Gun Legislation

[rstrong]

Is he joking again? The suspense is killing me!

(As opposed to guns, because I'm in a different country.)

[Seth Milner]

Is he joking again? The suspense is killing me!
(As opposed to guns, because I'm in a different country.)

Sort of like keeping a "Pole-ock in suspense", I suppose.

[O Really]

Saw this today. Makes sense to me.


Some words to the wise. If you own a gun, you will appreciate this. If not, you should get one and learn how to use it:
I own firearms and have had extensive training in their use. This is bogus.
A: Guns have only two enemies: rust and politicians.
Most politicians are owned by the NRA - much more friend than enemy. If the politicians did the "people's" work, there would be much more restriction.
B: Its always better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
It's stupid to think those are the only alternatives, or that one should foolishly risk litigation or criminal charges over ego.
C: Cops carry guns to protect themselves, not you.
They are not mutually exclusive. Many cops have used their guns to protect citizens.
D: Never let someone or something that threatens you get inside arms length.
"Never" is a bit limiting. Sometimes you might need to close in to take the threat down.
E: Never say "I've got a gun." If you need to use deadly force, the first sound they hear should be the safety clicking off.
( most preferably the sound of a slug being chambered when you cock your gun)
"Never" is limiting. A cocking sound might be a warning - a warning can also be verbal. If you can get the potential attacker to retreat without shooting, you've done well.
F: The average response time of a 911 call is 23 minutes, the response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second.
According to American Police Beat, the average response time for an emergency call is 10 minutes. Atlanta has the worst response time with 11 to 12 minutes and Nashville comes in at a lightning speed of 9 minutes. Whether or not you need to use the .357 is not dependent on 911 arrival.
G: The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win - cheat if necessary.
There's at least one that's true, but very few civilians will ever be in anything that could be called a gunfight.
H: Make your attacker advance through a wall of bullets . . .
You may get killed with your own gun, but he'll have to beat you to death with it, cause it'll be empty.
If you're in a gun fight:
1. If you're not shooting, you should be loading.
2. If you're not loading, you should be moving,
3. If you're not moving', you're dead.
Nice chatter, but I didn't see anything about aiming.
J: In a life and death situation, do something . . . It may be wrong, but do something!
Preferably do something right after giving it a moments thought. Wrong might get you killed.
K: If you carry a gun, people call you a paranoid gun-hugger. Nonsense! If you have a gun, what do you have to be paranoid about?
(It's called being prepared)
"Prepared" for what? A gun isn't the only answer to all risks and hazards. If you think you need to be "prepared" but have nothing specific to be prepared for, then maybe you are a bit paranoid.

L: You can say 'stop' or 'alto' or any other word, but a large bore muzzle pointed at someone's head is pretty much a universal language.
I'm getting the impression that the original author of this piece has severe self-esteem issues and a really small dick.
M: You cannot save the planet, or prevent mass shootings by owning a gun, but you may be able to save yourself and your family.
True that. Of course there are also a lot whose family gets hurt or killed by their gun.

[Vrede too]

... Now read the article and notice the dates.

So, Seth Milner gets asked about his post by both rstrong and me, his cowardly and childish response is to illiterately compare rstrong to a "Pole-ock (sic)".

Probably just joking, again.

[O Really]

Damn, I haven't heard a "Polack" joke in decades.

[Vrede too]

Ironic when it gets messed up by the joke teller, isn't it?

[Seth Milner]

Damn, I haven't heard a "Polack" joke in decades.

Me neither; hence the incorrect spelling. Now I can say that rstrong is a "Polack" being kept in suspense.
Thanks for the correction.

[Seth Milner]

Ironic when it gets messed up by the joke teller, isn't it?

Wouldn't be the first time. I'm assuming you're the finest of "joke tellers" and never mess up. Narcissistic people are like that.

[Vrede too]

I don't mess up spelling often, and when I do I own it and I'm not as childish as you about it. I would especially appreciate the humor in it if I screwed up while trying to liken someone else to a Polack. You sure are sensitive, poor thing.

More importantly, you're still running away from having been asked about your "notice the dates" post by both rstrong and me, coward. Can't man up and admit you flubbed basic comprehension again?

[Seth Milner]

Saw this today. Makes sense to me.


Some words to the wise. If you own a gun, you will appreciate this. If not, you should get one and learn how to use it:
I own firearms and have had extensive training in their use. This is bogus.
Why is it bogus? Because you own a gun and have had training, does this mean you are the ONLY one who should own a gun?

A: Guns have only two enemies: rust and politicians.
Most politicians are owned by the NRA - much more friend than enemy. If the politicians did the "people's" work, there would be much more restriction.
As evidenced by past posts of the whiney liberals here, gun-ownership is not the biggest issue here; it's downright hatred of the NRA. I own a gun; am trained and LICENSED (not just permitted) to carry it, yet I have no interest in the NRA nor what it stands for.

B: Its always better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
It's stupid to think those are the only alternatives, or that one should foolishly risk litigation or criminal charges over ego.
Enlighten us as to the other alternatives?

