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JTA wrote:I miss Herman Cain as the token black GOP presidential candidate.
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homerfobe wrote:That means your proof positive that once you've tried a black man? :lol: The truth comes out. (no pun intended)
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homerfobe is revealing that for him the only people to "miss" in life are the men he's had sex with.
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The most respected Iowa pollster's final caucus poll is out. Here's what it says.

... Trump in first among likely caucusgoers with 28 percent, Ted Cruz in second with 23 percent, and Marco Rubio in third with 15 percent. Ben Carson is in fourth with 10 percent, and no other candidate gets more than 5 percent support.

... On the Democratic side, Hillary Clinton is ahead with 45 percent among likely caucusgoers, followed by Bernie Sanders with 42 percent. Martin O'Malley is very far back, with just 3 percent....
Close-ish for Trump.
Very close for the Dems and I'm not sure there will be a real win or loss.
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Vrede tu tu wrote: homerfobe is revealing that for him the only people to "miss" in life are the men he's had sex with.
We all know that's a crock of horse shit. Wasn't me that chose a career as a pecker-checker, Mr. Nursie-poo. Besides, a male that would turn his sexual desires to another male is only a male of his species, he's no man. There's males and females, man and wo-man, so such thing IRL as
she-male. A male can have his dick cut off, his chest and ass packed with silicone, and shave his asshole, but that don't make him a female. Inside he's still a male, but as long as he's turned to other men for sex, he's never been a MAN. You're only squealing the typical faggot cry that anyone who hates faggots are closet faggots, and that's to draw attention from their miserable, low-life existence. This being said, go ahead and get in your final licks (pun intended) and your cute little faggot defending replies, I'm gone. :wave: I'm settling down with my socialist earned pension while you continue your miserable everyday drudgery checking out fags and twat twinkies.
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homerfobe wrote:...
And yet here you are, ranting and raving about homosexuality, in an unrelated topic. As always it's the ONLY thing you talk about.

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O Really wrote:The fact that the cartoon's author would see the list as desirable "menu" items vs. "leftovers" expresses more of an anti-Hillary opinion than an analysis. Some pretty big names in past Presidents, and particularly on the Republican side were "leftovers" before being elected.
True that; this was the only political cartoon I saw that reflected anywhere near the field of candidates that are running for office of POTUS. One of the most frustrating issues I had with the debates (both parties) was the moderators not spreading the questioning out evenly; i.e., with 3 candidates present, (who's Martin O’Malley?) the gist of questioning went to Clinton and Sanders. It was as though O'Malley wasn't even there. Same in the GOP "debates" . . . Trump and Cruz pretty much dominated the fielded questions, with Jeb and Christy getting in a few licks here and there. I think it was Rand Paul that reminded the moderators that there were other candidates there that would like to have a part in the "debate"; not that it did any good. I can't even recall the names of the other GOP candidates. . . :-0?> So----in essence, those who are not top contenders are . . . leftovers.


Hillary has no more baggage than anybody else in public life for more than 25 years, and a lot of that has been created out of whole cloth. Not that she doesn't have real issues, but if she does become the nominee, there will be enthusiastic support. Why? Like her or not, she's got a good chance to win, and everybody likes to win even if they take that win holding their nose.
Like in 2008?

Besides, there isn't any credible analyst who would not say the large "menu" and particularly some of the more exotic offerings is detrimental to overall success of the meal.

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l don't think the debate moderators or the press is under any obligation to treat every candidate equally. Some have no business being there at all and don't deserve to be taken seriously or given credibility. Just because anybody can file and announce their candidacy for President doesn't mean they've earned respect. O'Malley is a good guy with all the paper credentials to be President and would probably be decent at it. But nobody knows him, he has no following outside of maybe Maryland, and hasn't done anything to improve it. It's not the moderator's job to give him exposure he hasn't done for himself. And with the Republican bottom-feeders, giving Santorum, Huckabee, or Carson, etc. time is just feeding the trolls.

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With only 3 in it, I hope O'Malley is given a fair shake. I can see the reason for some winnowing among the Repubs.
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Vrede too wrote:With only 3 in it, I hope O'Malley is given a fair shake. I can see the reason for some winnowing among the Repubs.
It is easier with only three. And I don't think they ought to intentionally ignore him. But debate performance notwithstanding, I don't see he's done much for team O'Malley. I think maybe he's running for VP, or maybe just to build a little recognition for next time. Too bad, too. It would be nice if he was competitive.

