Gun Legislation

[Seth Milner]

Vegetarian: ancient Indian word for lousy hunter.

[O Really]

Vegetarian: ancient Indian word for lousy hunter.

[Seth Milner]

I believe his feelings about gunning down innocent children are genuine; but. . . where are the tears for the innocent children whose mothers couldn't keep their legs closed?

[billy.pilgrim]

Who is chopping up babies?

[rstrong]

Who is chopping up babies?

Republican candidate Carly popularized the claim made in a video created by an anti-abortion group, and falsely linked the claims to Planned Parenthood. And so within a few days in Colorado Springs there was a massacre in a women's healthcare clinic, with the gunman citing the claim ("No more baby parts") as his motivation.

The video has been thoroughly debunked, but obviously it still works to con hopelessly gullible and goddamned stupid nutjobs. Which makes it inevitable that Seth Milner would be posting the claim to forums.

[Seth Milner]

Who is chopping up babies?

Republican candidate Carly popularized the claim made in a video created by an anti-abortion group, and falsely linked the claims to Planned Parenthood. And so within a few days in Colorado Springs there was a massacre in a women's healthcare clinic, with the gunman citing the claim ("No more baby parts") as his motivation.

The video has been thoroughly debunked, but obviously it still works to con hopelessly gullible and goddamned stupid nutjobs. Which makes it inevitable that Seth Milner would be posting the claim to forums.

Not thoroughly debunked, my highly offended friend; you know that. Here's you another hopelessly "goddamned stupid" act of murder by one of your abortion loving nut-jobs; note carefully the loving tenderness in which the hapless fetus undergoes at the hands of it's murderer who needed no gun to murder; enjoy the show, it's only 41 seconds long:



(You really get your panties twisted in a giant knot over the subject of abortion; tell us who, in your family, underwent an abortion that sends you into such a protective frenzy.)

[rstrong]

Not thoroughly debunked,

Actually yes, quite thoroughly.

- Planned Parenthood exists.
- *Part* of what it does is abortions.
- Some tissue does go to medical research.

Beyond that, most of what's in the video is pure BS meant to con stupid gullible wingnuts like yourself. They used highly deceptive editing, mixed with video and images having nothing to do with Planned Parenthood. There's no selling for profit and no live babies involved as the videos and Fiorina claim.

Officials in Georgia, Indiana, Massachusetts, South Dakota, and Kansas have investigated and failed to find any evidence of Planned Parenthood clinics breaking any state laws concerning the collection of fetal tissues. The state of Pennsylvania has also cleared Planned Parenthood of any wrongdoing. In September, the Missouri Attorney General found no evidence that the state's only clinic that provides abortion services mishandled any fetal tissues. The report stated, "As a result of our investigation, the Office of the Missouri Attorney General has found no evidence that (Planned Parenthood) has engaged in unlawful disposal of fetal organs and tissue."

On October 8, 2015, Representative Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, stated that the GOP investigation found no evidence of wrongdoing by Planned Parenthood.

[Vrede too]

Seth Milner fails investigating, again.

[Seth Milner]

Seth Milner fails investigating, again.

Not really; only in your little mind. What's funny here is your claiming that I'm so big a coward that I have to go out in public carrying a concealed weapon; while failing to admit that as a CCW opponent and an equally jelly-kneed coward, you're too damn scared to go out in public because there are people carrying concealed weapons. Impasse?
I threw in this abortion junk to emphasize the hypocrisy of you gun alarmists who are so fearful for your well-being, yet turning away from the issue of legalized murder in the name of choice. I notice you nor your Canadian doppelganger had any smart-ass remarks about the "pure BS" video I posted. Where's that professional compassion for life that you so vehemently cling to? Vrede too fails at life, again. rsyrong fails. . . well, he's just a failure to begin with.

[billy.pilgrim]

Seth Milner fails investigating, again.

Not really; only in your little mind. What's funny here is your claiming that I'm so big a coward that I have to go out in public carrying a concealed weapon; while failing to admit that as a CCW opponent and an equally jelly-kneed coward, you're too damn scared to go out in public because there are people carrying concealed weapons. Impasse?
I threw in this abortion junk to emphasize the hypocrisy of you gun alarmists who are so fearful for your well-being, yet turning away from the issue of legalized murder in the name of choice. I notice you nor your Canadian doppelganger had any smart-ass remarks about the "pure BS" video I posted. Where's that professional compassion for life that you so vehemently cling to? Vrede too fails at life, again. rsyrong fails. . . well, he's just a failure to begin with.

