The Religion Thread

[Vrede too]

I don't see any "ordering" in your link.

Of course you don't. That's your specialty. But not only is its obvious for those with an ounce of honesty, it's central to what the church is saying.

On Seth Milner's planet the church deeming something a mortal sin that will condemn such sinners to eternity in Hell is not "ordering". "He" is a special kind of stupid.

[Seth Milner]

I repeat: You two are so much alike.

Oh, right. The wingnut creed: It's impossible for more than one person to disagree with your goddamned stupid claims, so they must be the same person or conspiracy.

tsk tsk . . . temper, temper. Go get Mommy to wash your mouth out.
When two people, such as you and you-know-who think identically alike and live only to debunk someone else, you two become so much alike. haha . . . own it.

[Seth Milner]

On Seth Milner's planet the church deeming something a mortal sin that will condemn such sinners to eternity in Hell is not "ordering".
"He" is a special kind of stupid.

own it.

[rstrong]

Oh, right. The wingnut creed: It's impossible for more than one person to disagree with your goddamned stupid claims, so they must be the same person or conspiracy.

tsk tsk . . . temper, temper. Go get Mommy to wash your mouth out.
When two people, such as you and you-know-who think identically alike and live only to debunk someone else, you two become so much alike. haha . . . own it.

Typical Seth Milner. A priest could proudly boast of sodomizing little boys, and Seth would only be concerned about the language. Should more than one person criticized the priest for his actions, Seth wouldn't understand why, and would instead declare them incapable of independent thought.

[Vrede too]

Debunking is a bad thing? Figures.

Seth Milner conveniently changed "his" tune since "he" was the one debunking people that claimed to not be corrupt. There's nothing more pitiful than someone that dishes it out then whines like a toddler when served up "his" own medicine.

[Seth Milner]

Typical Seth Milner. . . . <whine> <whine>. . .

[quote="Vrede too, while dishing out plenty of what "he" can't take,"] Seth Milner . . . <whine> <whine>. . . [/quote]


aren't they so cute together?

[billy.pilgrim]

fairy tales, witch doctors, profits and the nuts who believe them suck

What A 19th Century Campaign To Declare Mormons ‘Non-White’ Tells Us About Modern Islamophobia


http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/0 ... 9cd005e47e


Much has been written about the unprecedented wave of Islamophobia currently sweeping the United States, with Muslim Americans are falling victim to an ever-increasing number of threats, assaults, and attacks on their houses of worship. The groundswell of hatred has appalled and confused many on the Left, with some wondering how a nation such as the United States — which enshrines religious freedom for citizens in the First Amendment to its Constitution — could ever create an environment that openly oppresses a single faith group.

But if history tells us anything, it’s that religious bigotry isn’t just common in the United States, it’s as American as apple pie. In fact, laudable ideals of religious freedom notwithstanding, our country has actively demeaned, belittled, and persecuted minority faith groups since the colonial era.
The early Puritans, themselves refugees from religious persecution, banned rival faiths and hanged those who worshipped differently
The tragic irony of the effort to dismiss Mormons as non-white was how hard the faith group worked to recast itself as white in response.

They stopped ordaining black men into the priesthood, and they stopped letting black women and men into the temples in an effort to claim whiteness for themselves,” Reeve said, speaking of the 19th century. “

[rstrong]

Down in South America, thanks to the Zika virus, health officials are recommending that women put off getting pregnant.

"These include the correct and consistent use of condoms, one of the most effective methods of protection against all sexually transmitted infections," the WHO said.

Naturally, the church is doubling down on ordering women NOT to use contraception.

Credit where credit is due:

Pope Says Contraception Is Okay by Him for Women in Zika Countries

[Vrede too]

About time. Could it be said that the Catholic Church has killed more than anyone since at least WWII if not longer?

[Vrede too]

"Missionary" work in deepest, darkest Hooterville:

Wednesday, March 9, at 6:00 PM
Kaplan Auditorium
Hendersonville Public Library
301 N. Washington Street
Hendersonville, NC 28739

Reception at 8:00 PM
Inn on Church
201 3rd Ave W.
Hendersonville, NC 28739

Questions? phillip@auwnc.org or 828.777.1978

Western North Carolina Chapter of Americans United presents

Conversations on God and Government with

The Rev. Barry W. Lynn
Executive Director, Americans United for Separation of Church & State

&

J. Brent Walker
Executive Director, the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty

Q & A after presentations
Please send questions in advance to phillip@auwnc.org

Then join us for a
Book Signing Reception
8:00pm
The Inn on Church
201 3rd Ave W.
Hendersonville, NC 28739
(a short walk from the library)

Copies of Rev. Lynn's latest book, God & Government: Twenty-Five Years of Fighting for Equality, Secularism, and Freedom Of Conscience, will be available at the reception.

Email phillip@auwnc.org or call 828.696.4990 for more information.

http://www.auwnc.org/event.html

Free and open to the public. All are invited to attend.

[Boatrocker]

St. Louis Archbishop Takes On Girl Scouts Over 'Troubling Pattern of Behavior'

Some fucking nerve, there, Archbishop. Some fucking nerve.

