The homophobic thread :>

[Seth Milner]

Whether it's right or not, it is their right.

See, this is where you go beyond being merely wrong, and make it look like you're trying to get into the Guinness Book of World Records for weasel-worded dishonesty. . . Sorry that it's too hard for you to grasp.

I don't care. It appears it's working for the "bigots" whether you like it or hate it, I don't care. What do you care anyway? You don't even live in the U.S. Apathy isn't a bad thing; let them fight it out among themselves, no hide off my butt.

[rstrong]

It appears it's working for the "bigots" whether you like it or hate it

Nope. Blacks got their rights. Women got their rights. Bigots like Davis and this judge tried to stop it. Others like you tried to hush them, not wanting to hear about their rights so long as you had yours.

Like with blacks and women, it's working for the LGBT community whether YOU like it or not. The percentage of Americans supporting same-sex marriage is over 50% and climbing. And that's weighted towards the younger crowd, so you know the percentage will climb. Even the Republican leadership is increasingly in favor, with Bush I, Cheney and others openly supporting it. By the 2020 election the Republican Party may be The Party That Supports Same-Sex Marriage, And Always Has.

The battle for LGBT rights is essentially over. It's won. It's in a cleanup phase. But that the clean-up is not to stop the bigots from being bigoted. (Though if a corporation uses its right to oppose same-sex rights, then others may use their right to boycott it.) It's to stop bigots from using government positions to force others to conform to their bigotry.

What do you care anyway? You don't even live in the U.S. Apathy isn't a bad thing; let them fight it out among themselves, no hide off my butt.

As Pastor Martin Niemöller put it:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

The US has plenty of history "butting into" the affairs of other countries. Usually for the good. But Davis's crowd, the American religious right, is also known in recent years for lobbying African nations to impose death penalties for being gay. The best way to counter that is to counter them with facts and reason closer to home. Let them know why it's unacceptable in their home country, and their home state, their home county and their home town.

[Seth Milner]

It appears it's working for the "bigots" whether you like it or hate it.

Nope. Blacks got their rights. Women got their rights. Bigots like Davis and this judge tried to stop it.
I was talking about the magistrates in Vrede too's link; right now they're doing what they feel is right.

Others like you tried to hush them, not wanting to hear about their rights so long as you had yours.
Idiot. I've had no part in attempting to hush anyone.

Like with blacks and women, it's working for the LGBT community whether YOU like it or not.
What part of I DON"T CARE can you not understand?

The percentage of Americans supporting same-sex marriage is over 50% and climbing. And that's weighted towards the younger crowd, so you know the percentage will climb. Even the Republican leadership is increasingly in favor, with Bush I, Cheney and others openly supporting it. By the 2020 election the Republican Party may be The Party That Supports Same-Sex Marriage, And Always Has.
Who cares? It's not my fight. If you want to strain your ass over what others do or think, go for it. I care less who, what faction, religion, or political party supports or denounces what.

The battle for LGBT rights is essentially over. It's won. It's in a cleanup phase. But that the clean-up is not to stop the bigots from being bigoted.
(Though if a corporation uses its right to oppose same-sex rights, then others may use their right to boycott it.) It's to stop bigots from using government positions to force others to conform to their bigotry.
Not to mention forcing others to accept what they don't want any part of.

What do you care anyway? You don't even live in the U.S. Apathy isn't a bad thing; let them fight it out among themselves, no hide off my butt.

As Pastor Martin Niemöller put it:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Big deal. Where's this pastor today? What did these fine words accomplish for him? What will they accomplish for you?

The US has plenty of history "butting into" the affairs of other countries. Usually for the good.
You mean like a certain Canadian sticking his nose into the affairs of the U.S.? What good is it doing for you, other than blowing your own horn?

But Davis's crowd, the American religious right, is also known in recent years for lobbying African nations to impose death penalties for being gay.
Citation?

The best way to counter that is to counter them with facts and reason closer to home. Let them know why it's unacceptable in their home country, and their home state, their home county and their home town.
Yeah. . . facts, reasons, and singing Kumbaya will solve the world's problems. If it works for you, go for it.
Great touching speech; I think I'll go off and have a crying jag while waving a Canadian flag.

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But Davis's crowd, the American religious right, is also known in recent years for lobbying African nations to impose death penalties for being gay.
Citation?

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/190889/ ... -gays-law/
http://www.towleroad.com/2014/12/extrem ... ity-video/
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/232101/ ... -humanity/
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/08 ... -humanity/

[rstrong]

I was talking about the magistrates in Vrede too's link; right now they're doing what they feel is right.

When judges ordered Davis to stop using her government position to force others to conform to her personal belief, those judges were doing what THEY felt was right.

And yet your concern was entirely one-sided for Davis's beliefs. Just like you're entirely pro-bigot in the case of these judges.

Idiot. I've had no part in attempting to hush anyone.

Other than arguing against their opinions and rights, and belittling anyone else for arguing in favor of their rights.

What part of I DON"T CARE can you not understand?