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An email revelation/indictment could knock Hillary out and Bernie could have a stroke. Then, things would change for O'Malley. Or, Biden gets drafted.
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Vrede too wrote:An email revelation/indictment could knock Hillary out and Bernie could have a stroke. Then, things would change for O'Malley. Or, Biden gets drafted.
Yeah he'd move up to second behind "Generic Democrat."
Look, I'm not bashing the guy. I wish he were a better candidate. I wish he was a dynamic, light-up-the-crowd sort of guy that instead of asking "who's he?" people would ask "Wow! Who IS that guy jumping buildings?" But no. For whatever reason(s), he's low-key (which may be worse than Bush's "low-energy") and hasn't the money, organization, or interest in getting to start status.

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Agreed, I just meant that politics gets weird sometimes. If not for the "I Have A Scream" speech, might Howard Dean have been the nominee and beaten Shrub in 2004? Like much of lefty America, I haven't bothered looking that closely at O'Malley. What would be the point?
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Campaigns do frequently turn on minor incidents, don't they? Riding tanks, 47%ers, primal screams, etc. And also on dirty tricks like fast-boating, things out of your control like Iran hostages, and voter stupidity like the Florida idiots who voted for Nader. Kinda makes you think all the money spent on campaigns might could be put to better use, doesn't it?

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Burning it for low income heating would be a better use.
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O Really wrote:Campaigns do frequently turn on minor incidents, don't they? Riding tanks, 47%ers, primal screams, etc. And also on dirty tricks like fast-boating, things out of your control like Iran hostages, and voter stupidity like the Florida idiots who voted for Nader. Kinda makes you think all the money spent on campaigns might could be put to better use, doesn't it?


I voted for nader. At the time I still believed the American public had some degree of intelligence above the moron level and even if gore didn't win, 4 years with the idiot shrub would ruin the repug party for 20 years. 911 hysteria changed that.
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I probably voted for Nader, too, but not in a state where it mattered. Anyhow, Gore messed up both before and after election day, and Clinton disaffected liberals before that. Then, there were all the people that stayed home, the legit voters prevented from voting, the funky ballots and funkier SCOTUS. It's not fair to lay it all on Nader and his 97,488 (1.635%) Fl voters, many of whom might not have voted at all. Less than 500 counted votes the other way and some would be blaming Patrick J. Buchanan (17,484, 0.293% ), Harry Browne (16,415, 0.275%) and/or Curtis Frazier (1,371, 0.023%).

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Nader's late-1990s lobbying against Microsoft was a firehose of bullshit. He may have started out defending the public interest, but by the 2000 election he had a Huckabee/Cruz level of demagoguery and dishonesty. Given the choice between him and Bush II, I would have voted for Bush II. Even in hindsight.

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billy.pilgrim wrote:... I still believed the American public had some degree of intelligence above the moron level ....
Well I certainly hope you've been thoroughly cleansed of that demon.

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Vrede too wrote:I probably voted for Nader, too, but not in a state where it mattered. Anyhow, Gore messed up both before and after election day, and Clinton disaffected liberals before that. Then, there were all the people that stayed home, the legit voters prevented from voting, the funky ballots and funkier SCOTUS. It's not fair to lay it all on Nader and his 97,488 (1.635%) Fl voters, many of whom might not have voted at all. Less than 500 counted votes the other way and some would be blaming Patrick J. Buchanan (17,484, 0.293% ), Harry Browne (16,415, 0.275%) and/or Curtis Frazier (1,371, 0.023%).

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I know, blaming it on Nader voters (or Nader) is like blaming the kicker for missing a potential winning kick in the last second. Took a whole game to get to that point, and if the team had done better in the first 59.5 minutes they wouldn't have been behind. But still, with the opportunity to go ahead, a miss is a miss. And Nader's people put a wrench in the process. No different from recognizing that Perot had an effect on electing Clinton, just smaller numbers.

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O Really wrote:
billy.pilgrim wrote:... I still believed the American public had some degree of intelligence above the moron level ....
Well I certainly hope you've been thoroughly cleansed of that demon.

Not completely, I voted for Bugs Bunny in 2012, but only regups were running for pres, so maybe that doesn't count
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billy.pilgrim wrote:... I voted for Bugs Bunny in 2012, but only regups were running for pres ...
:D

Fascinating.

Were a certain number of supposed Trump fans joking all along? If so, good one. 3-way race now, but Trump may not survive being proved vulnerable. Will mean crazy GOP pick Cruz or slightly less mean crazy, establishment GOP pick Rubio? Either way, a Cuban nominee? Carson's fading and the others including Jeb (3% :D ) are on life support.

The Dems split right down the middle between a one-time "fringe" progressive and the progressive idea of nominating a woman. Bernie will win NH, then . . . ? Although I don't like early votes and thus such an early campaign season, good on NC for finally giving us the possibility of relevance if it all does have to start so early.

It may have happened but I don't remember ever being POTUS primary relevant. May happen this year whichever ballot I choose (probably Dem, there are many down-ticket contests). If folks have opinions on the lesser races, please share them. I haven't started researching yet.
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