[rstrong]

St. Louis Archbishop Takes On Girl Scouts Over 'Troubling Pattern of Behavior'

Some fucking nerve, there, Archbishop. Some fucking nerve.

Occasionally they church will release a statement indicating that they shouldn't be dropped into the dustbin of history. But they're inevitably drowned out by someone like the Archbishop yelling "SWAN DIVE!!!"

[rstrong]

From this week's News of the Weird:

(1) Angel Rivera, 49, was arrested in December in Orlando, Florida, on allegations that he punched a child in the face because the boy was not getting dressed for church fast enough. (The boy was wearing an ankle brace, which slowed him down.)
(2) Ryan Dailey, 28, was arrested in Las Cruces, New Mexico, in February on several charges after, police said, he beat his mother by pounding her with a Bible. His explanation, police said, was that when he asked her who her soul belonged to, she repeatedly declined to answer.
[WKMG-TV (Orlando), 12-21-2015] [Las Cruces Sun-News, 2-9-2016]

[Vrede too]

[Vrede too]

S-M has been advocating “religious freedom”, like for Kim Davis. Here's an example of it in practice:

Lousy Landlord: RV Park Owner Allegedly Booted Couple Because His Church Opposes Interracial Marriage

[rstrong]

[Vrede too]

Graphics Gaffe: Company Refuses To Make Rainbow Logo For N.D. Church

The latest victim of a religion-based refusal is none other than a church.

Yes, you read that correctly.

St. Mark’s Lutheran Church in Fargo, N.D., was looking for a new logo. So it reached out to a local company, Custom Graphics Inc., to discuss its needs.

Initially, the meetings seemed to go well. At an early get together with Custom Graphics to discuss the rainbow logo, the church said no objections were raised.

“Everyone was on board. They were really excited about it,” Adam Johnston, a member of St. Mark’s council, told The Bismarck Tribune. “And then within a week, we get an email saying, ‘Nope, we’re done. We’re not doing it.’”

The source of the service denial seems to be Custom Graphics General Manager Zach Paxton, who decided he didn’t want the LGBT-friendly church’s job.

“The business was declined respectfully,” Paxton told the newspaper. “I didn't mean any offense by it or anything like that.”

Paxton added that he would have no problem doing other work for the church, but felt he had to draw the line because the rainbow would support a LGBT “agenda.”

“If they would come with something to be manufactured or such, no problem,” he said. “But this is trying to come up with a logo and help them come up with ways to promote their agenda.”

In an amusing twist, Custom Graphics’ own logo happens to contain rainbow colors. Paxton apparently lacks a sense of irony.

He also lacks a sense of perspective. Paxton seems to feel he did not discriminate against the church, though The Tribune did not elaborate on why he feels that way.

Fortunately, not everyone agrees. That includes at least one state lawmaker – and Paxton’s boss.

Paxton admitted to the newspaper that his boss (a relative) didn’t agree with the service refusal and intended to issue an apology to the church.

But that may not be the end of the story. State Rep. Joshua Boschee (D-Fargo), the state’s first openly gay lawmaker, encouraged the church to file a report with the North Dakota Department of Labor and Human Rights – even though the state does not currently ban discrimination based on sexual orientation.

“We don’t allow businesses to say that they’re not going to design a graphic for someone who is Muslim or someone who is disabled or someone that’s a single parent because we recognize that that’s just a form of discrimination that’s not a North Dakota value,” he told The Tribune.

While we don’t know yet how this situation will turn out, it is certainly notable even among the many reported instances of religion-based refusals. When a Christian church is discriminated against for not being the “right kind” of Christian, it shows that there really is no limit to the Religious Right’s intolerant game.

Let’s hope that Paxton’s boss gives bigotry the boot and gives St. Mark’s the logo it sought.

[Seth Milner]

It's always amusing to see homosexual & transgender groups compare the public's dislike of their lifestyle with that of skin color, religion, financial status, and disability. Oh well, I suppose they need some sort of straw to grasp for.

As far as this United for Separation bunch, here's the bottom line:

In these times of increasing fanaticism and heated rhetoric, Americans United needs your support more than ever.
Donate Now

I bet they do.

Hell, if this bunch wants separation, there's planes and ships leaving U.S. soil everyday. just sayin'.
(In my weakness of the moment, I sent 'em a quarter)

[O Really]

I disagree. It is certainly comparable. As you may know, I am a total bigot when it comes to rednecks. I am opposed to their lifestyle, and would be much happier if they would just go away. My views are not particularly rational, not necessarily accurate, and truthfully, my personal experience with rednecks has been limited. But I don't like them and I'm pretty sure they're morally corrupt, what with drinking all the bad beer and all.

But would I really take away or limit their civil rights? No, although if it were up to me they wouldn't be allowed to breed. But it's not up to me. They're fellow citizens, entitled to their rights under the Constitution.

Of course, one chooses to be a redneck and some say homosexuality is not a choice. Either way, just because one citizen doesn't "approve" doesn't mean they can infringe on rights.

[O Really]

What's funny (not humorous) is that many of those who now want the government to help them impose their version of religion on the rest of the citizenry are theological descendants of those who worked very hard to assure the government stayed away. For enlightening and light entertainment, research the views and roles of Baptists (yes, Baptists) in the issue historically.