The LEO thread

[Vrede too]

I'm not making any guesses. The facts so far raise questions for me, it sounds like it might be a hit of some sort, and there are factors that could cause one to look at the husband, but that's as far as I'll go. Of course, that they are from SC makes it all that much more suspicious.

[Seth Milner]

"Authorities said there was "no forced entry" into the home but declined to clarify exactly what that meant."
(Indianapolis Star)

Was she expecting someone? Did hubby intentionally leave the door unlocked? Believe it or not, I got to go with mine and Vrede too too's gut on this one.

[Vrede too]

Yesterday there was an Indy Star article suggesting a possible link to a nearby burglary that same (?) day. We'll see, maybe.

[O Really]

Yesterday there was an Indy Star article suggesting a possible link to a nearby burglary that same (?) day. We'll see, maybe.

Three hours earlier. That would have been around 5-5:30 a.m. Still dark. Like when burglars like to work. I'll bet it's not related.

[Vrede too]

Ah.

[Seth Milner]

"Authorities said there was "no forced entry" into the home but declined to clarify exactly what that meant."
(Indianapolis Star)

Was she expecting someone? Did hubby intentionally leave the door unlocked? Believe it or not, I got to go with mine and Vrede too too's gut on this one.

Yesterday there was an Indy Star article suggesting a possible link to a nearby burglary that same (?) day. We'll see, maybe.

Three hours earlier. That would have been around 5-5:30 a.m. Still dark. Like when burglars like to work. I'll bet it's not related.

I hope I'm wrong , but my investigative instincts tell me that there may be more forthcoming in this investigation. Why was there no signs of forcible entry? Who left the door unlocked (if it was indeed left unlocked intentionally) ? Could it be the wife was involved and wanted to break off the affair now that she's pregnant and her killer (possible lover) went into a killing rage? Did hubby plan this and he left the door unlocked? Was the prior burglary an attempt to throw off police? (The prior burglary netted a few electronics; the house wasn't ransacked.) When doing the autopsy, were DNA samples taken from the baby? As I stated, I hope I'm just blowing smoke.

[O Really]

Well, burglary homicides do occur, just like the one-armed man really (fictionally) existed, but if you start with the probabilities, it doesn't look good for the minister.

According to the University of Chicago Crime Lab, in 2011, Chicago experienced 433 murders. Of those, exactly one Chicago homicide that year was listed under the motive of “burglary.” Another seventeen were listed as domestic altercations. Some of these might have involved a nonresident partner entering someone’s home. These are really unusual crimes, even in a pretty tough city. Nationally, the Bureau of Justice Statistics reports about 100 homicides per year across America that happen in the course of household burglaries. That’s less than 1 percent of U.S. homicides. In contrast, in 2011 about 1,500 women were killed by a partner (or partner's cohort), not counting the numbers of men killed or others by someone they knew that might not have been to the point of "partner." So if we wanted to play with statistics, we'd start with better than 10-1 odds that it was not a random burglary.

[Seth Milner]

There's been no further information from the IMPD, nor from the Indy Star; only the funeral story. My curiosity has been piqued, I'm going to try and keep up with this story. Some folks who live near me know this young man personally, and to hear them tell it, he's the best thing to come along since sliced bread. Hopefully, they're right.

[O Really]

Even sliced bread people sometimes go astray. And many who are astray don't advertise the fact to those who think they're sliced bread. I wouldn't have expected anything out of the police since they'd still be investigating. They've announced that the husband had an alibi, but of course that doesn't mean he isn't involved. Really convenient that he did have such a good alibi. Most people don't have alibis. Think how often you're home alone, or in your car, or at some store where nobody knows you, or out for a walk, yada. But if you were going to have your wife offed, you'd make sure you were somewhere with witnesses who could vouch, right?

[Seth Milner]

Even sliced bread people sometimes go astray. And many who are astray don't advertise the fact to those who think they're sliced bread. I wouldn't have expected anything out of the police since they'd still be investigating. They've announced that the husband had an alibi, but of course that doesn't mean he isn't involved. Really convenient that he did have such a good alibi. Most people don't have alibis. Think how often you're home alone, or in your car, or at some store where nobody knows you, or out for a walk, yada. But if you were going to have your wife offed, you'd make sure you were somewhere with witnesses who could vouch, right?

My point exactly. That "no sign of forcible entry" is what's disturbing to me.