So what are you doing here, over and over and over again, arguing an entirely one-sided opinion on the issue?

Not to mention forcing others to accept what they don't want any part of.

That's what Davis and the magistrates you're championing are doing. Using their government position of authority to force others to practice their personal interpretation of their personal religion.

What do you care anyway? You don't even live in the U.S.

One more time: The US has plenty of history "butting into" the affairs of other countries. Usually for the good. Americans voice their opinions in Canada, whether its Michael Moore on one left, or the NRA and the Westboro Baptist Church on the right. The American religious right is known in recent years for lobbying African nations to impose death penalties for being gay, so you can expect those in other countries to respond in American circles with a WTF of their own.

Plus I've been in this group for seven or eight years, so I take part in the debates regardless of subject, although not much on local issues. I originally posted in response to an topic involving Canada, where forum/topic popped up on a web search on another issue.

Big deal. Where's this pastor today?

He died in 1984 at age 92. You think that invalidates his point? Or does his arrest and jailing by the Nazis in 1937 and being freed by the Fifth U.S. Army in 1945 invalidate it?

What did these fine words accomplish for him? What will they accomplish for you?

I'm a straight, white male, but even I can see the need for civil rights protections. I have relatives and loved ones and friends who not straight or white or male. Even for straight white males there's always some bigot who will try to deny rights over ageism, religion or whatnot.

What part of this do you not understand?

[Vrede too]

You're fantasizing about me again.

You must think you're an object of desire. Dream on.

Not all fantasies are sexual or even positive, idiot. Your illiterate "journalism" must be a hoot!

... You ran away from homerfobe's post...

I never read them and can't even see them, as I've clearly said. Comprehend much?

Speaking of "man enough", about your proved lies (see above) that you haven't had the balls to admit and retract, wuss? Quit running away.

Anything I say is wrong or a lie in your eyes; whether it really is or not...

Wussy lie, as usual. Your recent ones in this thread have been specifically IDed and, as usual, you substitute whining about my style for manning up, poor thing.

[Vrede too]

North Carolina County Magistrates Refuse To Perform Any Marriages Because Of Marriage Equality

So, straight couples, mostly, are being inconvenienced, bigots are being paid for doing nothing, and NC taxpayers subsidize the bigotry. Great job, NC GOP.

Whether it's right or not, it is their right.

There is no "right" involved here, dummy. The GOP Leg. gave them the ability to be bigot slackers and leeches, and I suspect that the law will be overturned in court.

You, as a champion of human rights, ought to see that. The SCOTUS did rule that another's rights could not be trampled in order to uphold the SSM law;

No it hasn't, you lie again.

it appears that NC only enforced that ruling.

There is no "ruling", fool. It's funny that you're so utterly ignorant about the topic you choose to post on. You're up to a hat trick of complete stupidity.

It is odd though, that you call one's religious beliefs bigotry,

Your illiteracy about cherry picked religious bigotry is not my problem.

while failing to recognize their rights.

There are no "rights" to discriminate. That was settled 50 years ago. History much?

If NC, or other counties are providing other magistrates to perform marriages, it appears that they have a handle on the situation, a handle that is too slippery for you and other religion-haters to grasp.

The "handle" is straight couples, far more of them than gays, being inconvenienced while all the NC taxpayers pick up the tab for the hassle while paying magistrates to do nothing. Clearly, you're so homophobic that you think it's peachy.

Be like me; apathy isn't a bad thing; let them fight it out among themselves; all that's going to get hurt is your feelings....

Ummm, my money is being wasted and it's mostly straight couples that are hurt. It's hilarious that even the simplest concepts escape your grasp.

Your longwinded rationalizations for your cynicism, apathy, lack of civic involvement and hopelessness are pathetic.

[Vrede too]

Whether it's right or not, it is their right.

See, this is where you go beyond being merely wrong, and make it look like you're trying to get into the Guinness Book of World Records for weasel-worded dishonesty.

No, they do not have the right to use a government position of authority to force others to practice their personal interpretation of their personal religion. They NEVER had that right. Not when similar bigots attempt to do the same to deny rights to women, not when they attempt to do the same to deny rights to blacks, not just a few years ago when a judge refused to let a couple marry because they didn't have the same skin color, and not now.

What they do in their private lives is their own business. No-one is stopping them. No-one is trampling their rights.

Being a Catholic means that you oppose divorce? Fine; don't get divorced. Don't have your church recognize divorces. Shun any family that gets divorced. Carry anti-divorce signs at military funerals. But as a government official you can't use your position to refuse government services to divorced people, because your personal interpretation of your personal religion doesn't like it. The job comes with the recognition that those you have authority over have rights too. That's NOT trampling on your rights. That's NOT trampling on your religion.

Sorry that it's too hard for you to grasp.

I don't care. It appears it's working for the "bigots" whether you like it or hate it....

Nope, you bigots are losing in just about every venue. Even this NC foolishness isn't really hurting gays.

[Vrede too]

But Davis's crowd, the American religious right, is also known in recent years for lobbying African nations to impose death penalties for being gay.