C: Cops carry guns to protect themselves, not you.
They are not mutually exclusive. Many cops have used their guns to protect citizens.
Of course they have. British street Bobbies do not carry, but I ask you, why do they call in armed units when they encounter an armed criminal? Why are armed units armed?

D: Never let someone or something that threatens you get inside arms length.
"Never" is a bit limiting. Sometimes you might need to close in to take the threat down.
In what manner?

E: Never say "I've got a gun." If you need to use deadly force, the first sound they hear should be the safety clicking off.
( most preferably the sound of a slug being chambered when you cock your gun)
"Never" is limiting. A cocking sound might be a warning - a warning can also be verbal. If you can get the potential attacker to retreat without shooting, you've done well.
And if you can't get the potential attacker to retreat?

F: The average response time of a 911 call is 23 minutes, the response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second.
According to American Police Beat, the average response time for an emergency call is 10 minutes. Atlanta has the worst response time with 11 to 12 minutes and Nashville comes in at a lightning speed of 9 minutes. Whether or not you need to use the .357 is not dependent on 911 arrival.
I was going to change those times, but decided to leave as is. When should you determine when to use the .357?

G: The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win - cheat if necessary.
There's at least one that's true, but very few civilians will ever be in anything that could be called a gunfight.
Agreed; wrong wording. Change that to being in a life-threatening situation.

H: Make your attacker advance through a wall of bullets . . .
You may get killed with your own gun, but he'll have to beat you to death with it, cause it'll be empty.
If you're in a gun fight:
1. If you're not shooting, you should be loading.
2. If you're not loading, you should be moving,
3. If you're not moving', you're dead.
Nice chatter, but I didn't see anything about aiming.
If you have to aim, your attacker is going to be far enough away for you to make other defensive choices; UNLESS he is preparing to aim as well.

J: In a life and death situation, do something . . . It may be wrong, but do something!
Preferably do something right after giving it a moments thought. Wrong might get you killed.
Hesitating for a moment's thought more than likely will get you killed; no "might" to it.

K: If you carry a gun, people call you a paranoid gun-hugger. Nonsense! If you have a gun, what do you have to be paranoid about?
(It's called being prepared)
"Prepared" for what? A gun isn't the only answer to all risks and hazards. If you think you need to be "prepared" but have nothing specific to be prepared for, then maybe you are a bit paranoid.
You stated you have a CCP. Why do you have it? Since you do have it, where is your weapon that you have the permit for?

L: You can say 'stop' or 'alto' or any other word, but a large bore muzzle pointed at someone's head is pretty much a universal language.
I'm getting the impression that the original author of this piece has severe self-esteem issues and a really small dick.
So if accosted by someone, you should pull out your dick, unless you feel you'll get laughed at? What if you're a female? What is your level of "self-esteem", or faith in the mentality of today's society, especially given that most workplace violence is attributed to a fellow co-worker you would never suspect of violence?

M: You cannot save the planet, or prevent mass shootings by owning a gun, but you may be able to save yourself and your family.
True that. Of course there are also a lot whose family gets hurt or killed by their gun.
You're speaking of in-home carelessness? Otherwise, those instances are much rarer in instances of protecting one's family in a break-in.

[Seth Milner]

I don't mess up spelling often, and when I do I own it
As well as I.

and I'm not as childish as you about it.
Example?

I would especially appreciate the humor in it if I screwed up while trying to liken someone else to a Polack.
You'll have to forgive me; I forgot this is 2015, the Year of Being Offended.

You sure are sensitive, poor thing.
Me. . .? You're the one who runs away from homerfobe's posts, then accuses me of being in league with him!

More importantly, you're still running away from having been asked about your "notice the dates" post by both rstrong and me, coward. Can't man up and admit you flubbed basic comprehension again?
As I once said, just because something's been said, that doesn't mean I'm required to respond. You ought to know that; see prior paragraph.

[Vrede too]

I don't mess up spelling often, and when I do I own it
As well as I.

Lie, as usual, you whined about me noticing.

and I'm not as childish as you about it.
Example?

You whined about me noticing your spelling flub.

I would especially appreciate the humor in it if I screwed up while trying to liken someone else to a Polack.
You'll have to forgive me; I forgot this is 2015, the Year of Being Offended.

No one has expressed offense over "Pole-ock (sic)", you fail comprehension again. The only offense that's been posted is your whining about me noticing your spelling flub.

You ducked the point, wuss.

You sure are sensitive, poor thing.
Me. . .? You're the one who runs away from homerfobe's posts,

Wussy deflecting lie, as usual, I have him on ignore because I don't see the value in his posts that a fanboy like you does. When you quote him adoringly I do respond.

then accuses me of being in league with him!

Lie, as usual, I accurately said you "defend the racist pig". You ran away, as usual.

More importantly, you're still running away from having been asked about your "notice the dates" post by both rstrong and me, coward. Can't man up and admit you flubbed basic comprehension again?
As I once said, just because something's been said, that doesn't mean I'm required to respond. You ought to know that; see prior paragraph.

