Gun Legislation

[O Really]

Sure there are crazy/vengeful women (and men) who will happily lie to try to get their ex into trouble with the law. That's just part of the life for family law attorneys and family court judges. But the judge does have to believe the story in support of "immediate danger" and the first injunction is usually a temporary one (no more than 15 days in Florida) and a permanent injunction requires more/better evidence. On the other side of the argument, "I wuz skeered" is frequently used after he's shot her, too, and may not be any more truthful than her original petition.

Damn, if the only kind of lawyer I could be was family law, I'd have to give up the law and get a real job - most any job would be an improvement.

But overall, I think it's a good idea that people involved in enough domestic discord to be lying to the cops and the court about each other are probably better off to not have their guns around in the process.

[JTA]

... The bill ... prevents people served with temporary restraining orders from keeping their guns. Alleged abusers now have 24 hours to sell their weapons to a licensed dealer or turn them over to police.

The new legislation requires a hearing on a full restraining order within seven days. If a permanent order is not granted, gun owners get their firearms back.

"We have a moral obligation to work to prevent needless tragedy and to make this the law," Malloy said in his statement. "Women in abusive relationships are five times more likely to be killed if their abuser has access to a firearm. Between 2000 through 2012, Connecticut averaged 14 intimate partner homicides per year, and firearms were the most commonly used weapons. When an instance of domestic violence rises to the point that a temporary restraining order is needed, we must do everything we can to prevent tragedy."

House Bill 5054, "An Act Protecting Victims of Domestic Violence," changes current law, which states a domestic violence victim must apply for a temporary restraining order and then wait two weeks for a judge to grant a permanent order before an abuser's guns are confiscated....

It's a judgement call. Which harms society more, a falsely accused man being gunless for 6 days or a dead woman?

If it only lasts as long as the temporary restraining order, then that's fine. The way the article was written made it sound like it was permanent, and from what I've read, it sounds like you can get a temporary restraining order on someone for completely unsubstantiated claims.

[O Really]

... and from what I've read, it sounds like you can get a temporary restraining order on someone for completely unsubstantiated claims.

"Unsubstantiated" in the sense that a petition for temporary injunction does not require evidence or testimony at the time. But it is a legal petition, subject to all the potentially bad things that happen to people lying to the court and getting caught. The hearing following the temporary injunction does require testimony/evidence.

Here's a good discussion of how it works... at least in Florida. Other places probably similar. https://www.flsenate.gov/UserContent/Se ... -127ju.pdf

[Vrede too]

If the TRO is made permanent, the guy (usually) would not get his guns back until a court resolves things differently. As O Really says, there are mechanisms for contesting an RO.

I agree with O Really, if things are enough of a mess that an RO is being sought, it's best to immediately remove guns from the equation even if there are different opinions over where the fault lies. It's not like anyone (almost) really needs to be armed.

[JTA]

Yeah I think that makes sense.

[Vrede too]

Tell Congress:

“Lift the ban on federal gun violence research.”

[Vrede too]

June 2 #WearOrange

[O Really]

Sounds like it was started by a Syracuse grad.
But I'll do it.

[Vrede too]

Sounds like it was started by a Syracuse grad. ...

Or Trump University.

[O Really]

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — In a victory for gun control advocates, a federal appeals court said Thursday people do not have a right to carry concealed weapons in public under the 2nd Amendment.

An 11-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said law enforcement officials can require applicants for a concealed weapons permit to show they are in immediate danger or have another good reason for a permit beyond self-defense.

The decision overturned a 2014 ruling by a smaller 9th Circuit panel and came in a lawsuit over the denial of concealed weapons permits by a sheriff in San Diego County.

California generally prohibits people from carrying handguns in public without such a permit. State law requires applicants to show good moral character, have good cause and take a training course.

[Vrede too]

A BILL TO BE ENTITLED
AN ACT TO AMEND THE NORTH CAROLINA CONSTITUTION TO PROTECT A PERSON'S RIGHT TO CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON

Tell politicians in Raleigh to pull HB 1148 from the House calendar:

Yesterday we saw the deadliest shooting in U.S. history. Today the NC House will take up a bill that would dramatically loosen gun safety measures. The first bill on the NC House agenda tonight is, appallingly, a constitutional amendment that would allow almost anyone to carry a concealed weapon without a permit.

This is a disgusting way to respond to more than 50 innocent people being gunned down. I urge you to pull HB 1148 from the agenda and do not consider it for the rest of session.

Part of me would like to see it go to a vote of the people, as constitutional amendments have to, and get crushed, but why take the risk with NC voters?

[O Really]

Not only is it stupid, but no person who currently carries an NC permit should be in favor. Under the reciprocity agreements among states, an NC permit is also good for traveling. Vermont, which has no licensing, not so much. Most states agree to reciprocity with states that have laws that are somewhere in the ballpark of their own. With that law, an NC permit (if indeed one were issued at all) would be as worthless as a Confederate 3-dollar bill outside the state. Concealed permit holders who want to take their firearms across the border should support reasonable permitting laws.

[Vrede too]

4 gun control measures in the Senate yesterday, 2 reasonable and responsible, 2 weak substitutes, all failed. NC's 2 GOP Senators voted against 3 and for one of the weak substitutes. SSDD.

[Seth Milner]

Florida Rape Victim Skirts Waiting Period and Performs Her Own Abortion With An AR-15
by James Schlarmann -- Comedian, writer, founding contributor of The Political Garbage Chute, holder of zero world records or lifetime achievement awards.