Isn't the video that Seth posted the one with a stillborn baby. If so, that was proven to have nothing to do with PP according to the pissed off right to life mother who claims that the video of her child was illegally used without her permission

[rstrong]

Seth Milner fails investigating, again.

I threw in this abortion junk to emphasize the hypocrisy of you gun alarmists who are so fearful for your well-being, yet turning away from the issue of legalized murder in the name of choice.

**YOU** are the "gun alarmist." Someone who squeals like a piggy that your guns are being taken away, because a Democrat takes the recently Republican, recently NRA position that background checks are needed to keep guns out of the hands of felons and the mentally ill.

Again, if you want to link the two issues, it goes both ways. You're so fearful about your guns, yet you turn away from the issue of near-daily mass murders and near-daily stories of children being killed by guns casually left laying around.

Seth Milner fails investigating, again.

I notice you nor your Canadian doppelganger had any smart-ass remarks about the "pure BS" video I posted. Where's that professional compassion for life that you so vehemently cling to? Vrede too fails at life, again. rsyrong fails. . . well, he's just a failure to begin with.

I can't see your embedded video, or any others. *Links* to YouTube videos I can see, but I can only guess when there's one embedded.

Not that I would have watched it anyway. Your "My video claim was thoroughly debunked, so here's a *different* gross-out video" post gave no reason to do so. Give some credible evidence that it came from Planned Parenthood, and that would be different.

Look, I could easily support a ban on late-term abortions. Except of course in the case of rape or incest. But the "every sperm is sacred" / "an embryo even before significant brain development is a human" position, I can't. You're basing that on religious faith, not reason.

(BTW, besides all the biblical quotes showing that Christian mythology has no problem with abortion, there's another issue for Christians: 25% of embryos are naturally aborted by the sixth week. Making God by far the biggest abortionist - or baby murderer as you would call him - there is.)

I've said before about PETA: Their tactics - linking meat consumption to murdered women, demanding pure veganism, etc. - have painted animal rights supporters as a bunch of wingnuts. In turn preventing real protective measures from serious discussion.

That's how Republicans want the abortion issue. An anti-Democrat rallying cry during elections, but once the election is over, Republican are consistently in lock-step with Democrats on the issue. (Yes, really.) It's an EFFECTIVE rallying cry, and they wouldn't want a late-term abortion ban to diminish it. And so rather than calling for reasonable measures like a late-term ban, they shake their pom-poms for extremist positions they know won't fly. Banning on even early-term abortion. Banning abortion for rape and incest victims. Presidential candidates like Santorum calling a pregnancy from rape "a gift from God." Bans on funding contraceptives and birth control, knowing full well that this *increases* the number of abortions. And of course their latest tactic, linking ANY women's medical issue and related funding to abortion.

It won't stop or lessen abortion, but it brings in the votes from the hopelessly gullible and goddamned stupid. And here you are.

[Vrede too]

Seth Milner fails investigating, again.

Not really; only in your little mind.

As rstrong details, your claims about PP have been "thoroughly debunked". Not my problem that your balls are too little to admit it.

What's funny here is your claiming that I'm so big a coward that I have to go out in public carrying a concealed weapon;

Your pants-wetting cowardice is well established, from your gunhugging to your first foray here in the "Free Range Kids" thread to your inability to ever admit clear factual error. Own it.

while failing to admit that as a CCW opponent and an equally jelly-kneed coward, you're too damn scared to go out in public because there are people carrying concealed weapons. Impasse?

You lie, again. It's only in your pitifully projecting, fantasizing little mind. I've never claimed to be scared and I chose a career far more dangerous than you did, with my second healthcare job being in East Oakland during the peak of the crack turf wars there.

I threw in this abortion junk to emphasize the hypocrisy

You fail English, again. There is no hypocrisy in prioritizing female autonomy in healthcare.

of you gun alarmists who are so fearful for your well-being,

Fantasizing, again.

yet turning away from the issue of legalized murder

You fail Science, Law and English, again.

in the name of choice.

We get it, you hate freedom and adore Big Brother so much that you want him to be your twisted proxy in women's wombs. Ick.