Ah, but you did respond, liar, just with childish deflection rather than explaining your own "notice the dates" post when asked to. As is clear, you just can't man up and admit you flubbed basic comprehension and the Australia reality that you lied about, poor thing.

[O Really]

Rather than further clutter up the thread, I'll address Seth's questions here...
My owning a firearm has nothing to do with others ownership or use. I state my own situation to avoid being lumped into "gun haters."

Yes, I, and many others, have a fire-eyed raging, spit-flying, screaming opposition to the NRA. If you want to call it hatred, I won't object. That also has nothing to do with citizens owning guns. The NRA has, over a few decades, become way more powerful in imposing its will on legislative bodies far beyond the preferences of even its own members. It is solely responsible for the legislators losing their nuts on anything related to firearm legislation. It does not come close to representing all firearm owners (such as you and me), much less the rest of the population, but their legislative power has so far been unlimited.

The "carried by 6" bumper sticker slogan is essentially encouraging a "shoot first-ask questions later" mentality. Kinda fun when you're sitting around having beers on the back of the pickup, but it's not so much in ones self interest in real life. Better alternatives include (a) efforts to avoid being in life-threatening danger, or to defuse a potential problem; (b) walk/run away if possible, etc. Those "12", even in Florida, will want to make sure you really had a defensive reason to use lethal force.

As to the wait for 911, it's not necessarily related to your use of the firearm. What determines whether to use your firearm is whether you or others are in direct life-threatening danger. So if you see somebody rummaging around in your yard, call 911 and wait. If he bangs on the door, get your firearm and wait. If he breaks in, fire away.

As to why I have a CCP, I had several risk factors in my life. I lived in an area that, while nice itself, was close to some high-crime areas; I spent a good bit of time alone on the road, frequently at night and on either interstates or lesser traveled secondary roads, and I go out on trails and streams in the middle of nowhere. I've had several close calls with workplace violence, and work in a field (labor relations) that sometimes generates, ummm, "resentment." So I got some really good training (at what was at the time Massad Ayoob's "Lethal Force Institute"), bought and practiced with firearm appropriate for my home and away needs, and got training for "Mrs. O Really." Most of the time in my present life, I don't have many likely risks, so I don't feel a need to pack heat to the local grocery. I've got good household security and a dog with a nice voice. So I don't carry firearms around inside, but both "Mrs. O Really" and I keep them available in the unlikely event they're needed.

I would have no problem registering my firearms, or having to get a license to own, or being required to get more training than is currently required for the laughably easy to get CCP. I'd have no problem with a more extensive background check, or limits on particular firearms that are available for purchase. It's not like there aren't a lot of choices for any legitimate need.

[Sometime Lefty]

I own a gun; am trained and LICENSED (not just permitted) to carry it, ...

What the fuck does that even mean? CCP is shorthand. Here in Florida mine says on the top line "concealed weapon or firearm license". I'm sure there is really no difference between a ccp and a ccl except in your small mind. Got a really big gun???

[Vrede too]

Its (sic) always better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

It's stupid to think those are the only alternatives, or that one should foolishly risk litigation or criminal charges over ego.

"always"?

Not only what O Really says but,
What if you miss and kill or maim a child or other innocent?
What if there was no real threat, just the fear of the world you've expressed in so many ways here?
What if you caused the confrontation with your stupidity?
What if you are the home invader or other criminal? You've just told them all that they should be armed and use their weapon if challenged.
What if the "12" give you the death penalty for your bad shoot?

Unlike you, I think there are worse things, things I would not want to live with, than my own death. Your ignorant pop-psych whining about "narcissist" in others is really just wussy projection.

[Seth Milner]

Rather than further clutter up the thread, I'll address Seth's questions here...

Then we're in agreement. Thank you for a civil, un-snot-filled reply.

[Seth Milner]

I own a gun; am trained and LICENSED (not just permitted) to carry it, ...

What the fuck does that even mean? CCP is shorthand. Here in Florida mine says on the top line "concealed weapon or firearm license". I'm sure there is really no difference between a ccp and a ccl except in your small mind. Got a really big gun???

You are a special kind of stupid, aren't you? Oh wait, Florida. Never mind. No "small" wonder your name is Sometime Lefty; your mind stay out in left field much? I'm LICENSED in 33 states, not just CCP/CCL permitted. Not got a "really big gun", just a "really big" reason to carry one. Next question?

[Vrede too]

Rather than further clutter up the thread, I'll address Seth's questions here...

Then we're in agreement....

Ummm, he disagreed with you on just about every point in detail, ones that you as usual deleted from your reply and ran away from. You fail English and honesty, again.

[O Really]

BTW.the terms "permit" and "license" are generically interchangeable in regard to concealed carry. Terminology may vary from state to state, but it's all the same.

[Seth Milner]

Rather than further clutter up the thread, I'll address Seth's questions here...

Then we're in agreement....

Ummm, he disagreed with you on just about every point in detail, ones that you as usual deleted from your reply and ran away from. You fail English and honesty, again.

Of course.