LAGO DEL DESESPERACIÓN, FLORIDA — Back in April of this year, 28 year old nurse and Florida resident Jane Sampson was raped while walking home after working a late shift at St. Mary’s Hospital. To her utter shock and dismay, when Jane missed her period in May, she took a pregnancy test and found out she was carrying her rapist’s child. Without any hesitation, she headed to the Planned Parenthood in her city, only to be told that in Florida she had to wait 24-hours to have the pregnancy — the pregnancy only brought about by her rape — terminated.

“I was so angry and sad,” Sampson told our reporter via Skype, “because I had already been horribly violated and traumatized. Then, a month after I was raped I find out I’m pregnant with that scumbag’s seed? I wanted it out of me right then and there. And in America an abortion is my constitutional right; it has been for decades. But not in red-ass Florida.”



So, Sampson says, she did some quick research online and found that not even traveling to one of Florida’s closest neighboring states would let her, as a rape victim, immediately terminate the rape pregnancy. That’s when Sampson says she stumbled upon a fact that she said “completely changed everything.” In Florida, while rape victims have to wait a full day to get an abortion, anyone can buy an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle with absolutely no waiting period whatsoever.

“Once I found out that I had more rights to a firearm than I did to control my own biological bodily functions,” Ms. Sampson told us, “I knew exactly what I had to do. So I went down to Liberty Gun and Ammo and bought myself a Bushmaster AR-15. I was going to end this pregnancy one way or another.”

Given that the AR-15 is a high-powered rifle, Sampson knew it would take some modification to use in her own abortion. Luckily for Jane, Bushmaster has a special line of U-Abort It™ rifle accessories that can be added to the AR-15, allowing it to be used with surgical precision.

“It turns out, my state isn’t the only one that sees zero irony in making weapons of wanton death and destruction easy to get while making a safe and legal, constitutionally protected medical service as hard to have performed as possible,” Jane told us, “and so Bushmaster developed a whole product line for red state women like me who still want to have control over our own reproduction, silly us.”

Once the abortion was complete, Sampson says she had no more use for the gun. Fortunately for her, being a resident in Florida, she could take her AR-15 to any one of the 55 state gun orphanages that Governor Rick Scott had created during his first term. The gun orphanages match up lost, abandoned or surrendered firearms to homes that, according to the official state charter for the orphanages “display good, clean, ammo-hoarding patriotism.”

“There really aren’t that many experiences in life that are worse than being raped,” Sampson said, “except maybe finding out you’re pregnant from the rape. But, luckily for me even though my state doesn’t value my life enough to let me decide to instantly terminate my attacker’s pregnancy he inflicted me with, they gave me an option to take matters into my own hands, I guess.”

A recent article posted on The Daily Beast showed that 6 in 10 women in the United States face mandatory waiting periods to have an abortion, even in the case of rape or incest.

*** Note to Vrede and rstrong: I copied and pasted this article as slowly as I possibly could so that it would not go over your heads before you could grasp the full concept of it's content. You're welcome! ***
Your Pal, Seth

[O Really]

Congratulations, Seth. I'm impressed! Instead of some lame right-wing meme, you found a real news article depicting real issues in the Sunshine state. Among the arguments made for years to support the ease with which one can buy warlike firearms is that they can actually be used for purposes other than just killing as many people as quickly as possible. The "U-abort-it" attachment appears to be just the latest in the efforts to show that anybody can find a use and reason to own a Bushwhacker. ***

There was an attachment available for a while that installed a water container in the magazine slot and shot water out a tube through the barrel. They pulled that off the market, though, due to the number of kids being humiliated and embarrassed when they got shot in the crotch and appeared to have wet their pant.

***The term "bushwhacking" is still in use today to describe ambushes done with the aim of attrition.
Bushwhackers were generally part of the irregular military forces on both sides in the Civil War. While bushwhackers conducted well-organized raids against the military, the most dire of the attacks involved ambushes of individuals or families in rural areas. In areas affected by bushwhacking, the actions were particularly inflammatory since they often amounted to fighting between neighbors, to settle personal accounts. Since the attacks were non-uniformed, the government response was complicated by trying to decide whether they were legitimate military attacks or criminal, terrorist actions

[Seth Milner]

Ha Ha, thanks!

I always thought "bushwhacker" was a term exclusive to the TV show "Bonanza" . . . it ranked right up there with "they're trying to pull one of their Cartwright tricks".

At least you recognize a silly post for what it is, and don't go all bat-shit crazy over it!

[O Really]

Satire isn't necessarily silly, Seth.

Fortunately, the Florida Supreme Court has issues with the waiting period... http://www.cbsnews.com/news/floridas-24 ... suspended/

Instant purchase of warlike weapons with not even fingerprinting is still OK.

[Seth Milner]

Satire isn't necessarily silly, Seth.

No it's not; but it appears to rankle the hell out of our northern fudgesicle friend, and his dancing doo-lolley pal. Such is life.

[rstrong]

Satire isn't necessarily silly, Seth.

No it's not; but it appears to rankle the hell out of our northern fudgesicle friend, and his dancing doo-lolley pal. Such is life.

You're finally showing some real awareness of the world around you. You're beginning to recognize satire for what it is. It's like watching a child graduate grade two. Why would I be rankled?

Of course you continue to believe that more than one person disagreeing with you is a conspiracy, so you're still on the short bus. And your fixation on gay sex - even when talking about gun issues - continues to speak volumes about you.

[Vrede too]

Pity and disdain is not "rankled", it's just our mild entertainment. I get "rankled" by real world bigotry and ammosexuality in practice, but you're clearly real world irrelevant. In fact, your self-delusion generates more pity and disdain.