of them making him look stupid. "Where did all the water come from for the flood?" SILENCE WOMAN!

[Mr.B]

We need a Christian to English dictionary or something.
Wouldn't help you.

Speak = Preach
Wait, does that mean when they preach in the Bible, they really mean speak? Does it go both ways?
Of course, silly. To preach, you must speak; i.e. open your mouth. If you were a preacher, would you just stand there with your mouth closed?

Mountain = burdens......Same question?
Correct. Burdens, problems, prayer needs.....any of which can become a mountainous burden.

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

That's pretty clear that if a woman has a question in church, they should shut up and not speak. I'd really like to know how you get "preach" out of that.
A preaching service is not a question-and-answer session. A man doesn't speak up or ask questions during a service either.

Notice the plural - WOMEN to speak in the church. What did they have, a gang of women trying to preach in church?
I wasn't there; I couldn't tell you.

Sounds like to me, the women were smart in this church, and the "preacher" was tired of them making him look stupid.
"Where did all the water come from for the flood?" SILENCE WOMAN!
You're being silly now. The Bible is clear where the water came from. The Bible is clear that a man is to be the head of his household.

[O Really]

Serious question: When the topic is an entity that created and controls the universe, what possible difference can it make if one believes everything or anything contained in one set of documents? Can it possibly matter in the eternal infinity whether anybody believes the Jonah story or the flood story? Or whether they might be based in some truth, but maybe affected by the circumstances of the time of writing? Theoretically, the "great flood" covered the Earth. There's pretty good evidence it didn't. But considering what one might think constituted "the world" at the time, a big flood could seem like it. Certainly flooded their "world." There were people in New Orleans who'd never been out of the 9th Ward. Take away all technology that brought in information from other places and available transportation that rescued them and sent them to Oklahoma or wherever, they would have surely said Katrina and Rita "flooded the world." But what does it matter? You're talking about matters past Earthly constraints. An entity that created the universe is really going to care if a given human wears the right kind of cap or sprinkles or dunks their kid? I don't think so.

[bannination]

That's pretty clear that if a woman has a question in church, they should shut up and not speak. I'd really like to know how you get "preach" out of that.
A preaching service is not a question-and-answer session. A man doesn't speak up or ask questions during a service either.

So now you agree it wasn't about a woman preaching? That's interesting.

[billy.pilgrim]

Serious question: When the topic is an entity that created and controls the universe, what possible difference can it make if one believes everything or anything contained in one set of documents? Can it possibly matter in the eternal infinity whether anybody believes the Jonah story or the flood story? Or whether they might be based in some truth, but maybe affected by the circumstances of the time of writing? Theoretically, the "great flood" covered the Earth. There's pretty good evidence it didn't. But considering what one might think constituted "the world" at the time, a big flood could seem like it. Certainly flooded their "world." There were people in New Orleans who'd never been out of the 9th Ward. Take away all technology that brought in information from other places and available transportation that rescued them and sent them to Oklahoma or wherever, they would have surely said Katrina and Rita "flooded the world." But what does it matter? You're talking about matters past Earthly constraints. An entity that created the universe is really going to care if a given human wears the right kind of cap or sprinkles or dunks their kid? I don't think so.

nailed
it

a bunch of ignorant desert dwellers have a little flood and whoopee - a new religion

but as usual bb won't (can't) respond

[billy.pilgrim]

"so, do you believe in the flood bullsh!t too"

The only "flood bullsh!t" I believe in is the flood of it when you post. I have to believe it, because it's got your screen name and goofy-looking avatar associated with it. Next...

run away bb, run away