Citation?

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/190889/ ... -gays-law/
http://www.towleroad.com/2014/12/extrem ... ity-video/
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/232101/ ... -humanity/
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/08 ... -humanity/

"Investigative journalist" Seth Milner couldn't investigate his way out of a paper bag. Such intellectual and research incompetence is pitiful.

[Vrede too]

Homophobic People Often Have Psychological Issues

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Homophobic People Often Have Psychological Issues

Interesting! Doesn't surprise me in the least with my experiences though.

[Boatrocker]

. . . Being a Catholic means that you oppose divorce? Fine; don't get divorced. Don't have your church recognize divorces. Shun any family that gets divorced. Carry anti-divorce signs at military funerals. But as a government official you can't use your position to refuse government services to divorced people, because your personal interpretation of your personal religion doesn't like it. The job comes with the recognition that those you have authority over have rights too. That's NOT trampling on your rights. That's NOT trampling on your religion.

Sorry that it's too hard for you to grasp.

Christianity- especially the backward, evangelical variety- is the most egregious example of a "religion" ignoring its own eponymous values and repeatedly, doggedly and idiotically attempting to redefine "persecution," "religious rights" and "freedom of religion," is the most blatantly Orwellian fashion. These assholes simply cannot be content to enjoy their right to practice their religion as they choose, in private, and believe and worship as they choose, in private, while leaving everyone else free to do the same. Or free to ignore religion completely. No, no, no- this hypocritical, rabble insists on forcing its precepts and superstitions and ignorant ritual onto the rest of the populace while hiding behind imaginary rights to do just that. And they do while screaming like little bitches anytime anyone expresses any resistance to the religious right's use of self-awarded and non-existent "rights" to beat everyone else over the head.

I sincerely wish "Christians" got even 10 percent of the persecution they imagine they do.

[Boatrocker]

. . . I was talking about the magistrates in Vrede too's link; right now they're doing what they feel is right.

Yeah. That's a great defense. It didn't work for Nazi, it didn't work for the McCarthy-ites, it didn't work for the KKK. It should not work for the religious right. We should come down on them as hard as they wish to come down on Islam, and for the same reasons.

[Vrede too]

Seth: Apathetic about homosexuality.

Reality:
Most active topic:
The homophobic thread :>
(76 Posts / 16.85% of user’s posts)

So where's my medal? You think (don't hurt yourself) maybe my number of posts in this thread was due to Vrede too and myself bantering back and forth over foolish bullshit? Or that since the fiasco in KY, this thread became the main bitchin' post? Bullshit happens, you know.

Seth Milner, the homophobe, is now claiming that I control his interests and choices. I truly am the "Superstar Cultmaster".

[rstrong]

Seth Milner, the homophobe, is now claiming that I control his interests and choices. I truly am the "Superstar Cultmaster".

Since Mr.B and others declare me a follower because I agree with you on some things, make that "International Superstar Cultmaster."
:angel4:

[Vrede too]

[Seth Milner]

But Davis's crowd, the American religious right, is also known in recent years for lobbying African nations to impose death penalties for being gay.
Citation?

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/190889/ ... -gays-law/
http://www.towleroad.com/2014/12/extrem ... ity-video/
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/232101/ ... -humanity/
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/08 ... -humanity/

You're saying that Kim Davis and the rest of Kentucky's religious crowd are followers of, and have lobbied for the cause of one wacko, radically-religious nutjob? I knew of Scott Lively (Mr.B: Just because one calls oneself a Christian. . . ), but he is one person, and not a representative or spokesman for Christianity. That's why I asked for a citation to your dumb remark. You're grasping at straws. Show me where any other "real Christian" or groups have lobbied for death to homosexuals.

[Seth Milner]

Seth: Apathetic about homosexuality.

Reality:
Most active topic:
The homophobic thread :>
(76 Posts / 16.85% of user’s posts)

So where's my medal? You think (don't hurt yourself) maybe my number of posts in this thread was due to Vrede too and myself bantering back and forth over foolish bullshit? Or that since the fiasco in KY, this thread became the main bitchin' post? Bullshit happens, you know.

Seth Milner, the homophobe, is now claiming that I control his interests and choices. I truly am the "Superstar Cultmaster".

In a reply to what was not even authored by you? Are you Bannination? Don't flatter yourself. If anything, I'm an idiotphobe; Superstar Cultmasters top the list.

[Seth Milner]

Seth Milner, the homophobe, is now claiming that I control his interests and choices. I truly am the "Superstar Cultmaster".

Since Mr.B and others declare me a follower because I agree with you on some things, make that "International Superstar Cultmaster."
:angel4:

Yeah, you're both Superstar legends in your own minds. K---B

[Vrede too]

Very true, it really doesn't take much effort or skill at all to control your interests and choices.

"the American religious right" and "spokesman for Christianity" are different things. Venn diagram much? You're grasping at straws.

In a reply to what was not even authored by you? Are you Bannination? ...

Open forum, crybaby. Don't like it? Use PM.