BTW, thanks for being a reasonably-minded poster. You have differing opinions without being an asshole.

[Vrede too]

"no sign of forcible entry" is the least disturbing to me. Lots of people in quiet suburban neighborhoods have unlocked doors, open their doors to knocks or forget to lock their doors in the morning unless the house is empty.

Your incessant passive-aggressive whining is ignored.

[O Really]

Not that I'm an expert, but it's easy to find information on home security. A burglar might knock on the door. They'll see if anyone is home, but if they are, they generally go away. Burglars seek easy targets. Even burglars who get caught by the homeowner usually run, or try to scare the homeowner with a weapon. Really unusual to shoot - noise attracts more attention if nothing else. Unless...the homeowner knew or recognized the burglar. Or unless the "burglar" was really a killer.

[Vrede too]

According to the Indy Star the police are still working the burglary angle. Could be that's what it was or could be that's their public version until they can prove otherwise.

[O Really]

... could be that's their public version until they can prove otherwise.

That would be my guess. At this point, the husband has a personal alibi, and the actual perp is unknown. Unless they buy the highly unlikely "burglary gone bad" scenario, they're going to have to look for some motive from somebody. Nice lady apparently had no enemies, and yet, she's dead. Shot in the head in her own house. And if/when they find the actual doer, I'm betting he'll toss the husband under the bus.

[Seth Milner]

"no sign of forcible entry" is the least disturbing to me. Lots of people in quiet suburban neighborhoods have unlocked doors, open their doors to knocks or forget to lock their doors in the morning unless the house is empty.
A young pretty wife and a one year child left home alone, and he doesn't feel the need to lock the door behind him? Or even "forgot" to lock his door? Come on!

Your incessant passive-aggressive whining is ignored.
Did I mention your name in my post? Does the shoe fit ? Or do you see yourself on your own?
Maybe you think someone else here is trying to up-stage you?

[Seth Milner]

... could be that's their public version until they can prove otherwise.

That would be my guess. At this point, the husband has a personal alibi, and the actual perp is unknown. Unless they buy the highly unlikely "burglary gone bad" scenario, they're going to have to look for some motive from somebody. Nice lady apparently had no enemies, and yet, she's dead. Shot in the head in her own house. And if/when they find the actual doer, I'm betting he'll toss the husband under the bus.

Sort of what I've been saying. Hubby's alibi is very convenient, and the previous neighborhood burglary may have been an attempt to throw the police off, but the police may be keeping that angle under their hat so as not to spook hubby should their investigation come up with his possible involvement. Also this: The shooter, if caught, could claim he was hired by hubby, and if hubby couldn't come up with a viable defense, he himself could be prosecuted. The whole scene is sad and scary. . . for the husband.

[Seth Milner]

Not that I'm an expert, but it's easy to find information on home security. A burglar might knock on the door. They'll see if anyone is home, but if they are, they generally go away. Burglars seek easy targets. Even burglars who get caught by the homeowner usually run, or try to scare the homeowner with a weapon. Really unusual to shoot - noise attracts more attention if nothing else. Unless...the homeowner knew or recognized the burglar. Or unless the "burglar" was really a killer.

She could have startled the burglar and he fired on the spur of the moment; a head-shot though is highly unlikely. No mention (that I recall) where in the house she was found.

[Vrede too]

Your wussy pretense that the subject of your passive-aggressive whining wasn't clear is pathetic.

A young pretty wife and a one year child left home alone, and he doesn't feel the need to lock the door behind him? Or even "forgot" to lock his door? Come on!

Do men with old and/or ugly wives care less about them?

I did not say just him. Other possibilities include:

She kissed him goodbye at the door and didn't lock it.
She went to get the paper and didn't lock the door.
They don't lock the door in the daytime.
The door was locked but she opened it when someone knocked.
The killer entered through some other window or door that was mistakenly left unlocked.

Or, as we've all agreed is possible or likely, hubby was somehow involved and that led to the lack of forced entry.

There are many things that could explain lack of forced entry, it just isn't the most crucial datum to me. Did your "investigations" always begin with a conclusion that excluded all reasonable alternate possibilities?

[Seth Milner]

<more whining noted>

[Vrede too]

You poor illiterate crybaby. That was entirely topical response and, as usual when you've flubbed logic and thoughtfulness along with misreading what I posted, you call it "whining" and run away by suddenly shunning the topic and ducking my 2 questions, pansy.