I notice you nor your Canadian doppelganger had any smart-ass remarks about the "pure BS" video I posted.

I don't waste my time opening your posts, idiot. billy.pilgrim has responded and now rstrong has. You'll whine, divert and run away, as usual.

Where's that professional compassion for life that you so vehemently cling to?

I choose actual patients over theoretical ones.

Vrede too fails at life, again. rsyrong fails. . . well, he's just a failure to begin with.

That is so stupid! I chose saving life and enhancing health while you chose a desk.

[Vrede too]

... I've said before about PETA: Their tactics - linking meat consumption to murdered women, demanding pure veganism, etc. - have painted animal rights supporters as a bunch of wingnuts. In turn preventing real protective measures from serious discussion....

Not that I agree with all of PETA's tactics or goals but it's been incredibly successful, both with it's own aims and with creating space for the less militant groups like HSUSA and the SPCAs. You sound a little like the moderates that supported civil rights but wanted blacks to be less "uppity" in demanding them.

[rstrong]

You sound a little like the moderates that supported civil rights but wanted blacks to be less "uppity" in demanding them.

Bullshit. We're talking about a group that blames autism on drinking milk. Plus cancer, Crohn’s disease and other problems.

A decade ago I had a letter in the local paper, opposite a letter from a PETA staff writer:

PETA's new anti-meat campaign demeaning the murdered women in B.C. is business as usual for them.

A PETA billboard in Boston compared the suffering of cattle to that of Jews in Nazi Germany.

They recently tried to put up a billboard in Santa Fe featuring a pig with the caption: "He Died for Your Sins."

I have a personal theory that PETA is a front for the beef, pork and chicken industries. A popular and respected animal rights movement would lead to higher and more expensive standards for raising farm animals. To prevent this, they've created an organization with so much disgraceful publicity that the term "animal rights group" becomes synonymous with "a bunch of wingnuts."

PETA repeatedly attacks groups like the March of Dimes, the Pediatric AIDS Foundation, and the American Cancer Society for conducting animal testing to find cures for birth defects and life-threatening diseases. They've urged Yasser Arafat to spare animals in suicide bombings, with no concern for the humans who were being killed.

This keeps rational people away from the animal rights cause. If PETA didn't exist, the beef and pork industries would be smart to create an organization just like them.

I still stand by this position.

[Seth Milner]

Isn't the video that Seth posted the one with a stillborn baby. If so, that was proven to have nothing to do with PP according to the pissed off right to life mother who claims that the video of her child was illegally used without her permission

Sure billy; stillborn babies wiggle and writhe in pain as evidenced in the very beginning of that video. Where's the complaint posted?

[Vrede too]

Again, "Not that I agree with all of PETA's tactics or goals", I'm just disputing your opinion of its effectiveness. Radicals win some fights and they make the less radical look more reasonable.

[rstrong]

Again, "Not that I agree with all of PETA's tactics or goals", I'm just disputing your opinion of its effectiveness.

There are a lot of animal welfare, animal rights and animal advocacy groups, many with good success stories. Making more noise is not the same as being the more effective, let alone responsible for animal protection successes.

[Vrede too]

All of them benefited from PETA's contribution to making it a mainstream issue and from its moving the radical end of the spectrum further out there.

[rstrong]

That's one opinion. The other is that PETA radicalism has painted the entire movement as a bunch of wingnuts.

Those with power who would be sympathetic to the moderates in a movement, are kept away by fear that they'll be associated with the far louder extremists. You see it in politics all the time.

Black Lives Matter for example: Some marchers at the Minnesota State Fair using a BLM banner were recorded in a video chanting, "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon." It doesn't matter that this doesn't represent the view of the vast majority of the movement. It's what Fox News uses to paint the entire movement. And Republican candidates know that if they express support for the movement, it's what they'll be painted with too.

[billy.pilgrim]

Isn't the video that Seth posted the one with a stillborn baby. If so, that was proven to have nothing to do with PP according to the pissed off right to life mother who claims that the video of her child was illegally used without her permission

Sure billy; stillborn babies wiggle and writhe in pain as evidenced in the very beginning of that video. Where's the complaint posted?

Sorry seth, but I rarely open your links. That is why I asked if it was the fake one used by the filmmaker and the one that pathological liar figorina keeps lying about